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Nu-mi sta in obicei sa ma bag in discutiile privind fortele speciale, daramite sa mai si deschid un topic, insa la rugamintea insistenta a lui SAS fac o exceptie de aceasta data.Si cum toata lumea foloseste wikipedia, extrag de acolo citeva elemente...The Special Air Service (SAS) is a special forces regiment within the British Army which has served as a model for the special forces of other countries.The SAS forms a significant section of United Kingdom Special Forces alongside the Special Boat Service (SBS), Special Reconnaissance Regiment (SRR), and the Special Forces Support Group (SFSG). The SAS gained fame and recognition world wide after the Iranian Embassy Storming (or Operation Nimrod) in 1980 which was one of the first of its kind and was broadcast live all over the globe.The Special Air Service is divided into two distinct parts: the 22 Regiment Special Air Service, the regular regiment of the SAS, which is the unit associated with most well-known SAS operations; and two Territorial Army units: the 21 Regiment Special Air Service and 23 Regiment Special Air Service.HistoryThe SAS was a unit of the British Army during World War II formed in 1941 by David Stirling as a commando force operating behind enemy lines during the war in North Africa and Europe. It was officially disbanded on November 30, 1946. In 1947 the Artists Rifles regiment was remodelled as the nucleus of the reformed Special Air Service.FunctionCurrent SAS roles are believed to include:Counter Revolutionary Warfare (CRW) activities in support of UK government Foreign PolicyCounter-terrorism operations inside UK territory in conjunction with police forcesCounter-terrorism operations outside UK territoryTraining soldiers of other nations, and training guerillas in unconventional warfareCapture of subjects of interestIntelligence collection in the battlespaceBattlespace preparation by sabotage and offensive raids in the enemy territory and within key enemy structuresOrganisationThe Special Air Service is a Corps of the British Army under the United Kingdom legal system which authorises the raising of military forces and comprises three battalion-sized units, one Regular and two Territorial Army (TA). Each is styled as a 'regiment' in accordance with British Army practice; 22 Regiment SAS being the Regular unit and 21 Regiment SAS (Artists) and 23 Regiment SAS being the TA units, known together as the Special Air Service (Reserve) or SAS(R).Each Regiment comprises a number of "Sabre" Squadrons with some supporting functions being undertaken within 22 SAS; Headquarters, Planning, and Intelligence Section, Operational Research Section, Counter Revolutionary Warfare Wing, and Training Wing. ('Sabre' Squadrons are so called to distinguish the operational squadrons from administrative or HQ squadrons.)The Squadrons also rotate through the CRW Wing (originally designated "Pagoda") and are relieved every six – nine months. The squadron is split up into two combined troops, "Red" and "Blue", with each troop made up of an assault group and a sniper team. Though the counter-terrorist teams are based at RHQ in Credenhill, a specialist eight-man team is based within the outer London region (4, south London border & 4, north London border/Hertfordshire). This team rapidly responds to any situation in London as required.The three regiments have different roles:21 SAS and 23 SAS - to provide depth to the UKSF group through the provision of Individual and collective augmentation to the regular component of UKSF and standalone elements up to task group (Regimental) level focused on support and influence (S&I) operations to assist conflict stabilisation.22 SAS - Medium and deep battlespace ISTAR and offensive operations, Counter Revolutionary Warfare (CRW), Counter-Terrorism (CT), close protection and defence diplomacy.Each TA Squadron and the Honourable Artillery Company, includes attached regular personnel as Permanent Staff Instructors - a ruling established by the then Brigadier Peter de la Billière, as Director SAS, specifying that promotion within the Regiment for any officer or senior NCO would be predicated on experience with the SAS(R).[citation needed]. In the 1980s and 1990s the SAS provided the Commanding Officer and some directing staff for the NATO International Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol School (ILRRPS)based at Weingarten and then Pfullendorf as well as men for the British Army Jungle Warfare Training School in Brunei.The SAS was formerly garrisoned at Stirling Lines (formerly Bradbury Lines) 52°2′20.85″N 2°43′10.67″W, Hereford which was named after the founder of the regiment, Sir David Stirling. Stirling Lines relocated to the former RAF Hereford station in Credenhill in 1999.Sabre squadron'Sabre' Squadrons in 22 SAS are organised as four specialised Troops, although personnel are broadly skilled in all areas following 'Selection' and 'Continuation' training. Within each troop there is also a HQ element which comprises of officers and support staff. The specialised troop provide a focus for particular skill sets and personnel may move between Troops over the length of a career. 21 and 23 SAS do not so distinguish. Each sabre squadron contains about 60 men and each troop has about 16 "troopers" who are led by a Captain.Air troopAir Troop personnel specialise in airborne insertion from fixed wing and rotary wing aircraft (although all SAS personnel are somewhat trained in this area). Leaving the aircraft at high altitude personnel are capable of delivering personnel and equipment into the deep battlespace far beyond the forward edge of battle area in support of their ISTAR or offensive operations.Personnel are trained in three principal forms of parachute infiltration; Basic static line, High Altitude, Low Opening (HALO) and High Altitude, High Opening (HAHO). HALO insertions involve a long free fall followed by canopy opening at low level, about 2,000 feet (600 m), leaving the operator exposed to detection and fire for the minimum possible period. The aircraft must overfly in the vicinity of the Drop Zone to effect delivery, risking a compromise to the mission should it be detected. HAHO insertions allow the aircraft to deliver the operators from a significantly greater range from the Drop Zone, thus reducing risk of mission compromise. Operators leave the aircraft and immediately deploy a canopy which allows a long glide over great distance. To avoid hypoxia, the parachutists are provided with an oxygen supply to survive the depleted air at high altitude and warm clothing protects from the extreme environmental conditions.Boat troopBoat Troop personnel specialise in water-borne insertion techniques. Personnel are trained in diving using Open and Closed Circuit breathing systems, sub-surface navigation skills, approaching the shore or vessels underway and the delivery of maritime demolition charges. Much of this training is undertaken with the Special Boat Service.One of the main forms of transportation is the Klepper canoe. The first SAS folding boats were designed during the Second World War for use by Commandos, based on existing designs. The German Klepper has been in service since the 1960s. Other transportation methods include the Gemini inflatable, used primarily for sending small groups of soldiers onto a shore undetected, and the fibreglass hulled Rigid Raiders - fast patrol boats which are larger and can carry more personnel or cargo ashore. Entry to the water is also achieved from rotary wing aircraft and by parachute drop. In case of the former, the helicopter hovers around 50 feet (15 m) above the water and personnel simply jump out. Airborne entry to the water carries a significant risk to equipment with weapons and other equipment sealed using a dry bag.Deployment from submarines is also taught. Submarine egress bears a high risk given the effect of pressure at depth (nitrogen narcosis and oxygen toxicity), the cold, and the risks inherent in the use of mechanical breathing aids while underwater.Mobility troopMobility Troop personnel specialise in vehicle insertion techniques, similar to those of the Long Range Desert Group of the Second World War and allows a more sustainable patrol in the medium to deep battlespace but create logistical and force protection challenges.Personnel are required to gain skills in vehicle maintenance across the range of vehicles used by the Regiment, particularly whilst on patrol with limited opportunity for combat support. Vehicles include the Jackal (MWMIK), Land Rovers, Supacat HMT, Honda 350 cc Quad Bike, CRF450X, and the Honda 250 cc motorbike.Mountain troopMountain troops' personnel specialise in the conduct of operations at high altitude and in mountainous terrain, requiring advanced skills in climbing, ice climbing, skiing and cold weather survival. Training is conducted in deserts and mountain ranges around the world. Those members that show particular aptitude are seconded to the German Army where they undertake the 18-month long Alpine Guides course in Bavaria. A number of members from the mountain troops have participated in major military and civilian expeditions to some of the world's highest peaks although this has not been without loss.SecurityAll UK military personnel are bound by the Official Secrets Act and undergo various levels of vetting. Special Forces personnel are required to be cleared to higher levels than many.Following a number of high-profile book releases about the Regiment, candidates for selection are required to sign a non-disclosure agreement, in addition to their duties under the Official Secrets Act. Ex-members of the Regiment who wrote exposés prior to the introduction of the agreement have used pseudonyms, such as Andy McNab and Chris Ryan. Books in the genre include both non-fiction and fictional accounts based on the experiences of the author.The British Government has a standing policy of not discussing the SAS or its operations and makes few official announcements concerning their activities. When reports of military operations are given there is usually no mention of SAS, or other Special Forces, involvement. Since the inception of the British D-Notice system for the British Press during the Second World War any mention of Special Air Service operations has been one of the cautionary or non-disclosure categories of reporting.Medals awarded to personnel are publicised in the normal manner and officially and formally via The London Gazette. However the individual's original parent Corps or Regiment, if they have such, is attributed as a matter of fact which sometimes provides security cover. The circumstances surrounding personnel killed in action are not routinely disseminated. Before 2006 three officers have been recommended for the VC: two during the Second World War and one during the Falklands. Only one has been awarded; to Major Anders Lassen, MC**, killed in Italy in 1945 when he was commanding a squadron of the Special Boat Service. His grave marker bears the badge of the Regiment because the SBS in which he served continued to wear this as their cap badge, and was considered part of the 'SAS family' even though it was a separate regiment, commanded by a Lieutenant Colonel and formed out of the Special Boat Squadron of 1 SAS.
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Mai interesant consider totusi ce parte a antrenamentelor SAS i-a ajutat, ei fiind la baza o unitate de armata ca sa zicem asa, sa poate conlucra cu unitati normale de politie.
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apkah
SAS se pare ca te pricepi la SAS...Mai povesteste-ne si noua din istoria SAS , mai ales ca ai avut onoarea sa cunosti membrii ai acestei unitati....Te-am provocat , frate...:)
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Sa imi spuneti voi doar referitor la ce vreti sa va mai povestesc! Asta, daca tot m-ati provocat!
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Pai ar fi interesant ;-profilul mediu al candidatilor la selectie-testele de selectie-procentul de reusita la stagiu....chestii d-astea.
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-tipuri de antrenament -pregatirea fizica speciala si specifica-bareme
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Referitor la cele spuse/intrebate de ACH..... ei nu au un profl mediu de selectie atata timp cat ei sunt cei care "te invita" sa faci parte in SAS. Culmea e ca aceasta invitatie se adreseaza nu numai celor ce activeaza in sistemul de apararae, generic vorbind. Ei recruteaza din toate domeniile, prin simple invitatii. Un profil mediu ar fi acela al absolvirii unei institurii de invatamant superior, spun asta mai pe intelesul limbajului nostru. Referitor la testele de selectie, aici totul incepe de la prezentarea in unitate si "rapirea " ta de catre 4 luptatori, apoi ducerea ta intr-un loc cidat.....mai exact o camera de 3x3 fara geamuri si doar cu o usa si care ca singur obiect de mobilier are o mini noptiera pe care se afla o veioza. camera este f inalta, de cca 4 metri iar in partea de sus se afla camere video. Aici stai cca 48-72 ore. Apoi esti scos si invitat dupa caz in una sau alta din camerele care se afla in apropiere. In una din camere te anunta ca poti sa te intorci la vechea munca, in cealalta iti explica ca vei continua un stagiu de pregatire de 6 luni, dar ca pe tot parcursul acestui stagiu este posibil sa fi refuzat si trimis inapoi de unde ai pornit! Acesta este primul lor test, apoi, toate perioadele de cate 21 de zile, dupa cum spuneam si intr-un post anterior sunt considerate teste. Ei merg in special pe partea psihologica, pe antrenamentul psihologic, pe subminarea propriului ego si pe implementarea unor sisteme bine puse la punct. Cu alte cuvinte, se merge pe spalarea sistematica a creierului, pe anularea propriilor valori si pe implementarea unora noi. Ca un procent de reusita......cca 10% !
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Înainte de a evalua posibilitatile psihice ale candidatului,cum se face aprecierea capacitatilor fizice ? Oricât ar fi psihicul de puternic,daca fizicul nu are capacitatea de a tine pasul,e imposibil. Sigur,capacitatile existente se dezvolta,dar cum sunt ele evaluate ?
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pt mine nu ai nici un raspuns frate SAS ?
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Istoria SAS1941 – 1945 Free French SAS Memorial in Sennecey-le-Grand, FranceThe SAS was raised by then Lieutenant Archibald David Stirling, (a Supplementary Reserve officer of the Scots Guards) during World War II as 'L' Detachment, SAS Brigade,[1] (so named from August 24, 1941) adding to the pre-existing 'J' and 'K' Detachments of the notional Special Air Service Brigade. Given the acting rank of Captain by the Commander in Chief, Middle East Forces and an initial authorised strength of 68 All Ranks, Stirling's No 1 Special Service Unit was originally created as an all volunteer airborne force to conduct raids and sabotage far behind enemy lines in the desert on the model of a concept worked out by Lieutenant John Steel Lewes. Lewes, an experienced Weapons Training Instructor with the Welsh Guards prior to service with No. 8 Commando, became the Detachment's first chief instructor. 'L' Detachment operated in conjunction with the pre-existing Long Range Desert Group (LRDG) commanded by Lieutenant-Colonel Guy Lenox Prendergast, Royal Tank Regiment (who later became Deputy Commander of the SAS Brigade in North West Europe in 1944)[N]. Stirling (also formerly of No. 3 and 8 Commando) selected recruits by personal interview and recruited from the disbanding Layforce and from officers and men of other units of the British Army stationed in Egypt awaiting posting at the Infantry Base Depot at Geneifa. The name ‘Special Air Service’ was used as a part of a deception operation (Operation Abeam; mounted by the specialist deception organisation 'A' Force) to suggest that Britain had increased its airborne forces capabilities over and above the single 11 SAS Bn then in existence.The unit also adopted the basic rank style of parachutist, abbreviated 'Pct', which continued in use until succeeded by trooper, abbreviated 'Tpr' from 1944. On June 30, 1984, at the opening of the new SAS base at Stirling Lines, Hereford, Sir David Stirling declared in his opening speech, published in his authorised biography:"... I have always felt uneasy in being known as the founder of the Regiment. To ease my conscience I would like it to be recognised that I have five co-founders: Jock Lewes and 'Paddy' Blair Mayne of the original 'L' Detachment, SAS; Georges Bergé, whose unit of the Free French joined the SAS in June 1942; Brian Franks, who re-established 21 SAS Regiment after the SAS had been disbanded at the end of the Second World War; and John Woodhouse who created the modern 22 SAS Regiment during the Malayan campaign by restoring the Regiment to its original philosophy. ..."This reiterated his view expressed years earlier in a 1942 condolence letter to Lewes's father (Lewes was killed during an operation in December, 1941) first published in 1995 in Joy Street: A Wartime Romance in Letters: "'Jock could far more genuinely claim to be the founder of the SAS than I."Their only operation in North Africa inserted by parachute, Operation Squatter, commenced on the moonless night of November 16–17 1941 in a single option mission to secure air superiority for the British 8th Army 24 hours before the commencement of the army main offensive Operation Crusader. Five Bristol Bombay aircraft of No. 216 Squadron, Royal Air Force, carrying 54 All Ranks of the Detachment attempted a clandestine night drop with statichutes on two DZs adjacent to the Axis airfields at Gazala (three aircraft) and Timimi (two aircraft) behind enemy lines in support of General Sir Claude Auchinleck’s offensive. Forecast, but discounted, adverse weather conditions with winds gusting to Force 7-8, wrecked the insertion plan, the men and their equipment and the mission was aborted with the loss of one aircraft, its crew, a GHQ Army observer officer, and SAS casualties of five killed and 28 prisoner of war. Only 21 out of 54 effectives reached the agreed rendezvous point with Easonsmith's Patrol of the LRDG. (Of the dead, Pct David Keith, Scots Guards, was killed at sea as a prisoner of war when the Italian ship he was being transported on to Italy was torpedoed by a British submarine. Of the other prisoners of war, seven were released at the Armistice with Italy in 1943 and two, Pct. James ("Jim") Blakeney [not Joseph. Info confirmed by his sister Joan Holland in 2009 and by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission LINK entry for him, service number 2660354 then of 1 SAS], Coldstream Guards, and Pct Roy David Davies, Welsh Guards, were killed together on April 8, 1945 on Operation Archway.)Stirling subsequently managed to organise another surreptitious assault against the Axis airfields at Agedabia, Sirte and Agheila, this time transported by the LRDG in support of Bencol operations aimed at the capture of Benghazi. They destroyed a large number of enemy aircraft without a single casualty although the claims for aircraft destroyed on the ground do not correlate well with Axis operational records. [N] Fitzroy Maclean, supposedly one of the inspirations for James Bond, describes in his memoir Eastern Approaches the two raids he undertook to Benghazi. Both involved driving with the LRDG from Alexandria or Cairo. The first was with Stirling and Randolph Churchill, son of the prime minister, and, although it had been intended as a raid, became reconnaissance only. The second was a full-scale assault.Later redesignated 1 Special Air Service Regiment, known in abbreviated form as '1 SAS', from the notional date of 21 September, 1941 (When the Detachment was actually on Operation Bigamy.) David Stirling's elder brother 'Bill' or William Joseph Stirling, a Regular Army Reserve officer of the Scots Guards also raised a second regiment, again known, in abbreviated form as '2 SAS', from a detachment of the Small Scale Raiding Force or SSRF also designated for cover reasons as No. 62 Commando.During the desert war, the SAS performed many successful and daring long range insertion missions and destroyed aircraft and fuel depots. Their success contributed towards Adolf Hitler issuing his Kommandobefehl order to execute all captured enemy personnel of the type now commonly known as Special Forces. When the Germans stepped up security, the SAS switched to hit-and-run tactics. They used jeeps, which had been sent over to North Africa, armed with Vickers K machine guns (although this feature was part of the SAS’s modifications of the vehicles) and used tracer ammunition and Lewes bombs to ignite fuel and aircraft.David Stirling — who was by that time sometimes referred to as the “Phantom Major” by German controlled radio, was captured in January 1943 and he spent the rest of the war as a prisoner of war, escaping numerous times before being moved to the supposedly 'escape proof' Colditz Castle. Blair ‘Paddy’ Mayne Royal Ulster Rifles, TA subsequently took command of 1 SAS after an interim period when 1 SAS was commanded by Lt Col Henry J. 'Kid' Cator, MC, Royal Scots Greys. 'Bill' or William Joseph Stirling, Scots Guards (Subsequently William Joseph Stirling of Keir on the death of his father) was succeeded in command of 2 SAS by Brian Morton Franks, Middlesex Yeomanry, TA who subsequently re-raised the SAS in the post-war British Army.The SAS were used in the invasion of Italy. At the toe of Italy, they took the first prisoners of the campaign,[citation needed] before heading deeper into Italy. At one point, four groups were active deep behind enemy lines laying waste to airfields, attacking convoys and derailing trains. Towards the end of the campaign, Italian guerrillas and escaped Russian prisoners were enlisted into an ‘Allied SAS Battalion’[2] , which struck at Kesselring’s main lines of communications. In 1945, Major Roy Farran made one of the most effective raids of the war. His force raided the German Fifth Corps headquarters, burning the buildings to the ground and killing the General and some of his staff.SAS men were inserted into France in 9-man 'sticks' from the Normandy Invasion to help maquisards of the French Resistance. The 4 SAS (French) participated to Operation Dingson and Operation Samwest and was the first allied troop to be dropped for the Invasion of Normandy [3]. In a reversal of their by now customary tactics, SAS often travelled during the day when Allied fighter bombers drove enemy traffic off the roads, and then ambushed enemy troops moving in convoy under the cover of darkness.[citation needed] In Operation Houndsworth, 144 SAS effectives parachuted with jeeps and supplies into Dijon, France. During and after D-Day they continued their raids against fuel depots, communications centres and railways. They did suffer casualties - at one stage the Germans, under the Commando Order, executed 34 SAS soldiers and a US Air Force pilot who were captured while participating in Operation Bulbasket. At the end of the war, an SAS War Crimes Investigation Team, commanded by Major Eric Alistair 'Bill' Barkworth Somerset Light Infantry TA (Subsequently AAC) of 2 SAS traced all the SS and Gestapo personnel responsible for these killings and handed them over to the Allied authorities for trial as war criminals.[N] By that time, the SAS in the UK had been expanded to five battalion sized units, known according to British practice as regiments, of which two were French (known as 3 SAS and 4 SAS) and one Belgian (known as 5 SAS). In the Middle East the other SAS units were the Special Boat Service (Disbanded on August 15, 1945) commanded by Lieutenant Colonel David George Carr Sutherland, Black Watch who was appointed CO of 21 SAS May 10, 1956 - January 1, 1960 (not to be confused with the identically named Special Boat Service operating from the UK, or in the Far East where they were predominantly manned by the Royal Marines, or the Special Balkans Service of the OSS) and the separate and single mission regiment known, for cover and deception purposes, as No 1 Italian Special Air Service Regiment with all volunteer personnel drawn from the Italian Co-Belligerent Nembo and Folgore units. An American Special Air Service Regiment had been mooted by the US Army command element at 18 Army Group HQ but, in the event, was never formed due to American antipathy to the idea.About 2,500 individuals served with the SAS and SBS (SAS) in World War II; from 1944 specially selected volunteers from the Auxiliary Units of the Home Guard were included in this figure as well as a small number of women who crewed the 'DZ cover' ambulances in the UK.1946 - 1979The War Office disbanded the UK based British SAS regiments on the notional date of November 30, 1946. The French and the Belgians were returned to their own authorities; the French on October 1, 1945 and the Belgians on September 21, 1945. The British SAS were re-raised as Territorial Army unit 21 SAS on May 1, 1947. In April 1948, however, the Malayan Races Liberation Army began an insurrection which transformed into the Malayan Emergency. Two years later former Brigadier Mike Calvert, RE now in the rank of Lieutenant-Colonel re-created an SAS type commando unit similar to jungle troops like the Chindits which he had once commanded. Personnel from a specially formed squadron, known as 'K', of 21 SAS were redeployed from the Korean War[citation needed] and sent to Malaya to join Calvert's unit, some of whom were recruited from personnel of the original SAS, other units and Rhodesia. The unit name "Malayan Scouts" was incorporated with the title SAS as SAS (Malayan Scouts).Training new recruits took time. They learned tracking skills from Iban soldiers from Borneo. They began to patrol in teams of 2 or 4 men. Less than sanitary conditions forced them to learn first aid. They also learned local languages and respect for the local customs and culture. Patrol periods in the jungle were progressively extended to three months. Soldiers unsuitable for jungle warfare were RTU'd (Returned to Unit). At that stage some troopers were armed with pump-action shotguns. They also earned the respect of some of the indigenes by helping them. By the end of 1955 there were five SAS squadrons in Malaya. They stayed in mopping up operations until the end of 1958.Many other missions followed. The SAS fought anti-sultan rebels in Jebel Akhdar, Oman in 1958-1959. They fought Indonesian-supported "guerillas" during the Indonesia-Malaysia confrontation in Borneo, Brunei and Sarawak in 1963-1966. They also tried to pacify the situation in Aden in 1964-1967 before the withdrawal of British troops. They fought against another insurrection in Dhofar, Oman in 1970-1977. SAS soldiers were involved, secretly, in the South Asia conflict in the early to mid 1970s.Most of these deployments were deniable and covert. Membership, missions and the whole existence of the SAS became more secret. The SAS's role was expanded to bodyguard (BG) training and Counter-Terrorism (CT) work. They also began to work in civilian clothes on missions unless they could use the uniforms of some other unit as a disguise. The British Secretary of State for Defence still does not discuss the SAS or its operations.1980 - 2001 SAS troopers parachute from a C-130 Hercules to land in the water near HMS Cardiff during the Falklands WarOn 30 April, 1980, six Iranian terrorists took over the Iranian Embassy in Princes Gate, London. After six days of unsuccessful negotiations and one hostage's murder, Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher ordered an assault. At 19:26 on Monday 5 May, the SAS went in. More than thirty effectives entered the building, including some who went in across the now famous balcony broadcast live by the BBC. A diversionary attack was staged and other men went in through the ground floor. One hostage was killed by the terrorists, but within minutes the terrorist threat had been eliminated, with five of the six having been killed and one captured. Of the original 26 hostages, 24 were safe. The operation was hailed as a great success and was to change the way the public viewed the regiment.During the Falklands War of 1982, SAS teams worked alongside the Special Boat Service (SBS) in many operations before the main force landings at San Carlos and after the landings ahead of the Forward Edge of Battle Area (FEBA). These included operations in South Georgia, guiding Harrier strike aircraft attacks on Stanley airport to destroy Argentine helicopters, and the destruction of eleven Pucará attack aircraft on Pebble Island, known as the Raid on Pebble Island. During the war, 22 SAS, under the command of Lieutenant-Colonel Mike Rose, had its own voice satellite communications to the UK which was utilised on one occasion by a press reporter, Max Hastings, given exceptional access, to file a 'scoop': a matter which was subsequently raised in Parliament.Throughout the 1980s, the SAS helped train Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, mostly in the use of land mines, as well as psy-ops.In 1987, Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher ordered an SAS team into the high-security prison at Peterhead, Scotland. A rebellion by inmates had resulted in one of the prison officers being taken captive. The soldiers were armed with staves and entered the building by way of a skylight. After subduing the inmates with what was called a "hard arrest", which was violent but disciplined and in this case caused no injury, the SAS team freed the prison officer and the operation ended. Some time after the incident, the Prison Service relaxed its zero tolerance attitude to drug use in that prison.Some soldiers (officially former members of the Regiment) fought in the Vietnam War training US Combat Tracker Teams 1965-1971 and helped the Mujahideen in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation. There was also official SAS training of Mujahideen in Scotland in the 1980s, with particular emphasis on shooting down Soviet-made helicopters with American-made FIM-92 Stinger, man-portable surface-to-air missiles. Some ex-members have also become mercenaries or private military contractors.During Gulf War 1991, the SAS were deployed deep into Iraqi territory to gather intelligence and track mobile Scud missile launchers. The most famous of these patrols was Bravo Two Zero, popularised by books written under pseudonyms by three patrol members. Discovered by the local Iraqis, the patrol attempted to make the Syrian border on foot, but became separated. Four members of the patrol were captured and three died during action. Only one member, Chris Ryan escaped to Syria. The first two accounts published by patrol members were widely criticised by members of the SAS such as Peter Ratcliffe and Michael Asher.In September 2000, members of 'D' Squadron were tasked with the hostage rescue of six members of the Royal Irish Regiment and one Sierra Leonean Corporal in Sierra Leone. The operation was named Operation Barras. The soldiers had been taken hostage by the West Side Boys, led by Foday Kallay, and were held in the dense jungle in western Sierra Leone. Alongside the SAS, members of the SBS and A Company of 1st Battalion, the Parachute Regiment fought in the battle. Twelve British soldiers were wounded in the operation and one SAS Lance Corporal was killed. The operation was a success and many rebel leaders were captured; not long after, the West Side Boys had been all been defeated.2002 - presentAfter the 11 September 2001 attacks, the SAS were involved in operations in Afghanistan. Operation TRENT employed a proportion of the Regiment in a successful attack on an $85,000,000 opium storage plant in Helmand province, which doubled as an Al-Qaeda local command centre. SAS members also participated in the Battle of Tora Bora with their American counterparts.On January 30, 2005, an RAF Hercules crashed near Baghdad after being shot down by rockets fired by guerillas, killing ten British servicemen. The plane had just dropped off fifty members of 'G' Squadron north of Baghdad for an operation to combat the increased insurgency.On 19 September, 2005, two supposed SAS (now thought to be Special Reconnaissance Regiment) members were arrested in Basra in Iraq. Iraqi police claimed the two were arrested trying to plant bombs dressed in civilian clothing and had shot at police officers. The arrests sparked clashes in which British armoured personnel carriers came under attack from petrol bombs. Later, official Iraqi sources said that British armoured personnel carriers knocked down a wall storming the city's jail and rescuing the soldiers. The British Ministry of Defence initially said that the men's release was negotiated and the armoured personnel carriers were merely trying to collect them. They later, however, claimed that the police had illegally handed the men over to Shi'a militia and it was from these that they had to be rescued.On 23 March 2006 'B' Squadron, 22 SAS assisted in an operation to free British hostage Norman Kember from a town north of Baghdad in Iraq.In October 2008, Major Sebastian Morley, commander of some Territorial Army SAS troops in Afghanistan, resigned over what he described as "gross negligence" on the part of the Ministry of Defence (MoD) that contributed to the deaths of four British troops under his command. Morley stated that the MoD's failure to properly equip his troops with adequate equipment forced them to use lightly armoured Snatch Land Rovers to travel around Afghanistan. In June 2008 a Land Rover transporting Corporal Sarah Bryant and SAS soldiers Corporal Sean Reeve and Lance Corporals Richard Larkin and Paul Stout hit a mine in Helmand province, killing all four.Northern IrelandThe Regiment was deployed to Northern Ireland from the early stages of what became known as 'The Troubles', starting in 1969. The SAS initially operated as an openly uniformed regiment, wearing their distinctive sand-coloured beret with the winged dagger cap badge, later they assumed a more undercover posture and focused on counter-terrorism operations. Initial detail of this deployment have been routinely released to general public scrutiny on January 1, 2007 in files held at the National Archives of the United Kingdom.Over the course of the Troubles the SAS worked closely with the intelligence agencies, the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), Special Branch and are reported to have operated jointly with the Special Boat Service with some personnel serving with 14 Intelligence Company on long term attachment. Personnel are likely to have had access to the military intelligence systems deployed to the province to inform their positioning of covert Observation Posts and ambush operations.The use of a shoot-to-kill policy has created some controversy. For instance, on 10 July 1978, John Boyle, a sixteen-year-old Catholic, was exploring an old graveyard near his family's farm in County Antrim, when he discovered an arms cache. He told his father, who passed on the information to the RUC. The next morning Boyle decided to see if the guns had been removed and was shot dead by two SAS soldiers who had been waiting undercover.The Troubles were classed as an internal United Kingdom matter and employment of the British Army in the Province is Military Aid to the Civil Power, as such British military personnel were not permitted to cross the border with the Republic of Ireland, technically an invasion. Despite this legal obstacle to the conduct of the mission, personnel did pursue suspects into the Republic of Ireland with a number being apprehended by the Garda Síochána, although rarely charged with firearms offences but returned to British authority.[citation needed] On one occasion, in March 1976, Seán MacKenna, an IRA commander, was allegedly abducted from his home in the Republic by the SAS and handed over to a British Army patrol once across the border.[citation needed]In the 1970s the IRA started to attack British Army personnel on the European mainland, in 1989 the Germany|German]] security forces discovered an SAS unit operating in Germany without the permission of the German government.The Regiment are reputed to claim that its reputation resulted in the IRA surrender in the Balcombe Street Siege once the deployment of the SAS had been publicised.Regiment personnel were involved in Operation Flavius in Gibraltar in which three IRA volunteers Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) Volunteers, Seán Savage, Daniel McCann and Mairéad Farrell, were killed.
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World War II OperationsColossus February 1941 first airborne raid, raid on Tragino aqueduct in Italy by 'X' Troop, No. 1 Special Air Service Battalion origin of the term 'SAS' (but not the organisation).Operation Squatter 16/17 November 1941 raid on forward Axis airfields in North AfricaOperation Green RoomOperation Bigamy September 1942, raid on the port of Benghazi Shown as Snowdrop in all publications which follow uncritically the initial editions of William Boyd Kennedy Shaw's book Long Range Desert Group which used this appellation for the first time as War Office security policy would not permit him to use real operational code names on first publication.Operation PalmyraChestnut July 1943 raids supporting Sicily invasion.Narcissus July 1943, capture of lighthouse in Sicily.Begonia/Jonquil October 1943, rescue of POWs in Italy.Candytuft October 1943 raid on railroad targets in Italy.Maple Driftwood 1944, raid of railroad targets in ItalyBaobab January 1944, raid on rail targets serving Anzio, ItalyOperation Titanic IV June 6 1944Nelson Planned June 1944, operation in the Orleans Gap.Samwest 6 June 1944, 4th SAS Battalion dropped in Côtes-du-Nord (Britanny)Operation Grog /Grog 4 SAS in conjunction with Operations Dingson and Samwest June 5 1944Dingson 6 June 1944, 4th SAS Battalion (Free French) dropped to Morbihan (Britanny)Operation Bulbasket 2nd SAS failed operation 6th of June 1944Cooney 8 June 1944, 18 teams of the 4th SAS Battalion (Free French) dropped to Britanny to break communications ways.Houndsworth June 1944Lost 1944Swan 1944Gain 1944 (Originally issued as *Cain but corrupted in transmission and the latter adopted)Defoe July 1944, patrols in Normandy.Barker 1944 (Originally issued as *Barkers as it is named for a famous London department store, but subsequently truncated)Derry 1944Gaff July 1944, attempt to kill or capture Erwin Rommel.Dunhill August 1944, raid in support of the breakout from the Normandy beachhead.Loyton August 1944, operations near the Belfort Gap.Haggard(Part of a series of randomly allocated cryptonyms derived from famous writers)Moses (Part of a series of randomly allocated cryptonyms derived from the Bible)Newton August 1944, attacks on German rear areas.Noah August 1944, attack on retreating Germans in Belgium.Canuck January 1945 operation in Northern Italy.Cold Comfort (subsequently Zombie ) February 1945 failed SAS raid on railroad targets near Verona.Brake(Part of a series of operations named after parts of aircraft)Tombola March 1945, major operation around BolognaArchway March 1945, reconnaissance in support of the crossing of the Rhine.Amherst In the night of 7 April 1945, more than 700 Free French SAS of the 3rd and 4th SAS were dropped in Holland between Hoogeveen and Groningen.Keystone April 1945, operation near Ijsselmeer.Alte operatiuni cunoscuteClaret, June 1964, Indonesia,Series of high risk deniable cross-border patrols into Indonesia.Fire Magic, October 1977, Somalia, Highjack of Lufthansa Flight 181. Supplemented German GSG9 commando operation.Nimrod, April 1980, England, Rescue of hostages in the Iranian embassy siege in London.Folklore Keyhole, 1982, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, Operations on South Georgia Island.Pebble Island, Raid, 14-15 May 1982, Falkland Islands, Attack on Argentinian-held airbase in the Falklands.Flavius, March 1986, Gibraltar, Operation in Gibraltar against the IRA.Granby, January 1991, Iraq, Included the well documented Bravo Two Zero patrol.Barras, September 2000, Sierra Leone, Rescue of 6 captured Royal Irish Rangers in Sierra Leone.Trent, November 2001, Attack on an Al Qaeda opium plant and command centre.Condor, May 2002, Afghanistan Marlborough, July 2005, Iraq
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Ar fi interesant de aflat care era misiunea celor doi militari SAS in Basra.Curios, ei trebuiau sa traga asupra unor ofiteri de politie(siit, cai in Irak [,] cam ce tine de Interne si politie e luat de shiiti)...sa nu uitam ca Basra e un oras infestat cu violenta interetnica...
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Pt Leul Alb! Nu stiu cat ar fi de interesant asta dar in primul rand mai interesant ar fi cred eu sa pornim de la principiile SAS! Daca le intelegem principiile atunci le vom intelege si misiunea in Basra! Haideti mai bine sa pornim de la deviza lor...... WHO DARES WINS! (cine indrazneste castiga)! Cred ca este elocventa in a le arata tuturor ce vor sa faca! Principiul lor de baza este ONE SHOT ONE KILL...... automat ne duce gandul spre o unitate de eliminare....... initial asa a fost vazuta, pe plan international, ulterior, prin actiunile lor ne-au demonstrat ca pot orice ca mai apoi s devina redutabili!
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Si acum propun sa incepeti sa faceti cunostinta macar pe aceasta cale cu cei mai vestiti SAS:Ben Griffin Benjamin Griffin (born 1977) is a former British SAS soldier who refused to return to Iraq and left the Army, citing not only the "illegal" tactics of United States troops and the policies of coalition forces but also that the invasion itself was illegal, being contrary to international law. He expected to be court-martialled, but was instead let go with a glowing testimonial from his commanding officer.He had previously served a three month tour in Baghdad alongside American forces, including Delta force personnel.In an interview for the Sunday Telegraph, he told Defence Correspondent Sean Rayment:The Americans had this catch-all approach to lifting suspects. The tactics were draconian and completely ineffective. The Americans were doing things like chucking farmers into Abu Ghraib or handing them over to the Iraqi authorities, knowing full well they were going to be tortured.The Americans had a well-deserved reputation for being trigger happy. In the three months that I was in Iraq, the soldiers I served with never shot anybody. When you asked the Americans why they killed people, they would say 'we were up against the tough foreign fighters'. I didn't see any foreign fighters in the time I was over there.I can remember coming in off one operation which took place outside Baghdad, where we had detained some civilians who were clearly not insurgents, they were innocent people. I couldn't understand why we had done this, so I said to my troop commander 'would we have behaved in the same way in the Balkans or Northern Ireland?' He shrugged his shoulders and said 'this is Iraq', and I thought 'and that makes it all right?'As far as I was concerned that meant that because these people were a different colour or a different religion, they didn't count as much. You cannot invade a country pretending to promote democracy and behave like that.Commenting in similar vein to another former British SAS soldier, Griffin also gives his account of how the Americans view Iraqis:As far as the Americans were concerned, the Iraqi people were sub-human, untermenschen. You could almost split the Americans into two groups: ones who were complete crusaders, intent on killing Iraqis, and the others who were in Iraq because the Army was going to pay their college fees. They had no understanding or interest in the Arab culture. The Americans would talk to the Iraqis as if they were stupid and these weren't isolated cases, this was from the top down. There might be one or two enlightened officers who understood the situation a bit better, but on the whole that was their general attitude. Their attitude fuelled the insurgency. I think the Iraqis detested them.He is quoted in an article in The Scotsman as saying:"I saw a lot of things in Baghdad that were illegal or just wrong. I knew, so others must have known, that this was not the way to conduct operations if you wanted to win the hearts and minds of the local population. . . and if you can't win the hearts and minds of the people, you can't win the war."For the avoidance of doubt, it needs to be made clear that at no stage did Ben Griffin apply for discharge from the Army as a conscientious objector, and has always stated that he does not regard himself, nor does he wish to be regarded, as a conscientious objector. He is happy to be described as an Iraq War resister.
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Jim Johnson Jim Johnson, 1924-2008THE former SAS colonel Jim Johnson ran Britain's clandestine war against Egyptian forces in Yemen during the mid-1960s, an experience that inspired him to set up KMS, Britain's first postwar private military company. Proud of his Australian blood, he ran a private guerilla army with style and success in a war that indirectly protected British interests in the Gulf and Suez.Henry James Johnson OBE, who has died at 84, was the son of a Sri Lanka tea planter who worked on the Enigma project to crack German codes during World War II. A forebear guarded Napoleon on St Helena. Jim's mother, Dorothy Bird, was of the H. S. Bird & Co provisioners, based in The Rocks, Sydney. She met Paul Johnson on a voyage back to Australia and married him in Colombo, where the couple settled and ran their own tea plantation.Jim Johnson went to Sandhurst and fought with the Welsh Guards to liberate Brussels in World War II.Six years after the allied withdrawal from Suez in 1956, the Yemeni monarchy was overturned in a military coup by Egyptian-trained officers, an event that threatened the British protectorates of Aden and Oman. The British government was divided between those ready to recognise the new Yemeni regime and those favouring a guerilla campaign on behalf of the displaced ruler, Imam al Badr.Egyptian aircraft bombed tribal villages with phosgene poison gas while MI6 dithered. Colonel David Stirling, founder of the Special Air Service, suggested that Johnson could "put something together" to redress the balance of forces. Johnson, then commanding 21 SAS, arranged for volunteers to join his mercenary force, along with former French Foreign Legion men.A cheque for £5000, signed by al Badr's foreign minister, was paid through the bank account of the Hyde Park Hotel, where the SAS Colonel Commandant, Brian Franks, was chairman of the board. Johnson resigned his official military command and took leave from his job as a Lloyd's underwriter.When the British War Minister, John Profumo, resigned because he had lied to the House of Commons about his affair with Christine Keeler, the Foreign Office took fright that any hint of freelance military activity would add to the fuss. But it was too late to stop Johnson's team. As a reconnaissance team, led by Major John Cooper, changed planes in Libya, plastic explosive spilled from one of Cooper's suitcases. He coolly explained that it was marzipan; Libyan officials helped with the repacking.Johnson and his men conducted a three-year resistance campaign, wearing down Egyptian forces sent by President Gamal Abdel Nasser. The Saudi Arabian government funded the Yemeni royalists and dictated overall strategy. The conflict became a war of attrition and stalemate; Egypt lost 10,000 men.The Israelis were grateful for the impact on Egyptian military strength as they planned their pre-emptive 1967 blitzkrieg on Egypt. During his final audience with one of the Saudi royal family, Johnson requested the orderly disposal of the heavy weapons, and for his men to receive an enhanced month's severance pay, warning: "French mercenaries have a habit of blowing up the aircraft of national airlines if they don't get paid properly." The payments were made.In 1975 Johnson and David Walker, a former officer in 22 SAS, set up their firm to operate in the grey area "between the politically acceptable and the officially deniable".Johnson's first wife was Judith Lyttleton, with whom he had a son, Rupert, and daughter, Lottie. They survive him, with his widow, nee Jan Gay, whom he married in 1982.
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John MacAleeseJohn MacAleese (Mac) served in the British Army for 22 years, 15 of which were spent in 22 Special Air Service where he was awarded the Military Medal. Mac was part of the counter-terrorist team that entered the Iranian Embassy from the front balcony, using charges to blow out windows. He is a specialist instructor in demolitions, close protection, weapons and special projects.
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Ati ajuns deja departe cu discutiile. Nimic despre Ulster ?P.S Ce accent are nenea Mac asta
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John Mac Aleese este adorbail asi putea spune si ma pot mandri cu asta! El chiar poate sa iti intre la inima in timp ce poate sa te faca sa lupti cu adevarat!
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Paddy Mayne Lieutenant-Colonel Robert Blair "Paddy" Mayne DSO & 3 Bars (11 January 1915 - 14 December 1955) was a Northern Irish soldier, solicitor, rugby union international, amateur boxer and polar explorer.Early life and sporting achievements"Paddy" Mayne was born in the County Down market town of Newtownards, the second youngest of seven children. The Mayne family were prominent landowners, and owned several retail businesses in the town. He was named Robert Blair after a second cousin, who at the time of his birth was a British Army officer serving in World War I. The family home, Mount Pleasant, is situated on the hills above Newtownards.He attended Regent House Grammar School. It was there that his talent for rugby union became evident, and he played for the school 1st XV and also the local Ards RFC team from the age of 16. While at school he also played cricket and golf, and showed aptitude as a marksman in the rifle club.On leaving school he studied law at Queen's University of Belfast, studying to become a solicitor. While at university he took up boxing, becoming Irish Universities Heavyweight Champion in August 1936. He followed this by reaching the final of the British Universities Heavyweight Championship, but was beaten on points. With a handicap of 8, he won the Scrabo Golf Club President's Cup the next year.Mayne's first full Ireland cap also came in 1937, in a match against Wales. After gaining five more caps for Ireland as a lock forward, Mayne was selected for the 1938 British Lions tour to South Africa. While the Lions lost the first test, a South African newspaper stated Mayne was "outstanding in a pack which gamely and untiringly stood up to the tremendous task". He played in seventeen of the twenty provincial matches and in all three tests. On returning from South Africa he joined Malone RFC in Belfast. In early 1939 he graduated from Queen's and joined George Maclaine & Co in Belfast, having been articled to TCG Mackintosh for the five previous years. Mayne won praise during the three Ireland matches he played in 1939, with one report stating "Mayne, whose quiet almost ruthless efficiency is in direct contrast to O'Loughlin's exuberance, appears on the slow side, but he covers the ground at an extraordinary speed for a man of his build, as many a three quarter and full back have discovered."His legal and sporting careers were cut short by the outbreak of World War II.World War IIIn March 1939, prior to the outbreak of World War II, Mayne had joined the Territorial Army in Newtownards. After training with the Queen's University Officer Training Corps, he received a commission in the 5th Light Anti-Aircraft Battery, Royal Artillery. In April 1940 he transferred to the Royal Ulster Rifles. Following Churchill's call to form a "butcher and bolt" raiding force following Dunkirk, Mayne volunteered for the newly formed 11 (Scottish) Commando. He first saw action in June 1941 as a lieutenant with 11 Commando, successfully leading his men during the Litani River operation in Lebanon against the Vichy French Forces.It was after this particularly brutal and confused action, in which 130 officers and men, around a third of the strike force, were wounded or killed, that Mayne reacted violently against what he believed was the ineptitude of his Commanding Officer, whom he considered inexperienced, arrogant and insincere. Some sources state that Mayne struck him, and was awaiting court-martial and almost certain dismissal.However, his leadership on the raid had attracted the attention of Captain David Stirling who recruited him as one of the founder members of the Special Air Service (SAS). From November 1941 through to the end of 1942, Mayne participated in many night raids deep behind enemy lines in the deserts of Egypt and Libya, where the SAS wrought havoc by destroying hundreds of German and Italian aircraft on the ground.Following Stirling's capture in January 1943, 1st SAS Regiment was reorganised into two separate parts, the Special Raiding Squadron and the Special Boat Section (the forerunner of the Special Boat Service). As a major, Mayne was appointed to command the Special Raiding Squadron and he led the unit with distinction in Italy until the end of 1943. In January 1944 he was promoted to lieutenant colonel and appointed commanding officer of 1st SAS Regiment. He subsequently led the SAS with great distinction through the final campaigns of the war in France, Holland, Belgium, Germany and Norway, often campaigning alongside local resistance fighters including the French Maquis.During the course of the war he became one of the British Army's most highly decorated soldiers and received the Distinguished Service Order with three bars, one of only seven British servicemen to receive that award four times during World War II. Mayne pioneered the use of military Jeeps to conduct surprise hit-and-run raids, particularly on enemy airfields. By the end of the war it was claimed that he had personally destroyed 130 aircraft.In recognition of his leadership and personal disregard for danger while in France, in which he trained and worked closely with the French Resistance, Mayne received the second bar to his DSO. Additionally, the post-war French Government awarded him the Legion d'honneur and the Croix de Guerre, the first foreigner to receive such a dual honour.It has often been questioned why Mayne was not awarded a Victoria Cross, and even King George VI was to express surprise at the omission. The answer almost certainly lies in Mayne's abrasive attitude to some of his superiors, combined with the Army hierarchy's askance view of the unconventional attitudes and tactics of the special forces.In 1945 Mayne was recommended for a VC after single-handedly rescuing a squadron of his troops, trapped by heavy gunfire near the town of Oldenberg in north-west Germany. After the squadron became pinned down and sustained casualties, Mayne rescued the wounded, lifting them one by one into his Jeep before destroying the enemy gunners in a nearby farmhouse. However, although the VC recommendation was signed by Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery, commander of the Allied 21st Army Group, Mayne instead received a fourth DSO.Major General Sir Robert Laycock, Post War Chief of Combined Operations, wrote :“ I feel I must drop you a line just to tell you how very deeply I appreciate the great honour of being able to address, as my friend, an officer who has succeeded in accomplishing the practically unprecedented task of collecting no less than four DSO's. (I am informed that there is another such superman in the Royal Air Force.) You deserve all the more, and in my opinion, the appropriate authorities do not really know their job. If they did they would have given you a VC as well. Please do not dream of answering this letter, which brings with it my sincerest admiration and a deep sense of honour in having, at one time, been associated with you. ” An Early Day Motion put before the House of Commons in June 2005 and supported by more than 100 MPs also stated that:“ This House recognises the grave injustice meted out to Lt Col Paddy Mayne, of 1st SAS, who won the Victoria Cross at Oldenburg in North West Germany on 9th April 1945; notes that this was subsequently downgraded, some six months later, to a third bar DSO, that the citation had been clearly altered and that David Stirling, founder of the SAS has confirmed that there was considerable prejudice towards Mayne and that King George VI enquired why the Victoria Cross had `so strangely eluded him'; further notes that on 14th December it will be 50 years since Col Mayne's untimely death, in a car accident, and this will be followed on 29th January 2006 by the 150th anniversary of the signing of the Royal Warrant to institute the Victoria Cross; and therefore calls upon the Government to mark these anniversaries by instructing the appropriate authorities to act without delay to reinstate the Victoria Cross given for exceptional personal courage and leadership of the highest order and to acknowledge that Mayne's actions on that day saved the lives of many men and greatly helped the allied advance on Berlin. ” After the warAfter a period with the British Antarctic Survey in the Falkland Islands, cut short by a crippling back complaint that had begun during his army days, Mayne returned to Newtownards to work first as a solicitor and then as Secretary to the Law Society of Northern Ireland. Suffering severe back pain, which even prevented him from watching his beloved rugby as a spectator, and ill at ease with the mundanity of post-war life among provincial lawyers, Mayne became reserved and isolated, rarely talking about his wartime service.On 13 December 1955, aged 40, he had been drinking and playing poker in a pub not far from his home in Newtownards. He later left, and went on to a friend's house where he drank some more. He drove homewards in his Riley sports car at 4am. The car collided with a lorry parked with no lights in the middle of the road just a short distance from his home. The town of Newtownards came to a standstill and his death was mourned across Northern Ireland.ReputationDuring the 1938 Lions tour it is said that Mayne relaxed by "wrecking hotels and fighting dockers". He was allegedly under arrest for knocking out his Commanding Officer when David Stirling came to recruit him for the SAS however this has later been proved to be false and was recruited whilst actually residing in a hospital in Cairo recovering from Malaria. It is supposed incidents like this, as well as resentment and suspicion by some senior officers in the British Army of the SAS's unorthodox behaviour and unconventional tactics, which are cited as the reasons why his Victoria Cross was downgraded.Many urban legends of his post-war years exist in Belfast and Newtownards. These mostly tell of incidents in which, after drinking for several hours, Mayne would challenge every man in the bar to a fight, which he would invariably win. Other accounts describe him as a courageous leader of his men and a ferocious opponent. Mayne is also described as growing increasingly withdrawn as the war progressed, preferring books to the company of friends. This tendency was said to have become more marked after the death of his father during World War II. Mayne was refused leave to attend the funeral and a apocryphal story has him embarking on a drinking binge and rampage in central Cairo in an effort to find and beat up Richard Dimbleby. In the course of this, Mayne is said to have smashed up a half-dozen restaurants, beat up a squad of Redcaps and a Provost Marshal. This incident has also been proven to be false when David Dimbleby had actually been in London for 9 months prior to the suposed incident. Michael Asher in his history of the early SAS, believed this to be an exaggeration or confabulation of several incidents. Asher also describes Mayne as complex, empathetic, and intelligent, though with a terrible, frightening temper that came out when he drank.Mayne was inclined to remonstrate with colleagues in the armed services who showed little or no understanding of the complex politics of Northern Ireland.LegacyA lifesize bronze statue of Blair Mayne stands in Conway Square, Newtownards, and the western bypass of the town is also named in his honour.In 2003 a temporary British Army base in Kuwait, occupied by the first battalion of the Royal Irish Regiment, was named after him - Camp Blair Mayne. It was there that Lieutenant Colonel Tim Collins, 1Royal Irish Regiment's commanding officer, gave his celebrated address to his troops on the eve of the Gulf War.A film of Blair Mayne's life has long been mooted. Eddie Irvine has become executive producer for the film. Three books have been written about Mayne, the first being Colonel Paddy by Patrick Marrinan (1960). Rogue Warrior of the SAS: the Blair Mayne legend was written by Ray Bradford and Martin Dillon (1989, updated 2003) features a foreword by David Stirling. Paddy Mayne by Hamish Ross (2004) has sought to debunk the numerous myths and legends concerning Mayne's character and exploits, preferring a more circumspect account based on tangible evidence. Ross' book is the only biography endorsed by the Mayne family. Another book, SAS: The History of the Special Raiding Squadron: Paddy's Men by Stewart McClean was published in early 2006.Stirling's Men: the inside history of the SAS in World War Two, by Gavin Mortimer [Cassell, 2004], also features extensive accounts, both of Mayne's exploits and of his character, by many soldiers who served with him in the SAS.
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Sir Archibald David StirlingColonel Sir Archibald David Stirling DSO OBE (15 November 1915 - 4 November 1990) was a Scottish laird, mountaineer, World War II British Army officer, and the founder of the Special Air Service.Life before the warStirling was born at his family's ancestral home, Keir House in the parish of Lecropt in Perthshire (near Stirling). He was the son of Brigadier General Archibald Stirling of Keir and Margaret Fraser, daughter of Simon Fraser, the Lord Lovat (a descendant from King Charles II of England). His cousin was Simon Fraser, 15th Lord Lovat. He was educated at Ampleforth College and Trinity College, Cambridge. A tall and athletic figure (he was 6 ft 6 in [1.98 m] tall), he was training to climb Mount Everest when World War II broke out.World War II and the founding of the SASStirling was commissioned into the Scots Guards from Ampleforth College Contingent Officer Training Corps on 24 July 1937.[2] In June 1940 he volunteered for the new No.8 Commando under Lieutenant-Colonel Robert Laycock which became part of Force Z (later named "Layforce"). After Layforce (and No.8 Commando) were disbanded on 1 August 1941, Stirling remained convinced that due to the mechanised nature of war a small team of highly trained soldiers with the advantage of surprise could exact greater damage to the enemy's ability to fight than an entire platoon.Aware that taking his idea up through the chain of command was unlikely to work, Stirling decided to go straight to the top. On crutches following a parachuting accident he sneaked into Middle East headquarters in Cairo in an effort to see Commander-in-Chief General Claude Auchinleck. Taking cover in an office, Stirling came face to face with Deputy Commander Middle East General Ritchie. Stirling explained his plan to Ritchie and Ritchie convinced Auchinleck to allow Stirling to form a new Special Forces unit. The unit was given the deliberately misleadingly name "L Detachment, Special Air Service Brigade" to reinforce an existing deception of a parachute brigade existing in North Africa.His initial attempts at attacking by parachute landing were disastrous and resulted in a high percentage of his men being killed or wounded. Escaping only with the help of the Long Range Desert Group (LRDG) he decided that approaching by desert under the cover of night would not only be the safest but also the most effective means of approach. As quickly as possible he organised raids on ports using this simple method, often driving through checkposts at night using the language skills of some of his soldiers to bluff the guards. Stirling was captured by the Germans in January 1943. He escaped on four occasions, before being sent to Colditz Castle, where he remained for the rest of the war. After his capture his brother Bill Stirling and Blair 'Paddy' Mayne took command of the SAS.In the fifteen months before Stirling's capture, the SAS had destroyed over 250 aircraft on the ground, dozens of supply dumps, roads, wrecked railway communications, and had put hundreds of enemy vehicles out of action.Mercenary workWorried that Britain was losing its power after the War, Stirling organised deals to sell British weapons and military personnel to other countries, like Saudi Arabia, for various privatised foreign policy operations. Stirling along with other associates formed Watchguard International Ltd, formally with offices in Sloane St (where the Chelsea Hotel now stands) before moving to South Audley Street in Mayfair. Business was chiefly with the Gulf States. He was also linked along with an associate Denys Rowley in a failed attempt to overthrow Gaddafi of Libya in 1970/71. Stirling was the founder of private military company KAS International (aka KAS Enterprises).TelevisionStirling also ran another of his companies, Television International Enterprises, from the same offices as Watchguard International. T.I.E was responsible for bringing the children's program Sesame Street to Britain. Peter Orton, working at T.I.E., developed the Muppet Show and a couple of decades later Thomas the Tank Engine and Bob the Builder.Later lifeStirling was the founder of the Capricorn Africa Society - a society for promoting an Africa free from racial discrimination. Founded in 1949, while Africa was still under colonial rule, it had its high point at the 1956 Salima Conference. However, because of his emphasis on a qualified and highly elitist voting franchise, Africans opposed it. Conversely Caucasian settlers believed it to be too liberal. Consequently the society was ineffective, although surprisingly the South African Communist Party used Stirling's multi-racial elitist model for its 1955 "Congress Alliance" when taking over the African National Congress of South Africa. Stirling resigned as Chairman of the Society in 1959.Stirling was concerned about the political power of trade unions in Britain, so in 1975 he set up the organisation GB75, which he described as 'an organisation of apprehensive patriots' which would help the country in the event of strikes.He was knighted in 1990, and died later that year aged 74.In 2002 the SAS memorial, a statue of Stirling standing on a rock, was opened on the Hill of Row near his family's estate at Park of Keir.The current Laird of the Keir estate is his nephew Archie Stirling, a millionaire businessman and former Scots Guards officer.SASStirling founded the SAS (Special Air Servce). When he founded it he had 5 other co-founders; Lt-Col 'Paddy' Blair Mayne and Jock lewes (both of which came from the original 'L' detachment), Georges Berge (his unit of Free French joined the SAS in January 1942), Brian Franks (who re-established 21 unit of SAS after the SAS had been disbandeed after the end of the Second World War) and John Woodhouse (who created the modern 22 SAS regiment during the Malayan Emergency).OtherStirling House at Welbeck college is named after him.•He is mentioned in a description of a playable character in the game Counter-Strike Source.David Stirling is mentioned in the brief description of the SAS model when choosing the SAS player model in Counter Strike.
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Am avut norocul si onoarea sa cunosc un membru al sectiunii SAS , SBS.Am avut onoarea sa ma antrenez alaturi de el, si sa inot alaturi de el .Pot sa va spun ca daca pe uscat pare un om normal , ce e drept cu calitati fizice de invidiat, in apa m-a facut praf, desi am cateva concursuri de inot castigate, si apa e placerea mea.Din pacate a pastrat discretia asupra modului de pregatire in apa...am ramas siderat de ce putea sa faca sub apa , la liber doar cu slipul pe el......
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apkah wrote ... un membru al sectiunii SAS , SBS. Am oarecum impresia ca Special Boat Service apartine de Royal Navy,nefiind o sectiune a Special Air Service (a fost din '40 pâna în '44). Ambele fac parte din UKSF,si sunt complementare. Ce e drept,de multe ori actioneaza foarte departe de elementul lor,apa.
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Posibil....stiam ca SBS este sectiunea ,,uda,, a SAS.Daca gresesc , corectati-ma..
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nicidecum acceasi barcaca si la noi, si ei se "iubesc" cu foc SAS vs SBS LINK -este un site cu info si nu unul officialWhen considering the SAS and SBS, the question naturally springs to mind : which one is the better unit? A juvenile concern perhaps, but that hasn't stopped ex-members of both units slagging their opposite numbers off in a series of books. In ex-SAS operator, Ken Conner's Ghost Force, the author decries the SBS as an under-funded, unprofessional unit. In two books by ex-SBS men, First into Action by Duncan Falconer and Black Water by Don Camsel, the Special Air Service are portrayed as arrogant, gung-ho cowboys who's attitude leads to several operations in Northern Ireland going awry. This antagonism stems from tight defense budgets and the constant jockeying for a piece of the action - both in terms of funding and operations. Both units also have considerable pride in their own abilities and there's a natural resentment of the other 'special' forces.Commonly stated pro-SAS arguments include:The Special Air Service are an army force and therefore have better experience on dry land. Some would point to the SBS landrover patrol's apparent difficulties in the Iraqi desert during Gulf War 2.SAS draw from a wider cross-section of the armed forces meaning their troops include paratroopers, tank drivers, engineers etc. This diversity of skills make the SAS suitable for a wider range of tasks.The SAS is a larger and better funded organisationWhilst the pro-SBS camp argue: * With the SBS (until recently) drawing its ranks from the Royal Marines, it is suggested that an SBS operator has a greater level of experience of soldiering than many of their SAS counterparts. * The demands of working in the water demands a higher level of fitness and mental toughness than the SAS. * The lower public profile of the SBS allows for more covert operations and it is said that the MOD have problems with the more maverick elements within the SAS. Such arguments are becoming more and more academic as the two units are becoming less and less distinguishable. They are now part of the same organisation (UKSF) and are often sent on joint missions together. The main difference between them remains in their separate specialties in the counter terrorism role. Some speculate that an eventual merger of the SAS & SBS is inevitable.
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Pt ca tot a adus vorba colegu nostru Arcan despre antrenamentul "ud" am sa va dezvalui parte a pregatirii specifice. Pt inceput, la fel ca si in cazul pregatirii pe uscat, luptatorul SAS trece printr-o perioada psihologica de acomodare cu apa si anume mentinerea acestuia in apa pentru o perioada de 72 de ore. Pt primele antrenamente temperatura apei este de cca 3- grade, ulterior temperatura scazand cu cate 5 grade. Aceasta descrestere se face pe parcursul a 21 de zile, cu pauza de cate 12 ore intre sedintele de 72 de ore. Ultima sedinta de stat in apa este la temperatura de -2...-5 grade. Antrenamentul este continuu. In pauza de 12 ore luptatorul doarme 6 ore, dupa care 3 ore face concentrare asistat de un meditator, 1 ora mananca iar 2 ore este lasat sa isi planifice mental"urmatoarea "misiune" de sedere in apa. Pe parcursul unei sedinte de 72 ore, luptatorul se poate hidrata la cerere sau/si poate manca semipreparate specifice, dar nu la un interval mai mic de 12 ore. Dupa parcurgerea acestui antrenament de 21 zile se incep antrenamentele efective de lupta subacvatica, tehnici speciale de innot, tehnici piro subacvatice, tragere subacvatica cu armament specific, tehnici ofensive si defensive de lupta cu cutitul. Totalul antrenamentului "ud" dureaza 63 de zile, pachete de cate 21 zile. S-a constatat de catre psihologii britanici, inca din timpul celui de al doilea razboi mondial ca aceste perioade de pregatire de cate 21 de zile dau randament maxim. Pentru orice alte nelamuriri va stau la dispozitie.
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Sta trei zile neîntrerupt în apa la 2°C ? Cred ca mi-a scapat ceva.P.S Cum naiba mentin apa la -5°C ?
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ca sa fiu carcotas si off-topic iti raspund eu, cu gheata ACH ...si daca mananca timp de 1 ora si o poate face la 12 ore, in conformitate cu greutatea asimilata constat ca se scufunda si nu se mai ridica, legea lu' arhimede pe invers
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Vreau sa intreb si eu, cat de mult se aplica tipul asta de antrenament in conditiile actuale de conflict ???Exact cum imi explica, odata, un prieten care facuse ceva antrenamente cu instructori americani.Nimic din ceea ce practica secret service-ul in USA, nu se aplica in Irak-ul anilor 2003-2004...Exista tendinta de a copia de la aliati fara discernamant. Poate ca si aliatii au nevoie sa invete de la noi...Lumea este in continua miscare si transformare, deci si metodele trebuiesc adaptate permanent, altfel, ne transformam in robotei usor de inlocuit cand esti scos din functiune (adica mort prin TO). Doar avem de unde lua prospatura, nu...?
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Am tot respectul pentru toate fortele din lume,începând cu S.A.S,trecând pe la C.P.I.S si terminând cu unitatile de deratizare de la uzinele 23 August,dar un om care sta mai mult de 1 ora în apa la 2°C (fie si plata si cu gheata,chiar si cu lamâie) face ceea ce se numeste hipotermie. E ca si cum te-ai antrena sa prinzi glontu-n zbor cu dintii : mori de moarte totala . Cred ca am înteles eu anapoda,altfel nu-mi explic.
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Referitor la ce a spus RONIN! Aici, in cazul antrenamentului "ud" al SAS nu este vorba de ......."la ce ajuta" in TO! Este strict o dresare a psihicului luptatorului! Cum bine stim cu totii, aparent, foarte putine din antrenamentele facute in timpul pregatirii ne ajuta in actiune, in realitate insa, ele ne ajuta enorm in a putea in primul rand a face fata unei actiuni reale!
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Colegii! Tocmai asta este si scopul antrenamentului! In primul rand este efectul psihologic! In al doilea rand este vorba de antrenarea organismului cu temperaturi din ce in ce mai scazute. Hai sa zicem ca este la fel cu otrava in cazul Rasputin! Obisnuirea organismului cu temperatura! Este adevarat ca am omis sa mentionez ca aceasta prima faza de antrenament se desfasoara in niste bazine de mica adancime, astfel incat luptatorul sa stea cu picioarele pe fundul bazinului si doar cu capul in afara. Iar pt carcotasi, , temperatura scazuta nu este mentinuta cu gheata ca la experimentele lui Coperfield ci cu sistem frigorific!
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Ar fi interesant de vorbit despre ce au facut S.A.S la Belfast,în Ulster,în Irlanda de Nord în general...componenta antiterorista e importanta la ei si în afara de B20 mai sunt si alte chestii interesante. A-propos de Bravo Two Zero : O operatiune asigurata prost. Se-ntâmpla si la case mai mari ... .
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In cadrul luptelor din Irlanda de Nord, trupele SAS au actionat strict ca si "consultanti" daca se poate spune asa! Este adevarat ca acesta este un termen acoperitor al adevaratelor actiuni. Ei participau impreuna cu Politia Ir. la actiuni de capturare si/sau eliminare a combatantilor IRA. Actionau intotdeauna in civil, iar de multe ori, numele lor a fost asimilat cu cel al trupelor de eliminare! Tocmai de aceasta, pe parcursul anilor de razboi, la nivel international, SAS, UK mai exact au fost acuzati chiar si de terorism! Cert este, si sa revenim la ceea ce inseamna si este SAS, pe parcursul actiunilor din Irlanda, mai mult de 32 de luptatori si-au pierdut viata.
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Presupun, si zic asa pt ca efectiv nu cunosc acest aspect, catre SAS, se trimit frecvent aprecieri ale oamenilor cu capacitati fizice deosebite.@Arcan..... istoria nu stiu cat este de interesanta dar ceea ce este cu adevarat interesant este ca pregatirea conceputa la nivelul anului 1944 este si acum folosita, binenteles cu upgrade-urile de rigoare
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ceva despre SCUD alley? Andy McNabb ?
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referitor la baremele si modalitatile de pregatire va recomand sa trageti o privire in cartea lui Chris Terrill ...Commando ....omul a trecut prin testele si evaluarile date cu baietii de la royal marines commando si care spre surprinderea mea erau aceleasi de la 1944 cu cateva upgrade-uri de rigoare .any way dupa simpla si umila mea parere sunt de acord cu faptul ca SAS-ul reprezinta cel mai ridicat niver de serviciu special din toata lumea.o remarca pe care asi vrea sa o aduc este faptul ca SUNT MILITARI TOTUSI...si asi fi de acord cu aceasta ideie si la noi ......si.....dupa catere controale de audit am auzit ca sunt pe rol poate se gandeste careva sa mai scoata din paralelismul si dualitatea serviciilor de interventie si de pe la noi....revenind la topic ....materialele referitoare la modul de pregatire si actiune al baietior astora e bine sa incercam PE CAT POSIBIL ...sa le aplicam si noi in activitatea noastra ....va sault respecuos!!!
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In opinia mea imperfectiunile erau la L85! Totusi, interesant este ca SA80 nu e preferata decat de unii dintre veterani. Restul prefera in cea mai mare parte H&K si C7FT
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Inainte de a va raspunde la unele din intrebari am sa va postez un mic filmulet in care este o prezentare succinta a armamentului uzula. Dupa aceasta va voi face o scurta prezentare a fiecarei arme folosite!
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Am sa incep prin a va prezenta armele usoare, pistoalele folosite:- Browning High Power, 9mm Para, fabricatie 1993, 14 focuri - folosit in general de veterani; este o arma greoaie, greu de folosit in spatii restranse- SIG P228, 9mm Luger (sau 357 Sig sau 40 SW), 12 focuri - este cel mai des folosita; foarte utila in lupta de aproape si in spatii restranse datorita marimii reduse, a greutatii si a puterii de foc- H&K P11 Underwater , 7,62x36, 5 focuri - rar folosita- Walther P99, 9mm, 16 focuri - din ce in ce mai des folosita in ultimii 6 ani. Veteranii prefera totusi Browning sau Sig P228Ca shotgun, SAS foloseste de ani de zile numai Remington 870, varianta MCS (modular combat shotgun), calibru 12 sau 3'' Magnum, cu 5 focuri - folosita la fel cum ati vazut si in filmulet la patrunderi.SI acum despre SMG-urile folosite:- H&K MP5 SD 5, 9x19, 30 focuri (15 optional)- H&K MP5- H&K MP5-PDW- si mai nou Walther P90, 5,7x28mm sau SS190, cu 50 de focuri, apta la distanta de max 200m - este o arma relativ noua ce se vrea implementata. Este o arma usoara dar foarte stabila si echilibrata. veteranii prefera totusi H&KCa arma cu luneta, singura arma folosita este :- A.I. (Accuracy International) L96 A1, 7,62x51mm Nato, Bolt action, 10-12 focuri(doar in Afgh au folosit 50 BMG dar nu este preferata)daca sunteti interesati si de armele de asalt vi le voi prezenta.
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Ce teava folosesc în standard pentru tirul de precizie ?50 BMG folosesc pentru tir anti-material,banuiesc.
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teava de 24 inches
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SAS, si eu sunt curios sa aflu foarte multe. Asta, insa, bineinteles, in limitele permise de ratiunile OPSEC. In ceea ce priveste selectia in SAS, din cate stiu actualul model dateaza nu din anii 40, cand oamenii erau selectati pe baza 'prestatiei' de pe campul de lupta. Creatorul lui este, maiorul Johny Woodhouse, care l-ar fi introdus in 1952. LINK
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Ca arme de asalt, am inteles ca incepand din 2000 au C8SFW, la fel ca si colegii lor din SBS. Cam tot in aceeasi perioada ar fi achizitionat si H&K36K (pentru inceput, cel putin, un numar mai redus), pe care le-ar fi folosit pentru prima data in Afganistan. Si o curiozitate (de fapt doua) legata de selectie. Am citit undeva ca prima faza (initial selection) care dureaza cam 4 saptamani in cazul soldatilor si gradatilor, ar fi de numai 3 saptamani in cazul ofiterilor. Stii ceva despre asta ?Si doi, am vazut ca daca in cazul gradatilor si soldatilor, acceptarea in regiment vine, de obicei dupa minimum 6-8 ani de serviciu in armata, unii ofiteri au fost acceptati dupa un numar de ani egal cu perioada minima ceruta candidatilor pentru SAS(adica 3 ani) sau cel mult 4-5 ani. Sunt superiori ofiterii in pregatire (chiar daca au mai putini ani de serviciu) subofiterilor si gradatilor ? Ma indoiesc. Atunci, aplica cei din 22 SAS derogari in cazul ofiterilor si sunt acestia din urma "examinati" cu mai multa indulgenta ? Stiu ca 22 SAS este ultimul regiment din armata britanica unde tinerii capitani, proaspat numiti in functie in unitate, unde ofiterii mai sunt numiti in deradere 'Ruperts' de subordonati. Si, potrivit aceleiasi surse (sincer, nu mai tin minte care) cel putin in primul an-cel de proba de dupa selectie- din cei 3 in care vor servi in regiment cu functia de comandant de troop, mai mult ii incurca pe membrii experimentati din cadrul trupei. Adevaratul troop leader este de faptul troop sergeant, adjunctul ofiterului. Capitanul doar tace si invata de la acest experimentat subofiter care are, in spate, cel putin 10 ani de serviciu in SAS. Sunt curios (daca se poate vorbi despre aceste lucruri) in ce masura sunt reale.
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Informatiile care vin din mass-media sunt contradictorii si de prea putine ori veridice. In cazul celor doi militari britanici capturati de irakieni la Basra, exista si publicatii unde se afirma ca acestia ar fi apartinut SRR, nu SAS. Cert este faptul ca la salvarea lor au participat cei din SAS.
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In primul rand am sa ii raspund colegului Radu Patrascu! Referitor la armele de asalt! La acest moment, cele mai folosite arme de asalt sunt DIEMACO C7 FT (este echivalentul M16 A2 - design asemenataor, tehnic la fel doar ca nu mai e fabricat de Colt), calibru 5,56 Nato cu 30 de focuri. In paralel cu aceasta este folosit H&K G36K, dupa cum ai si mentionat! Pe langa acestea, mai sunt folosite SA80, fabricat de Enfield, tot calibru 5,56, si DIEMACO C8 Carabina, 5,56mm, 30 de focuri iar ca suport aruncatorul de grenade de 40mm H&K 33. Ca o mentiune, inca din anul 2000 armata britanica foloseste tot o varianta a SA 80, si anume L85!
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Iata o poza postata de un militar din 3rd Infantry Division US Army, unde acesta este aflat intre doi SAS troopers (probabil membri ai Task Force Black, dupa cum o demonstreaza echipamentul american pe care acestia il poarta). Acum sa trecem peste ideea cel putin stranie de a difuza pe Internet imaginea neblurata a doi militari protejati de regulile OPSEC, in fine...Cei doi britanici poarta arma produsa de Diemaco (firma redenumita, recent, Colt Canada) C8SFW, daca nu ma insel. Curios, nu stiam ca SAS folosesc si C7, credeam ca aceasta era arma celor din Pathfinder Platoon. Si, in final, au fost remediate la L85 imperfectiunile constatate la SA80 ?
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Scuze, am uitat sa trec link-ul. Iata-l:LINK
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In ceea ce priveste selectia aspirantilor la un loc in faimosul regiment: Special Air Service (SAS) Selection / How To JoinMany try to get into the Special Air Service regiment. Most of them fail. Out of an average intake of 125 candidates, the grueling selection process will weed out all but 10. There is now a joint selection process, UKSF selection, for both the SAS and SBS.Special Forces Briefing Course (1 Week)Over the week, potential candidates are briefed in detail on Special Forces employment and on the activities during selection. Candidates undertake a map and compass test, a swimming test, a first aid test and a combat fitness test. There are also numerous "DS walkabouts" and runs in the hills. Candidates will be notified of the likelihood of failure on selection and provided with a training programme to prepare for the process.Fitness and navigation (4 weeks)Based at Sennybridge Training Camp in Wales personnel are exposed to the Brecon Beacons and the Elan Valley, Wales where weather conditions are demanding, and unpredictable.Initial tests are common to the rest of the British Armed Forces with the Personal Fitness Test (PFT), a 2.6km run in under 9 minutes 30 seconds preceded by a minimum of 44 pressups and 50 situps. Two minutes is alloted to both the situps and the pressups.The first week of selection consists of runs in the Brecon Beacons, up and down hills with a loaded bergen. These exercises, such as the "Fan Dance", are further complicated by navigation and map reading exercises. Navigation runs in small groups in woodland areas and night tabs follow shortly, steadily increasing both the physical and mental load on the prospective operator. Loads increase over the period, while the individual's personal weapon has to be carried unsupported; candidates are required to keep the rifle in their hands as they climb slopes and jog down again.In the third week individuals navigate from a grid reference to other points on the map. Directing staff at each rendezvous ("RV") require the candidate to indicate location before instructing the next reference point.The final stage of the "hills" phase of selection is known as "Test Week" which consists of six marches on consecutive days with ever increasing bergen weights and distances. The second to last day involves covering 35km with a hand-drawn sketch map rather than a printed map. Test week concludes with " Endurance", a forty mile (65km) march across the Brecon Beacons, completed in less than twenty hours loaded in excess of fifty five pounds plus water, food and rifle.Initial continuation training (4 weeks)This consists of detailed and realistic training in weapon handling, vehicle handling, demolitions and small unit patrol tactics.[edit] Jungle training (6 weeks)Jungle training is usually carried out in the thick rainforest of Borneo with candidates allocated to four man patrols, each patrol supervised by a member of the Directing Staff (DS). Patrols are required to stand-to for one hour at dawn and one hour at dusk and personnel must keep a knife on their person at all times. Damp and rain are persistent, potentially demoralising the candidate, and skin contusions, insect bites, cuts and blisters must be cared for due to the risk of infection.Training includes jungle survival, patrol techniques, navigation, boat handling, camp and observation post techniques, contact drills and medicine.The final test encompasses these skills, where all things that have been learned must be applied correctly in a tactical environment.Survive, Evade, Resist, Extract (4 weeks)[2]Personnel undertake Survive, Evade, Resist, Extract training. The test stage for this training phase requires the candidates to undergo an evasion exercise, dressed in greatcoats to restrict movement and operating in small groups. A Hunter Force from the Special Forces Support Group provides a capture threat.All personnel are required to undergo a Tactical Questioning stage; should a candidate reach the objective without capture he will still be subjected to this element.Completion of selectionAfter completing selection candidates for the SAS are awarded the sand-coloured beret and petrol blue stable belt of the Regiment.Soldiers revert to the rank of trooper, however, the original rank at entry to selection is held in records as a shadow rank and the Trooper remains a member of their original unit. The first 12 months of service in the Regiment is probationary and a candidate could still be Returned to (their previous) Unit (RTUd) should the need arise. Personnel normally serve at least one 36 month tour with the Regiment and may be RTUd, or choose to RTU, on completion. Personnel who serve for more than two tours with the Regiment are formally transferred to the permanent Cadre and become eligible for promotion as Senior NCOs.Personnel who elect to RTU, or are involuntarily RTUd will regain their previous rank, plus appropriate seniority.Officer candidates are required to hold at least the rank of Lieutenant (Royal Navy), Captain (Army and Royal Marines) or Flight Lieutenant (RAF) and do not revert, they are however required to return to the parent unit on completion of their first three year tour. Officers are permitted to return to the Regiment and may become permanent cadre after a second tour.After completing selection SBS candidates transfer to the SBS headquarters at Royal Marines Poole to undergo further selection.
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Dar hai sa zicem ca aceste marsuri se numesc TABS! In cadrul acestor marsuri trebuie sa porti echipamentul de baza iar in plus trebuie sa ai in rucsac echipamentul de iarna, un sac de dormit, trusa medicala, mancarea formata din 2 chifle, 2 batoane Mars, o punga de chips si nu in ultimul rand o arma, de obicei un Sig P228, folosit doar in situatii speciale!
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Sunt dator cu o erata: cei doi militari SAS in fotografia care apare in link-ul de mai sus au asupra lor nu C8SFW, ci C8CQB, a carei teava este mai scurta (10 inch, in timp ce cealalta are teava de 16,1 inch).
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este vorba de preferintele personale si ca mai la toate trupele profesioniste militarii isi pot alege anumite caracteristici ale armei folosite
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Sincer si sper sa nu imi fie luata in nume de rau remarca, de preferat ar fi postarile in limba romana, pentru a putea ajuta pe cat mai multi sa inteleaga ce este SAS!
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Ok, dar nu prea am gasit. Si, Doamne, ce mancare nesanatoasa consuma la TABS (Mars si chips)!
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Chiar daca sunt off-topic cu remarca......ai fost tare cu comentariul asta!
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Continuand cu TABS-urile..... distantele si greutatea se maresc. In felul asta se dezvolta ceea ce formerii SAS numesc spiritul alert si orientarea. Dupa aceasta faza se introduc TABS_urile de noapte pentru a testa mental (printre primele faze ale testarii mentale) candidatii si a-i obisnui cu standardele SOP de miscare pe timp de noapte si de camuflare pe timp de zi
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Este un fapt cunoscut ca in trupele CT din toata lumea sa determini candidatii sa renunte prin folosirea diferitelor tertipuri directe sau indirecte. Printre cele mai folosite tertipuri este cel al executarii de foc deschis asupra celor care efectueaza marsul! Se observa reactia acestora! Binenteles tirul este executat de profesionisti!
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@Radu Patrascu, imi cer scuze anticipat pentru eventualul deranj. Mai sus ati postat materialul despre selectie si cred ca este unul destul de interesant si care merita, zic eu, a fi citit de toata lumea. Am rugamintea, daca se poate, sa postati materialul si in limba romana pentru cei ce nu stapanesc in totalitate limba engleza. Multumesc, cu respect Darkness !
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In fine, testul "fizic" final este un TABS (mars) de 65 km purtand o greutate a echipamentului + rucsac de 70 kg + arma de asalt! Nu este suficient sa termini testarea! In functie de reactiile pe care le-ai avut pe parcursul TABS-urilor esti evaluat de catre o comisie care iti comunica daca ai trecut sau nu faza aceasta de selectie. Dar......in toata aceasta faza, cheia este increderea candidatilor in a reusi! In general procedura de selectie incepe cu 200 candidati. Majoritatea reunta in primele 2 zile! La sfarsitul testarii raman max 30-40 de candidati!
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OK, voi face acest lucru in zilele urmatoare. Cunoscatorii de limba engleza si care, pe deasupra, stapanensc mai bine terminologia specifica domeniului, sper eu, imi vor scuza inexactitatile si erorile. In ceea ce ma priveste, orice amendament este binevenit.
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Va invit sa accesati urmatorul link pentru a vedea un sniper training al SAS!
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Si cate ceva despre antrenamentul de desert! Dupa cateva filmulete va voi mai povesti cate ceva! Enjoy
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SAS wrote ... Mi-a adus aminte de (tot) o emisiune de televiziune a unora care se jucau de-a legionarii în desert. Oricum,la minutul 4:04 e o pozitie de lupta interesanta .
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Exact ACH !!!!!! Oricum e pacat sa nu il fi postat! Ce e serios bag mai incolo!
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o sa mai treaca mult timp pana o sa scape pe piata imagini reale cu SAS-ul, mai ales la antrenamente...pana atunci ne multumim cu ce avem
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In aceasta seara voi continua cu detalii despre antrenament! Oricum, asa dupa cum veti vedea, si in cazul acestuia se pune mai mult baza pe latura psihologica!
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Si dupa cum spunem cate ceva despre antrenament......daca un candidat reuseste sa treaca de selectia despre care am facut vorbire in topicurile anterioare atunci va intra in faza de antrenament. Dar.....doar cca 50 % vor reusi sa il termine!Una dintre cerinte este aceea ca trebuie sa inveti mult si repede. Detaliile exacte nu le voi putea prezenta dar, in mare:Candidatul trebuie sa fie in forma maxima. Prima faza este formata dintr-un antrenament de baza cu arma principala pe o durata de 4 saptamani. In acest timp trebuie sa ajungi sa stapanesti la perfectie toate armele folosite de SAS (descrise intr0un topic anterior) precum si anumite arme straine pe care de multe ori le vei folosi in misiuni (printre acestea: AK, Galil etc).Urmeaza cursul de auto, de conducere, desfasurat pe o perioada de 2 saptamani. Automobilul este folosit ca mijloc de iesire dintr-o situatie de pericol, protejand un VIP. Aceasta este baza cursului precum si diferite tehnici de conducere pe diferite tipuri de terenuri in varii conditii atmosferice.Urmeaza apoi cursul de "demolare" (demolition), curs in care esti invatat cum se folosesc diferitele tipuri de explozibil, mediile de folosire, fabricarea explozibililor artizanali etc.....cursul se desfasoara tot pe parcursul a 2 saptamani.Urmeaza cursul de 2 saptamani de asigurare urgente medicale. Este un curs tip paramedic, specific asigurarii interventiei si primului ajutor in situatii de lupta, astfel incat sa poti asigra ranitul in orice situatii (plaga impuscata, injunghiere, entorse etc) pana la transportarea lui spre un spital.In cadrul tuturor acestor cursuri se vor face exercitii de patrulare, de reactie sub foc, navigatie gps si miscare pe timp de noapte sub foc, lucrandu-se astfel la construirea spiritului de echipa. Se vor face deasemenea si exercitii tehnice de extragere din ambuscada, scopul fiind alegerea directiei corecte de deplasare a echipei.In paralel se fac si exercitii specifice de supravietuire in diferite medii, tehnici de camuflare, construirea de posturi de observatie etc...Un punct important in pregatire este invatarea candidatului in tehnicile de observatie si in special in tehnica observatiei sub foc. Printre tehnicile de observatie exersate sunt: schimbarile in teren, jocul umbrelor, reflectiile lunetei, ceasului, binoclului.Antrenamentul expus se desfasoara pe perioada a 3 luni si are loc in jungla, in Brunei sau in Belize. Claustrofobia se detecteaza imediat in jungla. La fel si functionarea sistemului imunitar. Se testeaza deasemenea tehnica de patrulare si orientarea. Ca o concluzie, dupa cele 3 luni, din cca 30-40 de candidati raman doar 15-20 care vor ajunge la final sa dea testul de baza!
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Asadar, asa cum am promis zilele trecute, voi posta si traducerea textului aparut mai sus in limba engleza. Acolo unde voi crede de cuviinta, voi face completari referitoare, bineinteles, la subiect. Inca o data imi cer scuze daca nu voi gasi cel mai nimerit echivalent in limba romnana pentru termenii specifici din limba engleza. Nu sunt nici specialist in domeniu si ca atare nu cunosc terminologia consacrata. Sa incepem, dar. Selectia in Special Air Service (SAS)/Cum sa devii membruMulti sunt aceia care incearca sa ajunga in regimentul Special Air Service (aici - n.m.- se face referire la regimentul 22 SAS, care este format din membri ai armatei active, si care indeplinesc misiunile de combatere activa a terorismului, spre deosebire de regimentele 21 si 23 SAS, care apartin Armatei Teritoriale (TA) si, fiind formate din civili voluntari care, periodic, sunt mobilizati, nu au acest rol). Cei mai multi nu reusesc. Dintr-un 'lot' care, in medie, numara 125 de candidati, in urma neinduratorului proces de selectie vor mai ramane doar 10. Incepand din anii 90, procesul de selectie este mixt, (selectia pentru fortele speciale ale Regatului Unit), la care participa atat candidatii pentru SAS cat si cei pentru SBS (Special Boat Service = Serviciul Special Amfibiu, sunt unitatea speciala a Royal Navy, mai precis Royal Marines, puscasii marini britanici). Cursul de prezentare pentru Fortele Speciale (1 saptamana)In cursul acestei saptamani, candidatilor potentiali le sunt prezentate in detaliu informatii despre tipurile de misiuni la care participa Fortele Speciale, precum si despre activitatile din perioada selectiei. Candidatii vor sustine un test de utilizare a compasului si a hartii, o proba de inot, un test de prim ajutor si unul de conditia fizica. Personalul insarcinat cu selectia - Directing Staff (DS) ii va supune mai multor marsuri si curse in pas alergator in zonele de deal (revin pentru a adauga ca desi cartierul general al unitatii se afla la baza aeriana Credenhill, de langa Hereford, comitatul Herefordshire, fazele initiale ale selectiei se desfasoara la Brecon Beacons, langa baza de instructie de la Sennybrdge, in zonele inalte din Tara Galilor). Candidatii sunt avertizati asupra ratei inalte de probabilitate a nereusitei si li se ofera un program de pregatire pentru selectie. Testul de pregatire fizica si navigatie (4 saptamani)Centrul de selectia este la Baza de Instructie de la Sennybridge, in Wales, iar probele de selectie se desfasoara in vaile Brecon Beacons si Ellan, tot in Wales, unde vremea este dificila si schimbatoare. (Dupa calculele mele, selectia, care se organizeaza de doua ori pe an, incepe in ianuarie, respectiv in iulie). Testele initiale sunt cele cerute in materie de pregatire fizica comune tuturor membrilor Fortelor Armate britanice, adica alergarea pe o distanta de 2,6 km in cel mult 9 minute si 30 de secunde, precedata de 44 de flotari si 50 de abdomene. Timpul maxim alocat pentru aceste doua ultime probe de este de 2 minute. Prima saptamana a selectiei consta intr-o serie de deplasari rapide in teren variat prin zona Brecon Beacons, purtand in spate o ranita greu incarcata. Aceste exercitii, numite, ironic, "Fan Dance" au un grad sporit de dificultate si din cauza exercitiilor de navigatie si de citire a hartii. In scurt timp urmeaza marsurile in grupuri mici prin paduri si pe timp de noapte, solicitarile fizice si psihice carora le sunt supusi candidatiii crescand progresiv. Creste treptat si greutatea ranitei pe care trebuie sa o poarte candidatii, in timp ce arma individuala este tinuta in maini fara a avea curea de suspendare. Ei trebuie sa o tina permanent in maini chiar si atunci cand urca sau coboara pante abrupte. In cea de a treia saptamana candidatii se deplaseaza individual de la un punct localizat cu ajutorul coordonatelor pe harta la altul. Instructorii se afla la fiecare punct de intalnire -rendezvous (RV) si acestia ii dau coordonatele urmatorului RV pe are candidatul trebuie sa il localizeze pe harta inainte de a continua marsul. Adaug ca in aceste RV greutatea ranitei candidatului este verificata. Cel care are o greutate mai mica fata de cea ceruta la inceputul zilei este descalificat automat. Faza finala a selectiei initiale o reprezinta "saptamana test" care consta in 6 marsuri consecutive, perioada in care sarcina care trebuie purtata si distanta care trebuie parcursa cresc progresiv. In cea de a doua zi, de exemplu, se parcurge o distanta de 35 de kilometri cu ajutorul unei harti rudimentare desenate manual. "Saptamana test" se incheie cu "marsul de anduranta" pe o distanta de 40 de mile (65 km) prin Brecon Beacons, care trebuie parcursa in mai putin de 20 de ore. Candidatul va purta o ranita grea de peste 50 de livre (22,5 kg, dar greutatea poate ajunge si pana la 70 de livre= aprox. 32 kg) la care se adauga apa, provizii si pusca. Dupa aceasta prima faza, din cei 125 de candidati care s-au prezentat in prima zi, au mai ramas in cursa circa 40. Urmeaza 14 saptamani de "continuare a instructiei".Perioada initiala de continuare a instructiei (4 saptamani)Aceasta consta in instructia realista si detaliata in utlizarea armelor, conducerea vehiculelor, distrugeri (explozibili) si tactiva de patrulare a micilor unitati. Instructia in Jungla (6 saptamani)Se spune ca selectia in SAS nu include testele psihologice, deoarece acest rol il indeplineste jungla. Aceasta etapa a selectiei se desfasoara in junglele ecuatoriale umede din Borneo (fie pe teritoriul micului sultanat Brunei, fie in regiunea malaeziana Sarawak), unde candidatii sunt organizati in patrule de 4 oameni, fiecare patrula fiind supravegheata indeaproape de un membru din DS. Candidatii sunt in permanenta in miscare pana dupa caderea intunericului si se trezesc cu o ora inainte de rasaritul soarelui, si sunt obligati sa aiba in permanenta asupra lor un cutit. Umiditatea excesiva si ploile care cad zilnic au un efect demoralizant asupra candidatului, iar ranile aparute pe piele, zgarieturile, intepaturile insectelor si bataturile trebuie ingrijite cu atentie pentru a se evita infectarea. Instructia presupune deprinderea tehnicilor de supravietuire in jungla, a tehnicilor de patrulare, navigatie terestra si la bordul ambarcatiunilor, instalarea taberei si a punctelor de observare, instructia pentru contact cu inamicul si deprinderea cunostintelor medicale. Testul final presupune verificarea tuturor acestor aptitudini si tehnici, care trebuie aplicate in mod corect intr-o situatie tactica. La sfarsitul acedstei faze, in cursa mai raman doar 20 de candidati. Cursul de Supravietuire, Evaziune, Rezistenta si Evacuare (4 saptamani)Numit, pe scurt SERE. Faza de testare a acestei etape a selectiei presupune angajarea candidatilor intr-un exercitiu de evadare, acestia fiind imbracati mantale din al Doilea Razboi Mondial, care le ingreuneaza deplasarea, si operand in grupuri mici. O Forta de Urmarire formata din membri ai Grupului de Sprijin al Fortelor Speciale* este trimisa pe urmele acestora pentru a-i captura. Fie ca sunt capturati sau nu (nu prea s-a auzit de candidati care sa nu fie capturati de Forta de Urmarire), toti candidatii vor trece prin faza Interogatoriului Tactic. Ei vor fi supusi celor mai diverse si mai stressante probe de presiune pshica si fizica, scopul fiind acela de a testa capacitatea acestora de a rezista in cazul capturarii de catre inamic. Avand in vedere ca SAS efectueaza, in special, misiuni clandestine sau sub acoperire, in spatele liniilor inamice, riscul de a fi capturati este mare. Ei trebuie sa reziste presiunilor celor care i-au capturat pana cand esecul misiunii lor este cunoscut de responsabilii militari britanici, care pot modifica, astfel, planul de actiune. Asadar, ei trebuie sa castige timp pentru a nu compromite o operatiune importanta, in cazul in care sunt prinsi. Au voie, in tot acest timp, sa raspunda la doar 4 intrebari:cele legate de nume, grad, varsta si numar de inrolare. In rest, singurul raspuns este: "Nu pot raspunde la aceasta intrebare". Nu vor spune ABSOLUT NIMIC altceva si nu vor SEMNA niciun act, deoarece acesta poate fi folosit ulterior impotriva lor. Membrii DS stiu sa fie aproape la fel de duri ca potentialii adversari care i-ar putea captura, eventual, pe militarii SAS in misiune. Un exemplu clasic in acest sens il reprezinta operatiunea esuata B20 din Primul Razboi din Golf . LINKCei care au depasit si aceasta faza (in final au mai ramas cel mult 10) primesc bereta de culoare beige si centura ce culoare albastru deschis, care reprezinta insemnele regimentului 22 SAS. Cei care nu sunt calificati ca parasutisti vor efectua cursul de parasutism de 4 saptamani la baza aeriana Brize Norton, din Oxfordshire. Gradatii si subofiterii isi pierd gradul si revin la cel de simplu soldat, iar gradul detinut anterior devine "gradul din umbra", deoarece noul militar SAS ramane membru al regimentului din care provine. Precizez aici ca nimeni nu se poate inscrie pentru selectia in SAS direct de la inrolare, ci toti candidatii trebuie sa fi servit minimum 3 ani in una din cele 3 categorii ale fortelor armate. Primele 12 luni in regiment reprezinta perioada de proba, iar candidatul poate fi trimis oricand inapoi in unitatea de origine daca se dovedeste ca nu face fata situatiei. Membrii SAS sevesc cel putin 36 de luni in regiment, iar apoi pot reveni in regimentul de provenienta. Cei care mai efectueaza un stagiu de 3 ani, pot deveni membri permanenti ai regimentului 22 SAS si pot fi avansati ca subofiteri. Pentru mai multa claritate, iata tabelul cu gradele de subofiter in armata terestra britanica:LINKCei care revin in unitatea de origine, vor reprimi gradul detinut initial si pot fi avansati in functie de anii de vechime calcutlati pe perioada petrecuta in 22 SAS. Candidatii ofiteri trebuie sa aiba gradul de capitan sau echivalent (Locotenent in Royal Navy sau Locotenent de Celula in RAF) si nu isi pierd gradul odata ce devin membri ai 22 SAS. Ei vor comanda o troop (16 oameni), dar fiind incepatori, adevaratul comandant al plutonului este loctiitorul acestora, un sergent cu cel putin 10 ani de vechime in SAS. Dupa incheierea turului de 3 ani, ofiterul este nevoit sa se intoarca in unitatea de origine. Poate fi chemat pentru un al doilea tur dupa ce va fi fost avansat la gradul de maior, cand va comanda unul dintre cele 4 escadroane SAS (A, B, D sau G)cu un efectiv de +60 de oameni. Abia in acest stadiu ofiterul are sansa de a deveni cadru permanent al regimentului, el putand indeplini o functie de stat major in 22 SAS (loctiitorul comandantului, ofiter de operatii). Ajuns locotenent colonel, el este numit in fruntea 22 SAS/21 SAS/23 SAS. Desi clasate ca unitate de infanterie, care au structura pluton-companie-batalion, 21, 22 si 23 SAS au structura organizatorica proprie unitatilor de cavalerie/blindate: trupa-escadron-regiment. Dupa incheierea selectiei, cei care au optat pentru SBS se transfera la baza Royal Marines de la Poole, in Dorset, unde continua instruirea specifica. Nici pentru noii membri SAS instruirea nu se incheie aici. Formarea de baza continua pe parcursul anului de proba, cu instructia contraterorista, explozivi, medicina, comunicatii, limbi straine, coborare in rapel, parasutare de la mare inaltime, alpinism, schi, scufundari, conducerea vehiculelor, observare si recunoastere, lupta corp la corp, protectie VIP, ghidarea focului aerian de la sol, contrainsurgenta, etc. De fapt, instruirea nu inceteaza niciodata. Fiecare dintre cele 4 escadroane (acum cativa ani se zvonea prin presa din Regatul Unit ca se va crea un al 5-lea escadron) asuma, prin rotatie, pentru o perioada de 4-6 luni, functia de unitate de lupta contra terorismului, rol care i-a revenit 22 SAS de la inceputul anilor 70.
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In momentul in care esti prins (capturat) de catre vanator ti se pune imediat un sac in cap care iti este prins in jurul gatului cu sfoara. Esti aruncat intr-o camioneta si transportat in locul de detentie. iti arunca cu apa rece pe tine si auzi incontinuu un zgomot de fond constant care iti face imposibila adormirea. Pe langa presiunea psihica a gandului la tortura ce va urma dupa capturare vei indura de frig, de foame si in special de orbire! (sacul pus pe cap nu te lasa sa vezi nimic). candidatii nu au voie sa isi scoata sacul din cap........esti descalificat imediat!Dupa cateva ore in care stai in frig va incepe procesul efectiv de interogare, proces care consta intr-un joc pervers "de-a fobiile"! (practic iti sunt testate fobiile la care daca ai fi supus ai putea ceda)!Unul dintre teste: candidatul este pus intr-un canal (butoi)! I se pune capac metalic dupa care se da cu lantul in el! Alt test: te leaga de liniile de cale ferata cu catuse. In fata ta este un macaz de cale ferata (o jonctiune a liniilor)! Cei ce scapa sunt cei care pun catusele sa fie taiate pe cealalta sina! Alt test: esti legat si pus langa un drum iar masinile trec in viteza pe laga tine.....la cca 5-7 cm de fata ta! Alt test: in camera alaturata se aude ca este batut cineva care dupa multe gemete si ignituri incepe sa vomite.de cee mai multe ori, multi dintre candidati cedeaza nervos in urma acestor testari......ei sunt respinsi!Ultima faza a testarii consta dintr-un interogatoriu! Iar aici....va dau eu raspunsul! Trebuie sa raspunzi cu : "Nu pot sa va raspund la aceasta intrebare Domnule!". Dupa ce vei raspunde asa te vor scoate din camera! Apoi te baga iar inapoi! Tu te astepti sa inceapa iar dar.......surpriza......in fata ta este intreaga comisie de examinare...... in fata ta este mancare si bautura si ti se spune: "pt tine razboiul s-a terminat!". Apoi....... astepti inca cca 3 ore intr-o sala de asteptare raspunsul la test! Nu ai de unde sa sti pana cand nu vei primi acceptul comisiei!
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Fosti comandanti 22 SAS: LIEUTENANT-COLONEL RICHARD WILLIAMS (2006-2007 ?)SAS chief criticised for joining action quitsMichael Evans, Defence EditorThe head of the SAS has resigned from the elite army regiment “for personal reasons”, defence sources said last night.The commanding officer of 22 Special Air Service Regiment, who cannot be named for his own security, has been involved in covert operations in Iraq and Afghanistan where he gained a reputation for leading from the front.However, this has drawn criticism from the army hierarchy, which believes that commanding officers, whether they are in the SAS or in conventional regiments, need to be less involved in frontline combat and more concerned with the “big picture”, sending their men out to do the fighting, according to a report in The Sun.The commanding officer of the SAS — a lieutenant-colonel in his early forties — has served in the Army for more than 20 years and is planning to end his military career when he hands over the special forces role to his successor. The head of the SAS normally stays in the job for about three years and he will have completed his full appointment period by the time he leaves.Defence sources were anxious to emphasise that the commanding officer was leaving the SAS for “personal reasons”, but acknowledged that the reports of his style of leadership were not far off the mark. The regiment’s motto is “Who Dares Wins”.Previous SAS commanders have included General Sir Michael Rose, who fought with the regiment in the 1982 Falklands conflict, and General Sir Peter de la Billière, who led the British force in the Gulf War in 1991 after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.In the past, commanding officers of 22 SAS have often gone on to become Director Special Forces with the rank of brigadier.The present head of the special forces — the SAS and the Special Boat Service, the Royal Marines’ equivalent — served as a senior commander in Iraq.He has had a glittering career in the Army, with tours of duty in the most dangerous areas in Iraq and Afghanistan. The special forces have divided up their roles in these two war zones, with the SAS based mainly in Baghdad and operating with their American counterparts in hunting down al-Qaeda terrorists, and the SBS serving in southern Afghanistan.In recent weeks the SAS has also been searching for the five Britons who were kidnapped in Baghdad.The lieutenant-colonel’s future money-earning prospects in the civilian world will be unrivalled. As head of the most famous regiment in the world he will be able to command a big salary in a security company. When he leaves the Army he is expected to be recruited by one of the top companies who are winning big contracts in Iraq.At least 10,000 people are now operating in Iraq with private security companies, all of which rely on ex-special forces soldiers to perform the dangerous roles that are needed in a country suffering from increasingly sophisticated insurgency groups.However, as a senior officer and with his SAS background, the lieutenant-colonel is likely to be snapped up as a director of one of the private security companies.LINKRichard Williams (42)Non-executive DirectorRichard spent 20 years in the British Army, latterly as the Commanding Officer of the 22 SAS Regiment, during which time he saw service across the Middle East, Latin America and Africa. Richard has an MBA from Cranfield University and a Masters in international security studies from Kings College, London. Richard is the CEO of Chakata Ltd, an investment management company focused on defence and security technologies. Richard joined Gem Diamonds in February 2008.LINKBRIGADIER ED BUTLER (2000-2002 ?)Brigadier Ed Butler: My son told me he didn’t want a part-time dadBrigadier Ed Butler is one of the brightest military stars of his generation.By Con CoughlinPublished: 2:00AM BST 02 Aug 2008Credited with being the architect of the British Army’s strategy for defeating the Taliban in Afghanistan, Brig Butler has spent most of his 25 years as a serving officer on active duty in some of the world’s most dangerous trouble spots, including the Balkans, Iraq, Africa and Northern Ireland.His courage and coolness under fire have earned him a clutch of gallantry awards. He was mentioned in dispatches in Northern Ireland, awarded the Distinguished Service Order for displaying exceptional bravery on highly dangerous operations in Afghanistan in 2001, and was afforded the rare privilege of commanding the SAS. By any test, the Old Etonian grandson of Richard “Rab” Butler was destined for great things, and was even spoken of within the convivial surroundings of the officers’ mess as a future head of the British Army — notwithstanding this government’s apparent distaste for promoting senior officers of genuine calibre. So it came as a complete thunderbolt both to his colleagues and to the outside world when the 46-year-old Brig Butler, who is married with two children aged 14 and 12, announced that he was retiring from the Army and would take no further part in the wars in which he has played such a distinguished role.His decision prompted frenzied speculation that he was leaving because of his frustration at the Government’s failure to provide adequate funding for the Armed Forces after he spoke of the “well-known constraints and restraints” within which his soldiers were required to operate in combat operations.Coming so soon after the resignation of Lt Col Stuart Tootal, who commanded 3 Para in Helmand when Brig Butler was brigade commander, it looked as though the Army was suffering a sudden exodus of its top talent.But Brig Butler’s premature retirement from a glittering career was prompted by rather more domestic concerns, and provides an insight into the pressures senior officers face from their loved ones as they struggle to cope with the demands of Britain’s involvement in continuous, intensive combat operations.“At the end of last year my 14-year-old son developed appendicitis which led to serious complications, and for five days it was touch and go whether he pulled through.” His son survived and made a full recovery, but the experience made Brig Butler think seriously about the impact his career was having on his family life.“It was one of those wake-up calls you get where you think, 'have I got the right balance between work and family?’ I realised then quite how much my work/life balance had got out of kilter.”In 17 years of marriage he had only managed to make “four or five” wedding anniversaries, and shuddered to think how many prize givings, school plays and sports days he had missed while he was otherwise engaged in serving Queen and Country in some of the world’s most hostile environments.As Brig Butler readily admits, the nature of his career as a front line officer commanding some of the country’s elite combat units has meant a large proportion of his time has been spent on operational duty. “I would not change that for anything — I’ve had some fantastic opportunities.”But when his son told his father somewhat plaintively at the end of last year, “I don’t want you to be a part-time dad,” Brig Butler realised he had some hard choices to make between family and career.“In my case it was the multiple cumulative effect of numerous operations over many years. I reached the conclusion that I did not want to leave my family any more for an extended period. Life is too short. There is no point having a family if you are not going to see them.” One factor that concentrated his mind was the Army’s new requirement that senior officers – of the rank of brigadier and above – must serve a 12-month tour of duty, with only two, two-week periods of home leave, when posted overseas on operations, rather than the current six-month rotation. The change has been made to provide more continuity of command in the highly complex combat environments in which Britain’s Armed Forces are currently operating, particularly in Afghanistan, where commanders have to contend with the different requirements of controlling their own forces, dealing with the demands of working within the Nato alliance and liaising with government aid and reconstruction teams.But while Brig Butler acknowledges the change makes good operational and administrative sense, he realised that the prospect of being away from home for an entire year would place strains on his family that they might not be able to withstand. “If I stayed in the Army for another 10 years, I could probably have expected to do another two tours, each lasting 12 months. The family may well have decided they’d had enough and quite rightly push off.”Another important factor in his decision to leave is that he has been offered the exciting opportunity to head a new venture, Corporates for Crisis, a path-finding company that provides exclusive advice to a select group of international companies about community investment and business development in emerging and fragile markets. He will be the company’s managing director, and one of his first tasks will be to look at the possibility of launching an investment venture in Zimbabwe.Critics of the Government’s funding of the Armed Forces would argue that Brig Butler’s premature retirement is a classic example of the overstretch the military is suffering because the forces and equipment available are not sufficient for the demands being made on it. This is particularly acute when Britain is involved in fighting wars on two fronts – in Iraq and Afghanistan – with the military only structured to fight one.Brig Butler is reluctant to become involved in a political discussion, not least because he is still a serving officer until he officially retires in January – he is currently Chief of Joint Operations at the Permanent Joint Headquarters at Northwood, north-west London. But he believes that far more attention needs to be paid to understanding the immense burden that is being placed on officers of all ranks, upon whom “unprecedented” demands are being made by the pace and nature of modern combat operations.“I buried eight of my soldiers when I was a commanding officer, and I have no pride in saying that,” Brig Butler says. “When you have sat down in the front rooms of eight families to console them on their loss it is an exhausting process that you have to get used to. But it is an aspect of command and it is difficult for non-military people to understand the pressures. In terms of the demands being made on the military, we have got to where we were 60 years ago, except we all lead a different kind of life, and there is a lack of understanding of what the military is about.“People do not understand the selflessness and self-sacrifice that takes place on the battlefield and back in barracks, and the effect it has on those who experience it. We have the same feelings and emotions as everyone else. If we are going to maintain this pace over a number of years then we need to look at how we look after the young officers and soldiers who are doing this.”Brig Butler, who commanded British forces in Helmand when they first deployed two years ago, said the operation “was the most challenging mission I have done in my career”. He also believes that success in Afghanistan is crucial to the defence of the realm.“If we do not win against the protagonists of the September 11 attacks then those who are against us, like al-Qaeda and the Taliban, will take great succour from it.” LINKGENERAL SIR MICHAEL ROSE (1979-1982) born Jan. 5, 1940, Quetta, India [now in Pakistan]British military officer who commanded United Nations (UN) peacekeeping forces in Bosnia and Herzegovina (1994–95) during the disintegration of Yugoslavia.After studying at the University of Oxford and at the Sorbonne, Rose was commissioned in 1964 into the Coldstream Guards. He first saw active service in Aden (now part of Yemen), where the transition from colonial rule to independence in 1967 was accompanied by considerable violence. In 1968 Rose joined the fabled Special Air Service (SAS), with whom he conducted a number of undercover operations in Northern Ireland, the Middle East, and East Asia. In 1976 he surfaced as a squadron commander in Northern Ireland. Although some British troops were accused of operating a shoot-to-kill policy, Rose acquired a reputation for insisting that all counterterrorist operations operate strictly within the law and under political control.On April 30, 1980, six Arab terrorists occupied the Iranian embassy in London, seizing 27 hostages. Six days later, after the murder of one hostage and the breakdown of negotiations to secure the release of the rest, Rose led a rescue team of SAS officers. They rappelled into the embassy, freed all the remaining hostages, and killed five terrorists. The assault, shown live on television, greatly enhanced the reputation of the SAS in general and Rose in particular.Two years later Rose played a prominent role in the Falkland Islands War with Argentina. He led the operation that regained Mount Kent, which overlooks the capital, Stanley, and subsequently negotiated the Argentine surrender that ended the conflict. In 1990 he was appointed director of the Army Staff College, with instructions to modernize its courses and shift its emphasis toward small-scale local wars and counterterrorist operations. Rose was made a knight of the The Most Honourable Order of the Bath in December 1993.In January 1994 Rose assumed one of the toughest and most delicate military commands in the world: leading the UN forces in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Within weeks he had won praise from around the world for his ability to combine diplomatic skills with military judgment. He quickly became convinced that he did not have enough troops to guarantee keeping the peace. Partly as a result, he sought to talk, rather than fight, his way out of problems. This provoked criticism from some quarters that he was too slow to launch air strikes against Serbian positions.Rose repeatedly called for an increase in his 10,000-strong force, especially in the 3,700-strong British contingent. He also entered the argument over whether the UN should lift its arms embargo on Bosnia. He said that if the embargo were lifted, his troops would be placed in an impossible position and would have to withdraw. On October 17, the UN announced that Rose would leave Bosnia in January 1995, at the end of his 12-month term.Rose retired from the army in 1997, but he remained in the public eye, opining on military matters on television and visiting British troops deployed abroad. He was very critical of British involvement in the Iraq War, and his 2008 book, Washington’s War: The American War of Independence to the Iraqi Insurgency, drew parallels between the conflict in Iraq and the American Revolution.Peter Kellner Ed.LINKGENERAL SIR PETER DE LA BILLIERE (1972-1974)This article is a bare-bones biography. More information can be found in General Sir Peter de la Billiere's biogrpahy, "Looking for Trouble", ISBN 00002552450, published by Harpercolliuns in 1994.Peter Edgar Delacour was born at 0925 on 29th April 1934, to Surgeon Lieutenant Commander Denis de Labillerie, and his wife Kitty Lawley. At the age of seven, Peter lost his father, who was reported missing after his ship, the cruiser HMS Fiji, was bombed and sunk, by German bombers off of Crete.At the age of eight and a half, Peter started school at St Peter's, from 1942 until 1946, his school-life being interrupted, when a fire destroyed Shobrooke Park House in the early hours of 23rd January 1945, when he was ten, and which led to a quick evacuation. The school reassembled in the summer term, in another large house in the country near Bideford, and returned to Broadstairs in the autumn, the war being finally over. His mother had remarried in 1943 to Major Maurice Bennetts, and a half brother David was born, Peter already having a brother, Micheal.After St Peters, Peter went onto Harrow, despite the hefty fees which, his mother had some difficulty paying. His favorite occupation was shooting, but he still resented the school rules, and devoted much time to bending or breaking them. Sadly, his mother's relationship turned sour while he was at Harrow, and the Maurices left. Back at Harrow, Peter had trouble with music and finally gave up, he also took classes in navigation. Peter left Harrow with two distinctions, and two credits, having scraped through in mathematics. The year after, his mother was taken ill by carbon-monoxide poisoning, from a newly installed boiler and was disabled, which led to family rows, as Aunt Joyce, tried to put her, in an asylum.Peter now tried to join the Merchant Navy, but was rejected, as tests revealed he was colour blind, and his attention became focused on the army early, as his ambition became to join the SAS, and he enlisted with the King's Shropshire Light Infantry, in Shrewsbury. Peter's mother was moved into Graylingwell Hospital, and the family home sold, much of the furniture being packed away into store. Peter Delacour walked through the imposing gates of Copthorne Barracks, on the morning of 2nd January, 1952.Into the ArmyPeter now began to spell his name de la Billiere, a change which was made permanent in 1992. He joined the King's Shropshire Light Infantry as 2277920 Private de la Billiere, and had little hope or expectation of promotion, but was determined to make his way in the army from the bottom. He saw his future was doing 3 years as a private soldier, perhaps making non-commissioned officer and then coming out.The army filled a niche which needed filling, it provided a roof over his head, and he was an army volunteer, not part of the National Service draft, which would have called him up within six months anyway. He filled in, in the orderly room until the next draft arrived, and joined them, having already been in the army for all of two weeks. After six weeks of officer training, a selection board was held, and Peter was chosen for officer training, being sent to the King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry depot at Strenshall near York.Training was tougher there. He received regular pay of 7 shillings, as opposed to National Servicemens' pay of 3 shilling a day, but this was still whittled down by compulsory deductions, amounting to four shillings a week. Peter then went in front of a War Office Selection Board, and passed after two days of initiative and intelligence tests, and had to wait several weeks, doing boring fatigue duties before moving on, to officer cadet training at Eaton Hal, near Chester.Peter was rejected by an officer from the King's Shropshire Light Infantry, but applied to the Durham Light Infantry, and was accepted as a Second Lieutenant, into the regiment. The relationship between Joyce and Peter, continued to be strained, as his mother was well-enough to be released from Graylingwell, but Joyce would not have her live at Old Place with her, and arranged for her to be admitted to another sanatorium, the Holloway at Virginia Water, which she was late arriving at, after absconding for a few days. Peter took the step of guarding his brother David's education, by engaging a solicitor to guard his education, against the attempts of Joyce and his grandmother to move David from St Peters school, and both cut Peter from their will, with the sock of the letter threatening legal proceedings, if they tried and arranged for the Court of Protection to manage his mother's future and finances.His first tour began in Japan, in preparation to act as reinforcements to the regiments in Korea, but he was held back, due to his young age. While at the holding camp, he was given command of a platoon of reinforcements, and then managed to get onto a detachment to the realistic training range at Hura Mura. On 26th April 1953, after much waiting, Peter's name appeared on the list of officers bound for Korea, and he left three days later, on his 19th birthday. In korea, for ease of mouth, Peter became known as Eddie Smith, and he joined the fort line at Hill 355, with B company of the Dorset Light Infantry. During his time in Korea, Peter also occupied, with his men and B Company, Hill 287, and Yong Dong hill. The ceasefire came into effect on 27th July, and after that, Peter took ships to the war cemetary at Seoul, and paid his respects, after a gruelling three months in the lines of Korea.The battalion then took ships to Egypt, with ex-POW's in a troopship. In Egypt, Peter finished his tour, and managed to convince the battalion commander, to allow him to attempt to join the SAS after he finished his tour, and put a year in, training cadets at the DLI depot in Branceperth. He was persuaded by friends, to take the Regular Commission Board at Westbury, and made the transition to Regular officer, but declined a two-year course at Sandhurst. He oversaw the closure of Maryam ammunition dump in Egypt on 26th May 1955, and left with the battalion.Back at the DLI depot, Peter now began as Training Subaltern in charge of the new recruits. He modified the training schedule to include more night-fighting, and live-fire exercises. In October 1956, the DLI released Peter, to try his luck on the SAS selection course.Into the SASThe SAS Selection course was, and still is, incredibly tough, designed to weed out the candidates not suited to the service's special sort of operations. At that time, the SAS was only operational unit in Malaya, and the men were being weeded out for that environment, and it's specific conditions. Peter was accepted, and put his family affairs in order before leaving for Malaya. A further selection course took place in the jungle, over a three-week training period, including jungle navigation, and he became a full-member of the SAS, which was followed, by a course to remedy his non-existent parachuting skills.Once Peter returned from the parachuting course at Changi airfield, he was assigned to B Squadron, in command of 6 Troop SAS, and immediately went on an operation lasting three and a half months, in the jungle. Following this, he was transferred to D Squadron, and despatched to Oman, in command of 18 Troop, and retrained for combat in desert conditions, with new weapons, for night-fighting in large units, instead of day-fighting at close quarters, in the Jungle. They departed for Oman on 18th November.In Oman, the SAS were deployed to assist and augment the Sultan's forces, in restoring order, and participated in the Jebel Akhdar campaign. After this, he returned to Durham, and the knowledge that the SAS would continue, (it had been threatened with disbandment after Malaya, but had proven itself flexible and mobile in Oman). In February 1959, Peter returned to Durham, and October the same year, saw Peter awarded the Military cross, for his work in Oman, where he had led and participated in successful assaults on rebel outposts.He returned to training recruits, this time at Brancepeth Castle, on the DLI, before being offered the administrative position of Adjutant of 21st SAS, the Territorial regiment, and the DLI let him return to the SAS. He served in this post from 1960 to 1962. He bought a yacht in August 1961, in company with Captain Julian Howard, Royal Artillery, from whom, he learned the basics of sailing the yacht.In 1962, Peter was attached to the Federal Regular Army in Aden, on loan with a few other British officers, to help coordinate the operations against the rebelling tribesmen, but, in early 1963, ran a survival course on behalf of Headquarters, Middle East with officers from the Army, Navy and RAF, volunteering or drafted to the course from far and wide, with the assistance of two former SAS sergeants.Later, he took the Staff College Exam and failed, thereby opening his way back to the SAS. In January 1964, Peter spent 10 days on reconnaissance, before flying back to England, and rejoined 22 SAS, at Hereford, after visiting his mother. He was appointed commander of A squadron, and persuaded the Commander-in-Chief in Aden, Lieutenant-General Sir Charles Harington, to bring forward A squadron's scheduled exercise in Aden, for the purpose of deep-penetration into the Radfan mountains. The squadron was ordered to move on 20th April, having to take time to acclimatize, and was at their forward base within 18 hours of arriving. A squadron left in May 1964, for a rapid-turnaround in England, as it was due to relieve D Squadron in Borneo, in the summer of 1964.A short leave followed, during which, he met Bridget Goode, at a party he had been persuaded to go to. He asked her to marry him, shortly thereafter, but got a flea in the ear, his haste was because he was due to leave for Borneo.A Squadron's first tour in Borneo, lasted between June 1964 and October 1966, at the end of which, Peter returned to England. After a constant flow of letters between himself and Bridget, the relationship developed. Peter being urged on by the knowledge he would return to Borneo in May. They were engaged, and the date of the wedding set for 13th february 1965. They bought a house, to provide a firm base for any future family, regardless of Peter's possible postings abroad, and they married on the set date, Aunt Joyce declining to attend.The honeymoon was in Morocco, but spoilt by the fact that Peter had to report his whereabouts to the British Consulate in case of emergency. In May, Peter returned to Borneo, leaving his wife, lonely and pregnant, with other army wives nearby for freinds, but, it was helped, by Peter's frankness in his letters to his wife.The second Borneo tour of A Squadron ended in October 1965, and Peter was awarded a Bar to his Military Cross, one of many awards to A squadron. They returned to England, Peter's and Bridget's child was due in the New year, and their daughter Nicola, was born on 2nd January 1966. Peter's tour with the SAS was almost up, and he was persuaded to go through Staff College, by Mike Wingate Gray, and Bridget. He was awarded a place and was exempted from the exams, due to being on operations, after Mike had argued for him, and been backed, by Major General Monkey Blacker. He took a three-month course at the Royal College of Military Science at Shrivenham, in Wiltshire. The course was badly executed, and far too academic for officers with no scientific bent or training, but the family continued to live in their cottage, with Peter commuting back and forth.Staff College was a different matter, the family moving to Camberley, having let the cottage to a couple of doctors, and the course began in September 1966. The course was first class, but tough, and Peter now had to pay for earlier academic idleness, and learned a great deal about administration, and engaged in tactical exercises without troops. Bridget became pregnant again at the end of 1966, but threatened to miscarry, and had to have six-weeks of complete bed-rest. Peter's mother had by now improved enough to stay with the couple, and helped out, as Nicola went to stay with Bridget's mother. After her six-weeks bedrest, Bridget began moving around again, and in the early horus of 18th September 1967 gave birth to Phillida.A medical exam now revealed, that Peter had suffered some loss-of-hearing, from firing the SLR, and it threatened to end his career, but, he appealed, on the grounds that an officer did not need to have as acute hearing, as a junior officer, and that the time and money invested in his training would be wasted, and he was accepted, on the grounds he take a special test every three years, but, somehow he managed to be abroad everytime the date came around. He completed Staff College, and got the posting he wanted, G2 Special Forces at Strategic Command, and moved to Salisbury, as his fellow students fanned out across the world.The job was lacking in the pressure of a field command, and gave the family a chance to settle down, and they moved to Harnham, and Peter took up carpentry and bee-keeping. The post of second-in-command 22 SAS, became available as his G2 post ended, and the family returned to the cottage they had fought to keep, through financial worries. Bridget was pregnant again and they extended the cottage. The Third child being born on 15th June 1970, and named Edward.Peter was sent to Oman in the middle of August, to keep an eye on the situation with the Yemeni rebels, and in the four years that followed, the SAS helped to roll back the tide of communism from the Middle East.In January 1972, at the age of 37, Peter de la Billiere took over as Commanding Officer of 22nd SAS. Peter visited Mirbat after the battle, to see the scene of the SAS battle, and to put it in perspective, the casualties had been miraculously light, but it could have been a disaster.In 1973, the family decided to move into a larger house, but Peter was in Dhofar during the move, and trusted Bridget's judgement and despite being firstly appalled at the new house, Peter was persuaded by his wife, and the house was refurbished and repainted.Following the 1972 Munich Olympics massacre, Peter was asked what the SAS could do against such an event in the UK. He dragged out a paper he had asked Captain Andy Massey to write, the previous spring. The Director of Military Operations wanted to know how long it would take to implement. Peter asked the money question, and got a no problem reply, and declared five weeks, with adequate transport. The Government winkled out three early model Range Rovers for the SAS, and they turned out potentially good, after some SAS style modifications. Fitting them with Roll-bars, and beefing up the suspension for heavier loads.The counter-terroist team took shape, under Operation Pagoda. In five weeks, a team was in being, but of course, the SAS were not satisfied, and continued to refine methods, skills, and equipment, which would be tested in the 1980 Iranian Embassy Siege.Peter left the SAS in the hands of Tony Jeapes, after an inquiry over misappropriation of firqat funds, had been resolved, with the money paid back, an officer transferred, and Peter dealt with several others. Peter went on to a tour as instructor, in the Overseas team, dealing with counter-insurgency, at the Staff College. Peter also took up pig-farming, and after some mistakes, started to make enough money, to help renovate the buildings on the few acres of land the family possessed.Peter was then offered a posting to Khartoum to run the British Army Training team there, and the family move there in 1977. Peter spent two years in that city with his family, and included an overland drive from Dover to Kahrtoum, which included driving across the nubian desert, in a land rover they had bought, and arrived in Khartoum to find that the landlord of the house the army rented, had tried to throw the army out, and that the family would have to move. They found a house for rent which was not modern by Sudanese standards, but infested with rats and other vermin.At the end of 1978, Peter returned to England with his family, to take up the post of Director, SAS group. During his tour as Director, Peter de la Billerie managed problems in Northern Ireland, the Iranian Embassy Siege, and the Falklands War. During this period, the immense amount of air travel the Director was required to do, aggravated an old back injury from parachute training in Wales, and Peter had to see a doctor. A laminectomy removed the accretions on Peter's backbone and freed the trapped spinal nerves, and during his convalescence in New Zealand, he was visited by several former SAS men.During his convalesce, which lasted about three weeks, Bridget had acquired a puppy, called Kesty, against Peter's explicit instructions, but, the SAS man was soon won around. Peter followed his tour as Director SAS, with a year at the Royal College of Defence Studies, from Septemeber 1982 to December 1983. This was followed, by the appointment of, Military Commissioner and Commander of British Forces in the Falkland Islands, from the summer of 1984.Here, Peter oversaw the rebuilding and improvement of the Islands' defences, and resided in Britannia House, a large prefabricated building, brought over by the Argentineans, and erected before the war, for an Argentine commander, but it was so bullet-ridden, that the tin roof was never waterproof. He visited the Royal navy ships, RAf airbase, and army depots, throughout the Islands frequently, to improve morale and strengthen inter-service relations and cooperation. The main task of his tour, was to build Mount Pleasant Airport, a true-international airport, to replace Port Stanley, and to house the permanent RAF detachment of Phantoms, and later Tornadoes, and a major road followed, to link Stanley with the new airport. All a prodigious feat, in what was essentially a peat-bog, and requiring an excavation of between 2 and 12 feet of peat, to obtain solid footings for the buildings and runways.Prince Andrew opened the Airport on 12th May 1984. Peter's Falklands tour ended on 19th July, and they returned to England and was appointed GOC Wales, the same area where SAS trained for years, in the rugged mountains. He followed this with a promotion to GOC South-East District, and a knighthood in the New Years honours for 1988. The family moved to Brecon in January, and took up residence in the GCO's official home. During his time here, he organized the Soldier IN Need Fund, and raised £62,000 in twelve months, from his command. In the summer of 1990, Peter had decided to begin preparing to retire. Then, Saddam Hussein decided to invade Iraq.The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, led Peter to apply for, and get, the job of Commander, British Forces Middle East, and he left for Riyadh, on 6th October 1990. In Saudi Arabia, Sir Peter led the deployment and organization of the British armoured forces, and their support network. He also persuaded General Schwarzkopf, to deploy special forces. The land-war, and advance, was tragically hit by a disaster, when a pair of USAF A-10 Warthogs shot up two Warrior IFVs of 4th Armoured Brigade, killing nine men and injuring 11.After the Gulf, Peter was promoted General, and appointed KBE, and became Special Advisor to the minister of Defence, on Middle East Matters. He retired from active service in June 1992.LINK
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Am sa continui cu prezentarea ( sumara) a antrenamentului SAS!A treia faza se numeste "VANATOAREA"!Exercitiul consta din creearea unui stres continuu asupra luptatorului (candidatului)pentru o perioada de (doar) 7 zile! - daca esti prins in prima zi, urmeaza pt tine 6 zile de interogatoriu!Imbracat in haine vechi si stramte (gen bocceluta legata cu sfoara) esti lasat noaptea, avand asupra ta doar o busola si o harta schitata pe o bucata de hartie. NU ai voie sa folosesti drumurile sau cladirile si esti urmarit de un vanator care are la dispozitie toata tehnologia. Scopul este sa rezisti cateva zile.....nimeni nu a rezistat 7 zile! Nici formerii SAS nu se asteaptra sa rezisti mai mult de 3 zile pana cand esti prins! Cei care stau ascunsi sau se folosesc de localnici risca sa piarda cursul si oricum sunt "storsi" mental in momentul in care sunt prinsi! In acest exercitiu se pune amprenta pe realismul situatiei. Dar.....asa dupa cum insasi formerii SAS afirma : "in situatie reala, cel prins a doua zi nu ar rezista nici 5 minute interogatoriului"!
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in filmul de mai sus o sa vedeti mai tot ce a spus SAS despre....SAS , prezentate de veteranii McAlesee si Stone
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SAS, nu cumva vanatoarea si interogatoriul fac parte din "continuation training", adica din selectie, fiind incluse, sub numele de SERE, in ultima etapa ? Din cate stiu, cei care depasesc aceasta faza si interviul cu comandantul regimentului si ceilalti membri din DS, devin membri ai 22 SAS. Abia apoi incepe antrenamentul propriu-zis, cel pe care l-ai descris cu 2 sau 3 pagini mai sus.
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Pt. Radu Patrascu: ordinea este exact cea pe care am dat-o! Este adevarat ca dupa aceasta vanatoare va incepe antrenamentul efectiv, in functie de "grupa" in care esti introdus! practic, asa dupa cum sti, cred, ei merg pe repetativitate!
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Sunt curios in ce ordine se deprind skills-urile din cadrul patrulei (lingvist, genist, transmisionist, medic) si cele de la nivelul trupei (parasutisti, amfibiu, montan, terestru). Oare se fac simultan sau succesiv, si, atunci, in ce ordine ?SAS, in textul tau referitor la perioada de antrenament postselectie, cumulate, toate ciclurile de pregatire, durau mai putin de un an. Oare restul anului de proba/pregatire este ocupat cu formarea acestor deprinderi ?Apoi, am citit ca fiecare operator care este format intr-una din cele 4 specialitati ale patrulei, deprinde o a doua, pentru a suplini, la nevoie, pierderea unui membru al brick-ului de 4 oameni.
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Pentru 'the real thing', uitati cum procedeaza SAS neo-zeelandez (NZSAS)LINKLINKLINKLINKLINK
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LINKLINKLINKLINKLINKDesi intre metodele de pregatire si selectie ale NZSAS, British SAS si Australian SASR exista diferente notabile, toate constituie expresia unui acelasi ethos, ale unei 'filozofii' similare a fortelor speciale, nuantate de la caz la caz de specificul local. Si in cazul NZSAS si al Australian SASR, experienta mai indelungata a 22 SAS a contribuit la formarea acestora. La randul lor, cei din fostele colonii au participat activ la mai toate campaniile in care au fost implicati britanicii.
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Iata fotografile in care apar doi operatori NZSAS implicati, zilele acestea, intr-o lupta in Kabul, impotriva insurgentilor:
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Cel din dreapta, care apare si in prima poza si nu poarta casca, este Willie Apiata, primul militar neo-zeelandez distins cu cea mai inalta decoratie britanica, Victoria Cross. LINKLINKSingurul caporal din armata neo-zeelandeza care are birou propriu si cea mai inalta decoratie, a revenit, modest, la indatoririle sale si iata-l acum luptand in Afganistan .
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Revin si corectez: este vorba de prima Victoria Cross conferita unui militar kiwi dupa al doilea razboi mondial.
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Iertata-mi fie nestiinta,dar ce a faptuit domnul neo-zeelandez pentru a fi devenit vedeta NZSAS ? În afara de faptul ca a primit V.C-ul ?
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Pt Radu Patrascu! Fiecare luptator (sau operator SAS dupa cum il numiti domnia voastra) are doua specializari! Dar.... in practica are 3 sau 4. De obicei a 4-a este cea medicala! Cel putin in ultimii 10 ani cu totii au preferat sa o aleaga pe a 4a. Aceasta este si ratiunea pt care in rucsacul de antrenament trusa medicala completa ocupa un loc semnificativ!
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SAS, am vazut ca termenul 'operator' nu este folosit in terminologia militara britanica atunci cand se face referire la SAS, fiind preferat cuvantul 'trooper'. Este aplicat cu precadere celor din Delta Force si Australian SASR. Sper ca nu te-am deranjat cu ceva...
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Pentru ACH Boribum. Aici este relatata destul de detaliat 'gesta' lui Apiata: LINK
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Radu Patrascu wrote ...Pentru ACH Boribum. Aici este relatata destul de detaliat 'gesta' lui Apiata: LINKMerçi. Victoria Cross pentru ca si-a salvat camaradul. E O.K. Remarc faptul ca neo-zeelandezii sunt mai liberi cu dezvaluirea identitatii celor din SAS-ul lor.Oricum,domnul caporal a umplut,vad,internetul.
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Este adevarat ca autoritatile de la Wellington fac dovada unei generozitati neobisnuite in ceea ce priveste identitatea membrilor NZSAS. In inregistrari apar ofiteri care au comandat recent unitatea sau chiar comandantul actual, apar luptatori. Daca ati urmarit serialul 'NZSAS First Among Equals', cantitatea informatiilor privind selectia si formarea militarilor unitatii este fara precedent. Cei din Australian SASR sunt, de asemenea, destul de deschisi: numele actualului comandant, lt.col. Dan McDaniel (vezi LINK, decorat, ca maior si comandant al escadronului 1, in 2002, cand a participat la lupta de la Shah-i-Kot, din Afganistan (vezi LINK este de oarecare notorietate. Pana si americanii, care pana acum cativa ani nu recunosteau oficial existenta 1st SFOD-D, dau detalii asupra ofiterilor care au comandat recent unitate (vezi LINK. Britanicii sunt cei mai discreti. In afara de Ed Butler si Richard Williams, care au comandat recent 22 SAS (fapt care nu este mentionat, totusi, in nici un document oficial), cele mai recente informatii cu privire la identitatea unui comandant al regimentului sunt legate de de John Holmes (vezi LINK si LINK. Britanicii nu dau detalii niste despre identitatea luptatorilor SAS morti in lupta, spre deosebire de australieni sau americani, de la care mai scapa informatii despre cei care au murit servind in SASR si, respectiv, in 'Special Missions units' (CAG sau DEVGRU).
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Dupa ce sunt acceptati in programul de trainig, viitorii luptatori SAS semneaza un act de confidentialitate referitor la asemenea evenimete! Multi considera in mod eronat ca si ei fac parte dintre cei nedoriti de nimeni care fac lucruri de neiertat pt cei fara recunostinta dar...... acest secret este bun!
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Cateva lucruri legate de selectia si pregatirea celor din SBS, pentru o comparatie cu cei din SAS. Trebuie avut in vedere, repet, faptul ca o parte din selectia candidatilor pentru cele doua unitati formeaza, pana la un moment dat, un trunchi comun: ROYAL MARINE - SPECIAL BOAT SERVICE (SBS).Founded: June 1941Headquarters: Whale Island, Portsmouth. Depot; Hamworthy, Poole.Personnel: 90-100 men.The SBS is a part of Britain's Special Forces Group. It has operated all over the world in its primary amphibious warfare role, as well as performing many other tasks. SBS has variously stood for Special Boat Section and Special Boat Squadron; since 1987 it has stood for SB Service. Before its reorganisation in 1987, the then Special Boat Squadron was about 150 strong, with about 50 reservists. Since then it has been expanded, but to what extent is not exactly clear. According to a Ministry of Defence statement on force structure, there are four squadrons (I Reservist) in the Special Boat Service. M SquadronThe counter-terrorist force, consists of Black, Gold and Purple Troops. Sixteen-man operational troops are used, at least in the traditional swimmer-canoeist role, as they can be split into eight canoe pairs, four four-man patrols or two boat-loads. Inflatable and rigid-inflatable boats are operated by the SBS themselves, as are SDVs. The Rigid Raiders of 539 Assault Squadron RM, as well as the various landing craft used by this and other squadrons, provide further support. Air support would come from RAF Special Forces Flights, using Hercules aircraft and Chinook helicopters, and from the RN's Naval Air Commando squadrons, with Sea King helicopters. Recruits must be Royal Marines Commandos with at least three years service. They will have started off their careers with the 30-week initial stint at the Commando Training Centre or the 15-month Young Officers Course, mostly at the same establishment. Later they may have had further training in signals, heavy weapons, sniping etc. Those wishing to join the SBS must first go through a two-week aptitude test, which consists of the following: Boating Week. Candidates must pass a combat fitness test and pass the SBS swimming test, which demands 600m in 15 minutes, 50m clothed with weapon and belt kit, and 25m underwater. Complete all canoe trials, including a 5km march with Bergen and canoe and 30km canoe paddle. Diving Week. Complete a number of dives, generally show confidence and willingness to dive. Those successful will go on to the joint SAS/SBS selection course Brecon Beacons phase (3 weeks)- land navigation marches with Bergen and weapon, culminating in " long drag". The majority who drop out will do so in this phase. Pre-jungle training (2 weeks)- working in four-man patrols. Jungle Training, Brunei (6 weeks). Officer week/signals training (1 week). Support Weapons Training (1 week). Army Combat Survival Instructor Course (2 weeks)- survival, evasion, resistance and escape is well-known for its harsh 'Resistance to Interrogation training and the last phase where many will be failed ('Binned'). Continuation training takes place mainly at Hereford Demolitions (2 weeks) ,Observation Post Training (1 week),CQB Course (2 weeks), Individual Skills Courses (8 weeks)- during this time men will undergo training as Special Forces medics or signallers, or further demolitions training. Officers attend language training and a Special Forces commander's course, Static Line Parachute Course (3 weeks)- for those who are not qualified paratroopers. SBS students go on to their own 8-week boating and diving course, including underwater navigation and demolition, negotiating surf zones and navigating a 55km course in the Klepper canoe, and infiltration via submarine. Following this Marines are rated as Swimmer Canoeist Class 3, and entitled to wear the badge of this specialist qualification on the left cuff of their blue and green dress uniforms, " SC" over a wreath. This and the parachute wings worn on the upper right sleeve are their only distinctions; they wear the same green beret and capbadge as all Royal Marines, or white cap in blues. RM officers do not wear qualification badges, so they have just the parachute wings. For Marines to be promoted to Corporal they must qualify as SC2 and to Sergeant SC3. These advanced training courses emphasize operational planning and training supervision. Promotion to Sergeant also requires passing the Senior Command Course at the CTC, Lympstone in East Devon. Newly-qualified swimmer-canoeists will then join an operational troop, but of course training never ceases. They may go through further training in combat medicine, communications, counter-terrorist operations, foreign languages, SDV " driving" and many other skills. Exercises are conducted with friendly nations' units, the closest relations being with the SEALs and Dutch SBS. Weapons used include specialist and foreign weapons likely to found on the battlefield or in the hands of a terrorist group and include the silenced Sterling submachine gun, designated the L34A1 and the M16A2 a popular weapon among British special forces and often has the M203 40mm grenade launcher attached. Other weapons include the MP5 series of sub-machine guns, particularly the MP5SD which has now largely taken over the silenced SMG role, while the Browning Hi-Power remains the main pistol. The Royal Marines have a long sniping tradition, the Accuracy International L96A1 being the weapon used today. Support weapons include the 7.62mm GPMG ("Jimpy" or MAG), 66mm Light Antitank Weapon and 51mm mortar, the last even fired from specially modified canoes. Two-man kayak-type canoes are used by the SBS due to their stealth capability, portability and reliability. The latest model known to be in service is the Klepper Aeres Mark 13. Other craft are the Gemini inflatable and Avon Searider rigid-inflatable boats; these are always used with twin engines in case of failure on operations. The SBS started experiments with two-man Swimmer Delivery Vehicles in the late 1960s.Descendants of these prototypes are in service today, along with American-built four/six-man types. The Draeger LAR-V closed- circuit system is the most commonly used scuba gear today. On operations this will be worn with a dry-suit over the combat uniform. Communications are of course of paramount importance to men on long-range patrols, and the PRC-319 and PRC-320 radios are known to be in service.LINK
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Si cate ceva despre legaturile mai putin 'ortodoxe' dintre SAS si SBS, pe de o parte si MI6 alias SIS (Secret Intelligence Service) de-a lungul timpului: Special Political Action Section (SPA)Was to become heavily involved in deception, political influence operations and engineering changes in the leadership of foreign countries through rebellions such as the failed Indonesian Permesta rising of the late 1950's, insurgency, coups such as Iran in 1953 and the Congo in 1961 or perhaps by extreme 'executive action'. Within SIS the SPA was known as the 'jolly fun tricks department' and was directly controlled by the Head of R1. Thus the R1/SPA section was not an actual operational unit, but the originator and coordinator of operations mounted by the Directorate of production and any assets it used ranging from foreign mercenaries, 'former' Intelligence or special forces personnel, often used for 'deniable' operations, the SAS, IRD or any number of outside contracted specialists. The SPA would fall victim to the Labour Governments aversion to covert action and was quietly abolished in the mid 1970's. It was at this stage that the relationship with the SAS, seconded and retired, as well as a number of 'private' specialist companies became ever more important and by 1987 a Special Forces Directorate was formed to coordinate the activities of the SAS and SBS and ensure closer collaboration with the SIS. By 2003 such activities are the responsibility of theGeneral Support Branch Handles 'dirty operation' and uses The Increment as its executive arm. The so-called SIS Charter, known as the 'order book' requires that the service maintains a 'Special Operations' capability in addition to it more expected duties. The para-military or covert action option is provided by the 22 SAS CRW - Counter-Revolutionary Wing and the M (CT) Troop of the SBS and is supported by the RAF S & D Flight. The SAS CRW Increment would normally have around 45 highly trained specialists available for SIS requirements. All have a minimum of five years service in the SAS, are the rank of sergeant or above and have been heavily vetted by SIS. They will have gone through an induction course on surveillance and intelligence as well as three weeks at Fort Monckton. The SBS which provides a further 15 or so personnel, all of whom are expert divers, combat swimmers and underwater demolition experts, often with experience gained in the Comacchio Group, Mountain Leaders and the Artic Warfare Cadre. Several have 'skippers tickets' and could command commercial vessels or fishing boats when required. The SBS Increment places tracking devices on 'suspect' vessels in ports around the world. They also control the SIS 'mini-submarine', an advanced form of chariot with two crew and upto four passengers. It is used for clandestine infiltration and exfiltration of agents. The RAF S&D has some ten or so specialist pilots allowed to fly below 50ft and can call upon a specially modified C130 Hercules for agent drops and 'quick' recovery operations and a Puma (or newer model) helicopter, equipped with additional fuel tanks, mainly used to ferry SIS staff around the UK and in particular for the shuttle between London (Battersea Heliport) and Fort Monckton. The Army's secretive FRU (agent running unit); 14th Intelligence& Security Company; Intelligence Corps and Royal Military Police all provide additional personnel for 'The Increment' including Women Officers. The 14th indeed provided surveillance for SAS 'snatch teams' in the Balkans attempting to arrest suspected War Criminals in the 1990's.Defensive driving courses have been provided by the RMP at HMS Daedalus (a naval airfield near Fort Monckton) while field training and toughening-up courses are held at the SAS Pontrilas area in Wales and jointly with the Italian SISMI Intelligence Service in Rome.Has a Command Centre in the secure basement at Vauxhall Cross The dissident SIS officer Richard Tomlinson has publicly accused The Increment of being involved in SIS sponsored plans to assassinate foreign leaders including Serbia's Slobodan Milosevic. In 1998 Tomlinson confirmed the existence of the unit which he described as 'a small cell of the SAS and SBS which is especially selected and trained to carry out operations exclusively for MI5/MI6' and indeed of a written assassination plan He claimed that the document proposed three methods of assassinating Milosevic. The first method was to train and equip a Serbian paramilitary opposition group to assassinate Milosevic in Serbia. An MI6 Officer, Nick Fishwick, argued that this method would have the advantage of deniability, but with the disadvantage that control of the operation would be low and the chances of success unpredictable. The second method was to use The Increment to infiltrate Serbia and attack Milosevic either with a bomb or sniper ambush. The MI6 officer argued that this plan would be the most reliable, but would be undeniable if it went wrong. Fishwick’s third proposal was to kill Milosevic in a staged car crash, possibly during one of his visits to the ICFY (International Conference on the Former Yugoslavia) in Geneva, Switzerland. Chillingly the MI6 Officer even provided a suggestion about how this could be done, namely disorientating Milosevic’s chauffeur using a blinding strobe light as the cavalcade passed through one of Geneva’s motorway tunnels. Whatever the truth of such stories The Increment has been used as the covert 'strong-arm' of the Intelligence Service since the downgrading of its own military capability in the 1970's. Operations against terrorist threats to Intelligence officers and facilities and providing protection for senior officers are certainly part of their remit.However, the SIS also now directly employs a considerable number of former members of the SAS, SBS and 14th Intelligence Detachment of Military Intelligence and SIS has now decided, in the wake of the terrorist attacks in September 2001, to recreate some form ofSpecial Operations department. By early 2003 had recruited some 200 additional recently retired Special Forces personnel to greatly expand its own 'Covert Action' and overseas protection capability, along with as many as 100 Analysts and Linguists, and up to 200 additional admin/support staff for general intelligence duties. SIS also has a small group of perhaps 20-30 men and women known as UKN, mostly volunteers from outside organizations including private business who provide expect surveillance and counter-surveillance skills and training, as well as specialist computer and IT knowledge. The UKN are often used alongside The Increment for covert operations. LINK
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Eh bien,on as d'la chance de causer l'amérloque,là ! Parce-que si ç'aurait été du français...'tain que ç'aurait pu être difficile. Chuis à la masse,moi ! Acuma,fara gluma,daca s-ar putea traduce realizarile S.A.S-ului si-n limba lui Creanga,toata lumea ar avea de câstigat.
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S-a notat . Putintica rabdare si fac si asta . Pentru moment, am vrut sa semnalez doar existenta acestor texte. Fie, pentru inceput, si numai pentru cunoscatorii limbii lui Shakespeare.
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Mergand mai departe cu ideea lui ACH Boribum, as indrazni sa spun (posibil sa gresesc) ca ar fi binevenita transpunerea realizarilor SAS in standarde de pregatire profesionala pentru TOATE unitatile AT/CT romanesti. Este doar o idee, specialistii vor decide ce este mai bine.
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Salutari pt Radu Patrascu!Sunt interesante cele prezentate in ultimele doua postari. Referitor la trunchiul comun al pregatirii as face un singur amendament, si anume lipsa "dresajului" psihologic in cazul SBS, dresaj care in opinia mea este de fapt baza pregatirii SAS. Asa cum am mai spus-o, SAS merge pe principiul acestui dresaj al psihicului. Formerii considera ca odata acest dresaj facut, restul este simplu. Personal le dau dreptate.
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In cele ce urmeaza am sa postez cateva filmulete cu si despre Chris Ryan, unul dintre formerii SAS
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In cele ce urmeaza voi posta o serie de filmulete cu cele mai interesante misiuni ale SAS, misiuni care le-au adus faima si recunoasterea!
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Exista insa si parti putin cunoscute dar totusi reale:
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Forţele NATO din Afganistan se pregătesc pentru o amplă ofensivă menită să ducă la cucerirea ultimului bastion taliban, situat în provincia Helmand, din sudul ţării. La operaţiunea Moshtarak vor participa circa 15.000 de soldaţi americani, britanici şi afgani.Vârful de lance al ofensivei îl vor constitui militarii forţelor speciale britanice, susţinuţi de grenadierii de gardă şi regimentul galez, în total, circa 4.000 de oameni. Trupele şi-au ocupat poziţiile şi aşteaptă semnalul plecare la atac. Mii de civili au fugit din regiunea care urmează să se transforme în câmp de luptă. În faţa trupelor alianţei stau circa două mii de insurgenţi.Detaliile privind declanşarea ofensivei au fost oferite publicităţii pentru a le oferi ocazia talibanilor moderaţi să depună armele. În pofida avantajului numeric copleşitor, responsabilii militari ai alianţei nu se aşteaptă la o victorie uşoară şi fără pierderi.STIRE PRELUATA DE LA REALITATEA.NET-Sectiunea Externe
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excelente postarile Radu, esti o sursa extrem de utila, fie si spre luminarea unora dintre noi, eu sunt unul dintre aceia ! multumesc din nou, te citesc cu placere!vad ca sau cam terminat clipurile cu former SAS, marca youtube, speram in ceva mai consistent de la "cel specializat" la SAS
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SAS, ma simt oarecum magulit . Dar iti spun ca pe nedrept. Articolul referitor la operatiunea Moshtarak (o spun cu toata modestia) este de pe RealitateaTV si imi apartine. Lucrez acolo ca redactor (spune mai bine soarece de redactie) la departamentul externe. De altfel, nu e mare lucur ce am scris. Agentiile si netul sa traiasca ! Am luat informatie de pe Sky New si, daca imi aduc bine aminte, cred ca BBC. In fine, nu conteaza. Pentru ca pe editori nu i-ar fi interesat si mi-ar fi 'taiat' oricum asemenea detalii, am trecut 'fortele speciale britanice'. Mentionez ca in sursele folosite era vorba de SAS si SBS.
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Cu tot respectul Radu! Este adevarat ca am omis sa precizez sursa! Este adevarat ca stirea am preluat-o de pe Realitatea!
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Vreau sa te intreb ceva. Nu am de gand sa o fac pe desteptul, fiind constient de calitatatea mea de diletant pasionat. Insa am o nelamurire si de aceea, pentru a putea cunoaste, prefer sa confrunt sursele. Cred ca dintr-o asemenea confruntare rezulta adevarul, iar adevaratul beneficiar este cunoasterea. Asadar, nu spun acestea pentru a-mi satisface vreo jalnica vanitate, ci pentru a ma lamuri. Spuneai undeva mai sus ca militarilor din SBS le lipseste pregatirea psihologica si testarea aferenta celor din SAS. Inainte de a continua, iti spun ca si eu am un bias mai curand spre SAS decat spre SBS. Cu toate acestea, acolo unde am citat fragmentul referitor la etapele de pregatire pe care aspirantii la statutul de membru al celor doua unitati le parcurg impreuna, erau mentionate si saptamanile de survival training, inclusiv resistance to interrogation (am inteles ca acum aceasta etapa a primit numele SERE, inspirat de la americani). E vorba, deci, de aceeasi testare psihologica. In cazul asta, tu vorbeai de alte teste si cicluri de pregatire pe care cei din SAS le parcurg, iar cei din SBS nu ?E drept, si s-a mai scris si despre asta aici, ca intre cele doua unitati exista o mare 'iubire'. Se acuza reciproc de lipsa de profesionalism in anumite situatii. Am citit cartea unui sergent, Ken Connor, membru al 22 SAS timp de 25 de ani. El scria ca Royal Marines sunt ruda saraca a Royal Navy, iar SBS ruda saraca a Royal Marines si nu vorbea despre ei cu prea multa consideratie. Altii spun, insa, ca SBS, provenind majoritatea din Royal Marines, ale caror standarde sunt mai severe decat cele ale regimentelor armatei de uscat din care provin SAS (inclusiv parasutistii !) sunt mai buni si ca sunt trimisi in misiuni cu un grad mai mare de risc decat SAS. Majoritatea comentatorilor spune ca e o disputa mai curand academica: "Hereford Hooligans" versus "Shaky Boats". Sincer, astfel de dispute mi se par inutile, de-a dreptul sterile. Am vazut ca abordarea 'cutare e mai bun decat cutare' e respins de multi cunoscatori (cel putin asa sustin ei) care afirma ca 'fiecare este cel mai bun la ceea ce se pricepe sa faca'. Pe de alta parte, am vazut ca instructie antitero completa in SBS o primeste doar escadronul M, in timp ce in 22 SAS, toate cele 4 escadroane asuma acest rol prin rotatie.
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Nu era vorba de a cita sursa. Am fost doar surprins ca ceva scris de mine a ajuns sa fie citat. Sincer, asta si nimic altceva nu m-a determinat sa mentionez acest lucru . Am simtit insa nevoia sa precizez pe forum informatia completa (adica prezenta SAS si SBS, nu generic UKSF), deoarece este mai generos cu asemenea detalii decat RTV.
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@Radu PatrascuLa prima intrebare ma rezum doar la a raspunde DA, SAS parcurge alte cicluri de pregatire fata de cei din SBS. Din ratiuni bine de inteles nu pot da mai mult decat detaliile de pana acum.Referitor la a doua parte a postarii tale......hmmm aici e poveste destul de lunga! Intr-adevar, 22SAS cu toate escadroanele primeste intructia antitero completa, prin asta detasandu-se clar de SBS. Referitor la diferenta dintre cele doua unitati..... inca dinainte de momentul Munchen, SAS isi capatase notorietatea de "asasinii Reginei", asta in urma mai multor interventii armate de tip antitero, actiuni care abia foarte tarziu au scapat la presa! In realitate asta a fost punctul de pornire al discutiilor gen "ruda saraca", ca si al discutiilor care inca si acum se regasesc care au co subiect dotarea SAS(generic vorbind), bazele SAS, "libertatile" luptatorilor etc. Exacerband, SAS erau si sunt vazuti de catre alte unitati cam cum erau vazuti la noi cei de la Acvila. Binenteles acolo nu s-a ajuns si nu se va ajunge niciodata la desfintare!
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Salutare,interesanta ideea acestui post...mi-as dori o mai mare informare despre SAS si SBS din experientele personale ale celor ce au avut prilejul sa-i intalneasca in TO; citesc in alt post (daca nu gresesc, in cel de prezentare) ca autorul acestui post a facut un curs la SAS si ca merge regulat(anual la ceva module de pregatire). Interesant ar fi sa ne spui in ce context ai ajuns la ei(UK SAS), ce ne-ai mai putea spune din interiorul acestei structuri...cred ca mai sunt si altii pe aici care au ajuns la ei ...poate ca trebuie sa iesim din colivia ce o punem in jurul nostru si sa spunem atat cat se poate spune, aceste experiente daca ele sunt reale si exista ar fi extrem de utile si altora din SNA.cam stiu tot ce a facut Ro in materie de schimburi de experienta cu alte state membre si partenere NATO, nu am stiinta inca despre ceva pe la SAS, tocmai de aceea intreb.Curaj stimabililor si hai sa vedem experiente de viata poate unice si ce merita spuse si nu ascunse sub diferite pretexte.va multumesc
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SAS wrote ...Exacerband, SAS erau si sunt vazuti de catre alte unitati cam cum erau vazuti la noi cei de la Acvila. Binenteles acolo nu s-a ajuns si nu se va ajunge niciodata la desfintare! Ia trece-i tu pe SAS la jandarmerie,sa vezi ce ti-i desfiinteaza aia de n-au aer. Poate doar daca sparg caramizi în flacari,sa mai scape.
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@ curiosu' : am trait personal un astfel de schimb de experienta : instructia tragerii româneasca versus cea frantuzeasca. Pregatirea fizica româneasca versus cea frantuzeasca. Tactica grupei de infanterie româneasca versus cea frantuzeasca (deh,fiecare cu ce se pricepe). În afara de un MARE sentiment de ridicol,n-a ramas nimic. Un exemplu : un soldat care cunoscuse botezul focului debarca,se adapostea,arma si lua tinta în (sa ficem) 6 secunde (deja e mult!). Un subotifer care nu cunoscuse asa ceva,avea nevoie de oblonier sa coboare din Dac,de 5 minute sa-si deschida portîncarcatorul si de înca 5 minute sa înjure. Dupa care i se bloca 5,45-ul...asa nou-nout cum era. Poate ca de când România a început sa "iasa" si sa participe la operatiuni altele decât aplicatiile pe harta,lucrurile sa se fi schimbat. Sper,cel putin. Problema nu este la nivel de unitati mai mult sau mai putin speciale (batalionul de operatii speciale,în speta) ci la nivel de corp de trupa.
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@ACH Boribum,cunosc astfel de situatii...intr-devar, nimic de comentat...bine ca am introdus in armata si nu numai, corpul preotilor militari va rog sa imi scuzati off-topicul
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Tot off-topic,si tot cu scuzele de rigoare : am vazut,de la Rivulutie încoace,ca au aparut preotii în Armata. Bine,rau...ma rog,e discutabil (personal am o preferinta clara pentru republicile laice). Dar întrebarea e urmatoarea : exista,în afara de popii ortodocsi,si imami,rabini si pastori militari în România ? Am vazut ca se face mare caz de semnele exterioare ale bisericii,dar cum stau lucrurile cu cei de alta confesiune ? Ca soborul de preoti care sfinteste TAB-ul,pârtiile de ski,toaletele,termopanele,grenadele si senilele,asta am vazut. Cum fac însa militarii români care sunt de alta confesiune ? Multumesc pentru eventualele raspunsuri,si scuze din nou pentru off-topic.
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@ hyden analitycalIti apreciez pornirea patriotica de genul "hai mai baieti si povestiti ca poate va aude cineva si ajuta SNS-ul (eu asa stiam ca se numeste, nu SNA)"! Cat despre relatarea "patrunderii" mele la SAS! Nu am facut parte din nici un schimb in baza parteneriatelor! Am fost pur si simplu invitat de catre ei sa fac cursul! In rest.....despre "interiorul" SAS, consider ca pentru cititorii din Romania informatiile deja expuse sunt suficiente! In rest, asa cum am mai spus-o la inceputul acestui topic....poti fi invitat de catre ei oricand! Si ca un raspuns la cele scrise pe topicul "Prezentare" la afirmatia ca nu vedeai ce legatura au misiunile afara cu judiciarul....daca citeai mai bine ce am scris ai fi inteles ca "m-am cotit"! In rest, succese!P.S. .....sa stii ca si in SAS exista preoti..... cate unul pe escadron...;)
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@ 1* ....chiar nu te inteleg si tocmai de aceea hai sa ne oprim cu off-topicurile! Nu cred ca isi au sensul!
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si toata lumea opreste offtopicurile aici.multumesc.
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SAS wrote ...@ hyden analitycalIti apreciez pornirea patriotica de genul "hai mai baieti si povestiti ca poate va aude cineva si ajuta SNS-ul (eu asa stiam ca se numeste, nu SNA)"! Cat despre relatarea "patrunderii" mele la SAS! Nu am facut parte din nici un schimb in baza parteneriatelor! Am fost pur si simplu invitat de catre ei sa fac cursul! In rest.....despre "interiorul" SAS, consider ca pentru cititorii din Romania informatiile deja expuse sunt suficiente! In rest, asa cum am mai spus-o la inceputul acestui topic....poti fi invitat de catre ei oricand! Si ca un raspuns la cele scrise pe topicul "Prezentare" la afirmatia ca nu vedeai ce legatura au misiunile afara cu judiciarul....daca citeai mai bine ce am scris ai fi inteles ca "m-am cotit"! In rest, succese!P.S. .....sa stii ca si in SAS exista preoti..... cate unul pe escadron...;)1.CONDUCEREA FORTELOR SISTEMULUI NATIONAL DE APARARE LINKasta pentru ca sunt de la "verzi" cum spune lumea, deci punctul 1, nu stii nimic-vorbesti din CanCan 2. si pentru ca sunt tot de la "verzi" si nu odata am patruns oficial in cadrul Uk MoD, dar si mai mult in cadrul unor regimente consacrate ale armatei britanice, evident, unul din subiectele de discutie la o cafea, a fost si SAS-ul, iti pot spune draga SAS de romania ca interlocutorii mei, ofiteri de elita ai armelor respective, unii dintre ei cu foarte multa experienta de comanda in TO, nu au "primit acordul sa se pregateasca la SAS", in fapt o astfel de pregatire nu este deschisa pentru corpul OF&SOF din armata.ceea ce ne spui tu aici, ca ai fost invitat, suna de parca am povestii despre infratirea dintre Faurei si Big Ben cele expuse de domnia voastra cu aceste cursuri(facute din afara SNA-ului, pardon SNS-ului si cele 2 luni de pregatire anuala, mie imi suna a tabara de cercetasi.Am sa va rog Domnule SAS, pentru pastrarea calitatii si credibilitatii acestui forum sa ne produceti dovada, atata vreme cat "cursul a fost facut" la DLP(IDD in ro ), pe locuri cu plata, asadar domnule SAS, aveti cuvantul 3. in afara de informatiie aduse de Radu Patrascu(pe care il lecturez cu placere in orice topic), de altfel unul dintre cei mai avizati pana in acest moment sa ne vorbeasca despre SAS si altii cu adevarat speciali din fortele armate, in rest am vazut oferta dumneavostra de youtube, care fara sa fie cu suparare, este extrem de bine regizata si facuta sa emotioneze copii de pana in 16 ani.asadar, si aici aveti cuvantul sa ne spuneti cat mai multe ca si insider al SASOff-topic4. observ foarte bine, si nu numai eu, ca va cotiti cam des si aiuristic pe aici, sa va dau un exemplu tot din prezentare, cu masterat in AT si doctorat in CT va mai puneti problema diferentierii acestor doua notiuni , va rog sa imi raspundeti de ce
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@ACH,Armata romana nu mai face exercitii pe harta.Nu de alta,da nu mai avem harti si nici bani pentru altele.Scuze de off topic
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Despre SASR,fratiorii SAS:http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1067560-1,00.html
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@hidenanalytical1. Nu are rost sa comentez asupra SNS/SNA atata timp cat nu ati fost capabil sa sesizati ironia postarii mele referitoare la asta: "haideti mai baieti si povestiti....ca la sezatoare"!2. Stand de vorba la o cafea cu niste mari ofiteri de elita ai armelor din Politia locala, cu vasta experienta in TO din Ferentari si Pantelimon , mai multi mi-au comunicat ca era cam greu ca dvs, cel din randul "verzilor" sa "patrundeti oficial" in cadrul UkMoD! Revenint la povestirile dvs de la cafea, in mod clar acei ofiteri de care vobeati v-au indus intr-o mare eroare asupra recrutarilor pt SAS! Aceasta ultima fraza este dedicata si restului cititorilor!Referitor la credibilitatea acestui forum si a topicului in discutie, atata timp cat va deranjeaza limita de varsta de 16 ani, puteti foarte simplu sa il evitati pentru a nu va "murdari" privirea profesionista cu filmulete de You tube!3. Va multumesc pentru aprecierile aduse asupra regiei si punerii in scena a filmuletelor! Din cunostintele mele acest forum este destinat informarii si nu antrenamentului! Daca aveti nevoie de mai multe informatii, date de contact de la ei etc va recomand LINK. 4. Dupa cum v-am raspuns si anterior acest forum este dedicat informarii! Personal nu ma intereseaza diferentele dintre AT/CT! daca eventual aveti niste informatii care credeti ca ne-ar lumina pe noi, toti cititorii acestui forum, va invit sa le postati la topicurile respective!Personal tin sa va multumesc pentru interpelarea facuta si va urez bun venit si pe acest topic dedicat SAS (pt cei de 16 ani)!
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OFF_TOPICinterlocutorule, esti din categoria unora cu care nu discut in general si e ultima data cand te bag in seama, cand voi scrie ceva ce face referire la vreuna din postarile tale, asta nu inseamna ca iti acord atentie, daca este ceva de retinut din acestea este ok, altfel, succes la reducerile de easter de la SAS(vezi pct 3)la pct 1. ai luat-o pe aratura rau, intr-un clasic mod politicianist, felicitari pentru esec la pct 2. merita atentia mea doar neatentia dvs, si anume ca eu nu am vb de recrutari, si ma refeream la cursurile "IDD" ce se pot face la SAS , restul este o ironie nereusita la postarea subsemnatului la pct3. daca ne trimiti la site-uri comerciale sa cumparam CD-uri cu informati despre SAS, reiterez afirmatia din postul anterior, ai facut cursul la cercetasi, iar pe usa scria SAS, una peste alta, este oferta speciala, la £15.97 LINK poti afla cum sa ajungi pompier si politist, british nu oricare restul vorbelor tale sunt fara efect
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Chiar daca este o emisiune televizata va pot asigura ca cele ce veti vedea sunt foarte adevarate. In plus, formerul Eddie Stone este unul dintre "maestri"!
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Continui cu jungla!
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LINK NZSAS.Prima parte;restul se gasesc lesne.
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Il vad, in ultimele clipuri postate de SAS, pe Barry Davies. S-a înrolat în armata britanica in 1962, in Welsh Guards, iar dupa numai 3 ani (perioada minim necesara pentru a te prezenta la selectia in SAS) a devenit membru al 22 SAS. A servit nu mai putin de 18 ani in regiment si, alaturi de maiorul Alastair Morrison, comandantul adjunct al 22 SAS, a acordat asistenta echipei GSG 9, care i-a eliberat la Mogadishu pe pasagerii avionului companiei Lufthansa, rapiti de militantii palestinieni (operatiunea Feuerzauber) in octombrie 1977. In una din cartile sale, "The Complete Encyclopedia of the SAS", Barry relateaza povestea intalnirii sale cu Souhaila Sami Andrawes Sayeh, care, printr-o minune, a fost singurul dintre autorii luarii de ostatici care a supravietuit interventiei luptatorilor GSG 9. Fostul sergent povesteste cum, in momentul apropierii de locuinta acesteia, reflexele sale de vechi luptator s-au activat pentru cateva fractiuni de secunda. Intrand in casa, a fost primit de o femeie intre doua varste care suferea din cauza ranilor capatate in confruntarea de la Mogadishu, sfasiata de intrebari si indoieli. Fosta activista a Frontului Popular pentru Eliberarea Palestinei i-a explicat interlocutorului sau motivele care au determinat-o sa se inroleze in aceasta organizatie. Fara a aproba alegerile acesteia, Barry a ramas impresionat in fata destinului dramatic al palestiniencei. In prezent, Suhaila, in varsta de 57 de ani, traieste la Oslo, alaturi de sotul sau, profesorul si militantul pentru drepturile omului, Ahmad Abu Matar, si fiica lor. Pentru cei care vor crede ca identifica un anumit parti pris in aceste randuri in legatura cu conflictul israeliano-palestinian, le spun de pe acum ca se ostenesc degeaba. Este o problema prea veche si prea complicata pentru a o putea lamuri acum. Nu am cunostintele necesare pentru asa ceva si, oricum, cred ca ea ar face obiecul unui alt topic.
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Am semnalat, Mihais, un pic mai sus, existenta acestui serial . Este foarte interesant, iar deschiderea de care autoritatile de la Wellington fac dovada in dezvaluirea unora dintre secretele acestei unitati prestigioase este surprinzatoare.
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Pardon,nu am observat. Ce e de remarcat e nivelul de cooperare si capacitatea fortelor speciale de a trece peste orgoliile marunte pt. indeplinirea misiunii.Un merit deosebit in cooptarea celor 2 membri SAS il are colonelul Wegener,comandantul si fondatorul GSG9.
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Asa este, Mihais. Si fondatorul si primul comandant al 1st SFOD-D, Charlie Beckwith, a recurs la experienta si bunavointa lui Wegener, atunci cand a format aceasta unitate. Cand iranienii au pus stapanire asupra Ambasadei SUA de la Teheran, la 4 noiembrie 1979(sper ca nu gresesc, pt ca nu mai am chef sa verific), Beckwith si-a amintit din nou de comandantul GSG 9 si a dorit sa il consulte. Pentagonul a blocat aceasta initiativa, sub motiv ca intreaga poveste urma sa ramana 100% US matter.
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off-topic Operatiunea Gheara Vulturului.Atunci cand amesteci tot la un loc de amorul artei,obtii ceva urat mirositor. E drept ca asta a fost pt. americani semnalul de trezire si JSOCOM de azi e rezultatul reformelor incepute dupa dezastrul acela.
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Tot off-topic si inchei cu asta. Am citit cartea lui Beckwith. Este adevarat ca este o viziune subiectiva, iar fondatorul Delta Force era un individ care numai de lipsa de patos nu poate fi acuzat. Oricum, numai cine nu a vrut nu a avut o 'mana' in Eagle Claw. Delta isi faceau bine treaba, dar americanii nu aveau piloti pregatiti pentru navigatie la mica altitudine pe timp de noapte in conditii vitrege, asa cum exista in Iran. USNavy au tinut neaparat sa ofere ceva mai mult decat portavioanele de pe care isi luau elicopterele zborul. S-a vazut ca pilotii USNaval Aviation nu fac fata cerintelor, s-a trecut la cei din Marine Corps. Apoi, cunoscuta fiind rata scazuta a operativitatii elicopterelor (In Vietnam aceasta era in jur de 49-50%), Beckwith a cerut 12 elicoptere, pentru a fi sigur ca in misiune vor functiona minimum 6 de care era absoluta nevoie. S-a ajuns la doar 8 sub motiv ca, pentru ca lagarele rotoarelor sa nu fie corodate de aerul sarat oceanic, trebuie sa stea sub punte. Ce s-a intamplat, se stie. Doua s-au defectat inainte de a ajunge la Desert One (in desertul Dasht-e-Qavir), iar inca unul chiar inainte de a pleca spre punctul de unde operatorii Delta urmau sa fie imbarcati in camioane pentru a intra in Teheran. Cu doar 5 elicoptere functionale si riscul ca inca unul, cel putin, sa se defecteze, Beckwith a fost nevoit sa abandoneze misiunea si sa o amane pentru seara urmatoare. In 4 elicoptere nu ar fi incaput cei 100 de operatori SFOD-D si cei 53 de ostatici. Ar fi trebuit ca unii sa ramana "pietoni". Dupa ciocnirea dintre un elicopter si un avion de alimentare, totul a cazut. Si asa cum spuit tu, Mihais, peste un an se nastea JSOC, iar peste 7 ani a aparut si USSOCOM. Gata paranteza, revenim la topic.
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Interesanta cartea, interesanta si remarca (sublinierea imi apartine). Task Force Black by Mark UrbanMark Urban's prose is gripping but lacks perspective on the triumphs of our special forces in Iraq, says Jason Burkeo Jason Burkeo The Observer, Sunday 28 February 2010 On 30 May last year Operation Crichton, the UK special forces deployment in Iraq, ended. Over the previous six years operatives from the SAS, the Special Boat Service and a range of other elite units had killed or captured 3,500 people. Their own number had rarely exceeded 150 at any one time.The majority of targets on near-nightly raids were captured. Between 350 and 400 were killed. Most of these were senior Islamic militants including a number linked to al-Qaida. Around 50 civilians were killed as well.That Mark Urban, a BBC journalist also known for excellent recent books on the Napoleonic Wars, has been able to tell this story is a testament to his determination and investigative skill. Few reporters succeed in cultivating any sources within the closed world of the British special forces; Urban has found dozens who have spoken with unprecedented candour. The result is gripping and troubling in equal measure and an invaluable addition to the increasingly comprehensive literature on the Iraq war.The author had to battle the Ministry of Defence to have his book published, and one wonders what reception a work more critical of British special forces' operations might have received in Whitehall. The author's personal admiration for the men who constitute his subject is clear. Language veers from the breathless – "Britain's hand-picked troops", the "SAS had got its man"– to the soldierly – firefights are "epic", problems are "aggro". The book reads extremely well – too well in a sense – with almost every chapter starting with helicopters circling at dawn, Land Rovers leaving bases in clouds of dust or C-130 transporters taking off or coming into land. There is a limited lay vocabulary available to describe the intense and complex reality of war but the style occasionally jars in what is otherwise a serious and accomplished work.The narrow focus of the book sometimes forces the author to either ignore the broader context, local or regional, or condense extremely complex issues. Urban's two-page explanation of who or what was producing the horribly effective "explosively formed projectiles" which started featuring in roadside bombings of coalition troops, and why their source – probably Iran – was controversial, is nicely done and his unpicking of the political and legal labyrinth surrounding issues of prisoner detention and rules of engagements elegant and authoritative.However, Urban's analysis is more difficult to sustain when he says that British special forces were deployed in the north and west of Iraq in 2003 to take the place of massive bodies of American troops which were prevented from reaching the theatre because "the rulers of certain countries did not want to risk the wrath of the Arab street by allowing overt movements of US troops through their ports towards Iraq" even though "they had been prepared to accede to the launching of highly secret coalition attacks from their territory". This was, Urban states, "a typical double-dealing Middle Eastern approach". Quite apart from recycling a terrible old stereotype about wily, untrustworthy Orientals, the most prominent among "those certain countries" was Turkey, and Ankara's choice was not about double-dealing (nor clearly the Arab street) but, as it was the Turkish parliament that voted to reject the Americans' multi-billion dollar sweeteners, about democracy. Urban does however skilfully communicate a mass of often technical information about his core subject without ever boring the reader.Nor does Urban spare the rest of the British army. He argues that the UK's special forces effectively saved the nation's military honour in what was otherwise a war marked by early complacency, middling incompetence and finally a spineless lack of will. Urban quotes American commanders diplomatically praising the UK's contribution, though quite how critical the work of the SAS in Iraq was has to be seen in perspective. If the SAS killed or captured around 3,500, then the equivalent figure for the Joint Special Operations Command's US tasks across Iraq were, Urban says, estimated at 11,000-12,000 militants, of whom around 3,000 may have been killed.In Task Force Black Iraqis rarely feature other than as militants to be killed or captured, civilians who get shot by accident, as corrupt policemen or as weak and venal politicians. There is little sense of the Iraqi people as players in their own destiny. This is perhaps inevitable. David Kilcullen, an Australian counterinsurgency expert, quotes an American special forces operator in Iraq saying he had "never met an Iraqi who wasn't in handcuffs".Special forces are a high-grade specialised tool to be used sparingly in given circumstances. Their courage and skill is beyond doubt. But I wonder if they are entirely worthy of the enormous attention we lavish on them. Even with excellent books such as this.sursa: LINK
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The SAS's secret war: The book the MoD doesn't want you to read - a heart-stoppingly vivid account of the Iraq conflictBy Tony RennellLast updated at 11:35 AM on 13th February 2010The secret role of the SAS in Iraq is revealed for the first time today by the Daily Mail. As the first part of our adaptation of an explosive new book by BBC reporter Mark Urban shows, the SAS - sent to find non-existent WMDs - instead took inspiration from U.S. secret forces and set about tracking down Al Qaeda. Their secret war sparked a furious row between Whitehall and the SAS's commander - but their extraordinary bravery and daring resulted in the capture or death of almost 4,000 terrorists. On the edge of Baghdad, in the dusty farm compound that was his home, the terrorist leader was fast asleep - so used to the sound of coalition helicopters wheeling over the city by night that he did not stir. It was two in the morning, but on the table next to his bed his mobile phone was still switched on in case one of his 'brothers' called. That phone was his downfall. Because to the SAS soldiers of Task Force Black, who had been tracking him for weeks, its signal pinpointed his exact location. Now they were going to take him down in the time-honoured manner of The Regiment.Former SAS soldiers take part in a renactment of the Iranian Embassy siege in May 1980 The two teams of secret warriors got on famously. The SAS bashed a hole in the wall separating the two properties and there was frequent two-way traffic with the Americans, including raucous Thursday night barbecues.Now, though, there was serious work to do as, across a plantation of date palms a few hundred yards from the farm, SAS assault teams stepped quietly out of their Puma helicopters and slipped into the darkness.High overhead, a lumbering Hercules command aircraft circled, co-ordinating with the assault force on the ground. More helicopters were orbiting below, each with a sniper peering out through an open side door to give covering fire if necessary.On the ground, the SAS commander waited as his men moved silently into position. For weeks, he had been studying his target - a man who organised terror cells, putting vehicles, explosives and martyrs together to execute suicide car-bombings.The commander had painstakingly built up a picture of where the target lived and how he operated.In his headset, the commander could hear information relayed from the aircraft overhead. He was clear to go. On his signal, the door of the farmhouse was blown apart and the troopers - 'blades', as they are known - stormed in through the dust and smoke.SAS soldiers constantly practise house assaults like this. It is one of the basic drills they repeat ad nauseam in live fire exercises in the 'Killing House' at their UK training area in Hereford.Each man knows his place as the first trooper goes through a door and is ready to fire without hesitation at any threat they encounter.Searching each room inside is fraught with the risk of death or serious injury.'Going in, the bad guy is not going to be straight ahead of you,' recalled one veteran. 'He is either to the left or to the right. You cannot look both ways at once, so you take your choice. If you look left and he's on your right, you've got a problem.'The SAS base in Hereford, where soldiers undergo intensive training exercisesThis time, there was no such problem. Plastic cuffs were round the wrists of the stunned Iraqi before he had time to realise what was happening.A man known to be responsible for many deaths on the streets of Iraq was in the bag - and Britain's special forces had notched up another success in their top-secret and little-known war against Al Qaeda in the chaos of post-Saddam Iraq.Many of those secrets have been uncovered by Newsnight's defence editor, Mark Urban, in a new book written after careful research among many of those who were close to the action.They were keen to talk to him, he explained, because they believed great things had been achieved secretly which had never been publicly acknowledged.In fact, the war the SAS carried out between 2005 and 2007 was so secret that not even Tony Blair always seemed fully aware of its extent at first.In May 2006, the prime minister paid a flying visit to Britain's Armed Forces at a time when almost all of the news coming out of the country was dire.Newsnight's defence editor Mark Urban wrote Task Force Black after extensive research and interviewsBaghdad was a hotbed of suicide bombings and riots; Basra, where most of the British troops were based, was overrun by local militiamen with uncertain loyalties; and the prevailing military mindset was to get out as quickly as possible.Task Force Black had a rather different attitude. Those 'blades' chosen to meet and brief Blair opted to wear a shoulder-badge that had become a 'must-have' item among them. It featured the red, white and blue of the Union flag - and the words '**** Al Qaeda'.It was what they wanted the PM to know they had been doing for months now in hundreds of raids. Alongside U.S. special forces, they were turning the tide and preventing Iraq descending even further into chaos.Blair was 'gobsmacked' as they told him about the increasing ferocity of their encounters and gave him an insight into the active tactics being used to neutralise the terrorists.Perhaps it might even have given him hope. The message Blair took away was one of a strategy to defeat Al Qaeda that would be carried out with aggression and commitment.It was far from being a one-sided fight. In pursuit of a Sudanese fighter - one of thousands of Muslims who had heeded Osama bin Laden's appeal to wage jihad (holy war) in Iraq against the infidels - an SAS unit came to the hostile town of Ramadi, a stronghold of opposition to the British and American forces who had conquered Iraq and toppled Saddam Hussein.Captain Jim Morris - not his real name, as all names of living past and present SAS officers have been concealed for security reasons - led the assault on the jihadi's safe house, a large villa with smaller buildings in the grounds.Capt Morris blasted his way through a pair of high metal gates surrounding the house while other members of the team stood ready to block anyone trying to flee.Bursting into the compound, they were greeted with a hail of fire, including a rocket-propelled grenade scorching straight at them. Within seconds, the entire assault team was hit. Morris took a bullet in the backside and hobbled out as fast as he could.Behind him, Corporal Ian Plank lay in the yard, with a bullet wound to his face. He was dead. Nearby, Cpl Tom Saltash was too badly hurt to get himself out. He dragged himself into cover and lay just a few feet from the windows, where he could hear the insurgents.A statue of Saddam Hussein is pulled down in central Baghdad in April 2003They were praying, he would later recall, as if 'they knew they were going to die'. The question was whether they would find the wounded SAS corporal first and take him with them. From outside the compound, a sergeant and a trooper threw caution to the wind and rushed to their mate's side. It was dangerous, even foolhardy, but they did it nonetheless.As they hauled Saltash to his feet an AK-47 opened up from one of the windows and bullets flashed around them as they dragged him out of the compound.Now the big guns were called in to pummel the house. Inside the compound, the buildings were strewn with rubble, spent bullet casings and bodies. Outside, Iraqi gunmen were spraying the surrounding area with bullets.The SAS knew they could not dawdle and, with dawn breaking, they withdrew. A dozen terrorists lay dead. Four prisoners were taken - none of them Iraqi, all foreign nationals.They had not caught their Sudanese target. Was he among the dead or had he escaped? In this type of covert warfare, you never knew for sure. For troopers who had learned their trade raiding houses in Northern Ireland, dealing with roadside bombs and rocket-propelled grenades was a new experience.The sprawling suburbs of Baghdad and the alleyways of old Basra had little in common with Belfast.They would have to learn quickly in this uniquely hostile environment if they were to have any chance of staying alive.And, as if the problems that Britain's Special Forces faced on the ground were not tough enough, it can now be revealed their very mission was the cause of vicious and unedifying infighting between some of their own commanding officers about what the true role of the SAS in Iraq should be.Taking on Al Qaeda was not what special forces had been sent to Iraq to do. Their first task after the invasion in the spring of 2003 was to help MI6 track down the weapons of mass destruction that Blair's government had set such store by when going to war.It was quickly apparent that this was a blind alley. The debriefing of agents who had provided the British intelligence service with eye-catching lines in the Government's Iraq dossier produced some awkward scenes in Iraqi living rooms as the sources shrugged their shoulders and confessed they had little idea where the stuff was - or if it even existed.So then the SAS was tasked with what it called 'man-hunting' - finding and arresting the leading members of the toppled regime who had gone into hiding.But police work like this was not what SAS troopers had joined the elite regime for, especially since it was obvious to those on the ground that there had been a distinct change in 'atmospherics' in Iraq.After the initial euphoria of Saddam's defeat, Baghdad was turning into a cauldron of extreme violence. Coalition troops were increasingly coming under attack from mortars, grenades and, most worryingly, suicide car bombs.An insurgency was breaking out on the streets that could not be put down to a last throw of the dice by Saddam's supporters, especially since it was backed by increasing numbers of foreign fighters.Something new and threatening was happening here, but the Ministry of Defence mandarins back in London seemed indifferent, unwilling or unable to get their heads round it.The Americans had grasped this and, under a new and dynamic commander of special forces, were re-focusing their efforts with technologies and tactics that amounted to nothing less than a revolution in counter-terrorism.They began 24/7 aerial surveillance of key targets to map their movements and their contacts - a process known as 'the Unblinking Eye' - and sharply increase the number of 'takedowns', raids to arrest the bad guys.Task Force Black wanted to be part of this. They could see with their own eyes militant Islamists gaining power day by day.They also knew their U.S. neighbours were hard-pressed and could do with their help in fighting back against an enemy now designated as the AQI - 'Al Qaeda in Iraq'. But Whitehall was unhappy at such close co-operation after damning reports emerged of Americans abusing Iraqi detainees in Abu Ghraib prison.The fact that the SAS had already handed over some of its prisoners to the Americans and an uncertain fate made Whitehall even more nervous.To their dismay, Task Force Black were instructed to put some distance between themselves and their erstwhile buddies in the mansion next door.They felt sidelined from what they considered to be the main action, and it hurt their pride, especially when, with nothing of real importance to do, they were disparagingly dismissed as 'Task Force Slack'.They longed for action and it looked as if they would get it when, in June 2005, the U.S. commander of special forces, General Stanley McChrystal, formally asked Britain's Director of Special Forces, General Peter Rogers [not his real name], for help.Delta Force was taking too many casualties on its increasingly violent operations against Al Qaeda. McChrystal desperately needed to throw the 'blades' of the SAS into the battle.He got nowhere with Rogers. A notoriously difficult man, Rogers was always testing people by trying to unsettle and wrong-foot them.An Oxford graduate, he was lofty - both in stature and attitude - and highly intelligent: 'A yoga-practising special forces type,' as one colleague put it.'A cold fish, very cerebral, never easy,' was another senior officer's verdict. Rogers declined the American commander's overtures, citing concerns about U.S. treatment of detainees and differences in operational rules of engagement between the two forces, such as when a soldier was allowed to open fire.When McChrystal explained that he needed the extra manpower because his plan was to hit the suicide bombing cells every night, Rogers was dismissive, querying whether what he categorised disapprovingly as 'industrial counter-terrorism' could ever work.Yet, on the ground, such cooperation was already happening, with or without Rogers's approval. Commandos of the Special Boat Service went into action after the Americans received urgent intelligence that a multiple suicide bombing was about to be launched from a house in southern Baghdad.As the SBS men moved up on foot to hit the target compound, a man wearing a suicide vest came running towards them. He detonated the bomb too early to kill the crouching commandos, but the explosion caught a Puma support helicopter hovering less than 100ft overhead.The troops were in a Puma helicopter similar to this one (file photo)For a split second, the troop-carrying helicopter dropped like a stone before, against the odds, the pilot managed to pile on the power and pull the Puma to safety, just a few feet away from smashing into the Baghdad rooftops. Meanwhile, an image-intensifying camera on board had picked up a man running from the back of the building.The Puma swung around in the air to give the SBS sniper aboard a clean shot. He fixed on the runner through his telescopic sight and took him out. A second suicide bomber had been stopped.Then, as the SBS team stormed the house and began clearing rooms, another man in a bomb vest ran down a corridor towards them. A burst of gunfire cut him down before he could press the button.The team worked through more rooms with growing trepidation. There were explosives and bomb components scattered everywhere. Throwing in grenades or shooting indiscriminately might backfire disastrously, so they backed away carefully and left the place to bomb disposal experts.What the day's events rammed home more clearly than any intelligence briefing could have done was that a world of difference existed between the type of arrest work to which Task Force Black had been relegated, and the real battleground - an intensely violent fight against suicidally ruthless members of Al Qaeda.It also lit a fuse in a long-simmering and bitter conflict between Rogers, the Director of Special Forces, and Colonel Richard Williams, newly installed as overall commander of the SAS.Williams, who had spent time in Baghdad, was an outspoken advocate of those within The Regiment who believed they were wasting their time chasing the 'old men' of Saddam's former regime and would be better off assisting the Americans in a time of crisis.Boundlessly energetic and among the most aggressive field commanders in anyone's army, Williams had developed huge admiration for McChrystal, his American counterpart.McChrystal's personal presence on many raids - despite holding a two-star general's rank - and his missionary certainty in his new concepts for fighting Al Qaeda had won the SAS boss over.The two would meet regularly to chew over how they could get the SAS fighting alongside the American forces as a fully integrated member of the team.The SAS badge, bearing the inscription 'Who Dares Wins'Over the next few months, Williams set about integrating Task Force Black's operations more closely with the Americans, and was helped in this when, at the end of 2005, Rogers moved on from being Director of Special Forces. The brake was removed on Williams's freedom of action, and the benefits were soon clear.Being joined at the hip to the Americans brought increased flows of intelligence. The Brits could tap into the dozens of unmanned Predator drones sending back spy-pictures of Baghdad from the air, supplemented by cameras mounted on tethered balloons or fixed on the roofs of buildings.But the greatest bonus was gained from the U.S. military's everexpanding high-tech operation to eavesdrop on the millions of mobile phones in service throughout Iraq.If a cell phone was seized in a raid on a bomb maker's house, analysts could map all the calls made on it during previous months and generate a computer picture of a spider's web of suspects.Task Force Black were also allowed use of the state-of-the-art command and communications centre the Americans had built at the Balad air base north of Baghdad.Here, nightly raids on Al Qaeda safe houses were played out live on three big plasma screens, watched by those running the operation. At busy times there would be scores of staff at work in this darkened cockpit of technology and violence, bringing up information from orbiting drones or the secret service internet and feeding it to those on the ground.People who worked there referred to it as the 'Death Star' because of the sense that 'you could just reach out with a finger, as it were, and eliminate somebody'. Others who watched live the white splash of 500lb bombs on image-intensifier cameras referred to the screens up above them as 'Kill TV'.To McChrystal, the war room he had so carefully built up was 'The Machine' and he was now delighted that the British were boosting their involvement to the same 'industrial' scale as the Americans in the fight against Al Qaeda.But first Task Force Black (now renamed Task Force Knight after its original codename was reported in the media) had a specific job to do for the British Government.Civil war was breaking out in Iraq and sectarian death squads were killing hundreds of people each week. But Whitehall stressed that the priority was to find a missing 74-year- old English hostage, Norman Kember.Norman Kember was kidnapped while on a mission in Iraq with an organisation called the Christian PeacemakersKember, a conscientious objector, was from an organisation called the Christian Peacemakers. He and three other members had gone to Iraq as ardent opponents of the U.S.-led invasion, only to be kidnapped by masked gunmen from a group calling itself the Swords of Righteousness Brigade.One SAS officer recalled that 'our whole squadron was focused on trying to find Kember', a task that seemed hopeless when, after 15 weeks, the body of one of the other three prisoners, an American named Tom Fox, was found. His hands were tied, cuts and bruises were visible on his head and body, and it looked as if he had been tortured before being shot.The SAS task force hunting the kidnappers had little doubt that the remaining captives would also soon be dead.Around 200 foreigners had been kidnapped in Iraq by then and most had been released upon payment of ransoms.The British Government, however, refused on principle to pay up and at least two British hostages had died as a result, one videotaped as he was gruesomely beheaded. Kember seemed certain to meet a similar fate.But with their new access to intelligence gleaned from mobile phones, the SAS team began to make headway.A handful of young officers and sergeants were designated as team leaders to plan intelligencegathering operations.This involved making a 'target pack' on someone who appeared in the intelligence analysts' web of contacts and deciding how best to snatch him, whether in his car or by a raid on his home. 'We were out every night,' one recalled.Suspects would be interrogated the moment they were arrested - 'tactical questioning', as it was known. 'The shock of capture makes it very important to exploit that moment, and to do it on the spot,' one veteran explained.Another, asked about operations to find Kember, said: 'Individuals were exploited to get to him - both by putting them under duress and not.'And it was by putting somebody 'under duress' in that initial period of disorientation that the key break came. A fortnight after the discovery of Fox's body, an SAS team burst into a building 20 miles from Baghdad and found two men.U.S. hostage Tom Fox is thought to have been tortured before he was killedUnder pressure - people who know about the operation reject the use of such words as 'beating' and 'torture' - one of them said he knew where Kember and the other two remaining hostages were being held.This stunning disclosure posed an immediate question: what to do next? There was clearly a need for speed, but equally there was the danger of being drawn into an ambush and putting the lives of the hostages and the rescue team at risk.The dilemma was solved by a telephone call directly to the hostage-takers. The SAS were on their way to get them, they were told. 'How about you disappear,' it was suggested. 'And we won't come after you.'Mark Urban's new book tells of the secret role of the SAS in IraqNot long after, a ground assault force hit a house in western Baghdad. They cleared it room by room and found no insurgents. Then they burst into the final room, and there were the hostages. Kember looked bewildered, but the others smiled with relief as they were hurried away to safety.The 'blades' were in euphoric mood, as were coalition chiefs. They had beaten the kidnappers and released the hostages after 118 days of captivity.New intelligence techniques and a relentless special forces operation had thwarted what had seemed a grimly inevitable outcome.During the operation to find Kember, British special forcesraided 50 buildings, kicked in 44 doors and detained 47 people before they were led to that one man capable of telling them where the hostages were hidden.The ironies of an arch-opponent of the war being rescued by the SAS were not lost on anyone. Nor can Kember himself have been comfortable with the fact that they had applied 'duress' to prisoners in order to find him.Six months later, Iraqi police arrested men alleged to have carried out the kidnapping. Kember, faithful to his pacifist principles, insisted that he would not give evidence against them.But within the British special forces community, the successful operation to rescue him was regarded as a watershed. It put them on a par with the Americans.The question now was whether the newly-upgraded and remotivated SAS units could have the same sort of success against what was now their number one target in Iraq's secret war - Al Qaeda.• Adapted from Task Force Black by Mark Urban, to be published by Little, Brown on February 18 at £17.99 © Mark Urban 2010. To order a copy (p&p free) for £16.19 call 0845 155 0720.sursa: LINK
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off-topic.Ce pierdere de vreme salvarea acestui domn Kember.
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Task Force Black: the Explosive True Story of the SAS and the Secret War in Iraq, By Mark UrbanReviewed by Kim SenguptaFriday, 5 March 2010It was quiet, too quiet. The tension was palpable as Mark Urban waited for the inevitable attack. He knew too many secrets and had to be silenced. This, after all, was 'Big Boys' rules, the code of the shadowy and deadly world he had dared to enter - the world of the SAS.At the end, the Ministry of Defence decided not to take out an injunction to stop the book by Newsnight's Defence and Diplomatic editor on Special Forces operations in Iraq. But the publicity over their attempt to suppress much of the work should boost sales nicely.Even without that bonus, Urban's book, Task Force Black, deserves to do well. It is the first account, as full as it can be under the circumstances, of the clandestine war waged by the SAS and their Royal Marines equivalent, the SBS, alongside US Delta force in the height of that murderous war.Mark described the frustrations of trying to get his book cleared with the Ministry of Defence when we were both reporting on an operation alongside the US Marines in Naw Zad, in Helmand, last December. I ran into him two days ago, back here in Helmand, where I am writing this review now, a far happier man with all his hard work at last seeing the light of day.There is an intrinsic link between the subject of Urban's book and the current Afghan conflict. The man who orchestrated the secret war in Baghdad at the time was the American General Stanley McChrystal, now head of Nato forces in Afghanistan. Some of the lessons he learned in Baghdad are now being applied to Helmand in what is now being described as the defining phase of the conflict.The reason for the attempts to stop the book from being published, or have eviscerated, to the extent that it became pointless, is long held antipathy to almost any publicity by the hierarchy of the British Special Forces. They have, over the years, battled authors and publishers with varying degrees of success, one of the most notable against a former commander, General Sir Peter De La Billiere, after the first Gulf War.The reason given is that revealing too many details of Special Forces (SF) operations would compromise security and would also dent the mystique built around the " Who Dares Wins" image. It was hoped that the current Director of Special Forces (DSF) a thoughtful and astute Major-General before his posting, would have brought more openness. But he too appeared to have embraced the prevailing culture and was exercised by Urban's book.There are, however, some in the ranks of the SAS and SBS who are increasingly of the view that there should be more candour, to get public recognition and plaudits for their triumphs and also to bring some transparency to a set-up where cock-ups are hidden under the cloak of national security.There is also another reason why the Government would have preferred to have kept a lid on SF activity in Iraq, especially in support of the Americans.With the rising unpopularity of the war, the British were keen to distance themselves from the perceived excesses of US troops. There was a constant mantra that things were different, less violent, in the UK controlled south of the country. Disclosing that British troops in Baghdad were not only fighting alongside the Americans, but taking part in some of the bloodiest operations, undermines the thesis of British 'moderation'.Enough SF personnel, most of them retired, but a few also serving, spoke to Urban for him to chart the role of the SF in Baghdad and the killing fields of the Sunni Triangle. It is a world of nightly raids, targeted arrests and killings, a particularly brutal scenario, but all too familiar to those of us in Baghdad at that time of mayhem.From the outset of the war, the SAS were determined to be positioned in Baghdad. Tony Blair was at first pleased, in the hope that the action men would, at last, turn up Saddam's WMD, the justification given for the invasion by the UK and the US which was becoming a matter of public mirth.The SAS soon realized the futility of pursuing the mythical WMD arsenal and spending their time hunting down Saddamist officials. The real enemy, ironically brought into Iraq by the US-British invasion, were al-Qa'ida and other Islamist jihadists responsible for the remorseless tide of indiscriminate car bombings and suicide attacks. General McChrystal was going after them and the British troops joined in with gusto.It is not clear how much of the gory details were passed up the Whitehall chain. However, Urban points out, the British government did prevent the SAS from taking part in one mission -the siege of Falluja, a centre of the Sunni insurgency in 2004. It was deemed that their involvement in the violent images from the protracted fighting, lasting many days, would not be helpful to the propaganda line still being held, that it was the Americans doing the fighting while the British were busy engaged in positive activities like reconstruction elsewhere in the country.In the end, the policy of buying peace in Basra by turning a blind eye to the excesses of the Shia militias unravelled. The SAS were sent south to help in the planned arrest of a militant leader who had become a policeman and was now running a seditious force within a force. The operation ended in the full glare of embarrassing publicity when two troopers carrying out undercover surveillance were spotted and arrested by the police, necessitating a full scale rescue.Urban's book catches the tensions which surfaced between various branches of the military and government departments during that crisis and other ones. He also described the internal politicking and personality clashes within the SF ranks and how this shaped the course of operations. This, again, may not be to the liking of the SF hierarchy, but, in reality what it does do is give human faces to a bunch of remarkable men. The mystique still persists, it is just made a little bit more accessible.sursa: LINK
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Problemele fortelor armate britanice sunt reale.In general politicul fie nu e cu adevarat interesat de subiect si taie din buget,fie traieste cu ideea ca sunt baieti buni si se descurca oricum,asa ca mai taie iarasi din buget.Apoi nu a existat o adevarata viziune strategica.UK are inca interese globale pe care colaborarea cu SUA nu le poate satisface in totalitate.Ori politicul foloseste armata ca pe copilul de mingi al americanilor.Tot ce se face e rezultatul unor interminabile negocieri si compromisuri.Vezi numai ce trebuiau sa fie distrugatoarele Type45(clasa Daring).Ba se mai taie la numar(din 12 incet incet s-a ajuns la 6,posibil 4).Armamentul e departe de intentia initiala. Dar asta e o digresiune.UKSF are probleme in primul rand datorita lipsei viziunii.Ce trebuia sa fie un razboi al FOS s-a transformat intr-o suita de direct actions.Bune si astea,dar cam mare limitarea.Asa incat domnii ofiteri fac ce trebuie sa faca niste gentlemeni-pleaca si ii lasa pe care cred ca stiu mai bine sa faca cum vor,dar pe barba lor,nu patand onoarea ofiterilor Majestatii Sale.
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Situatia e cel bine mai descrisa de Kipling
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Una dintre problemele, care, dupa parerea mea, afecteaza moralul ofiterilor din SAS, este absenta unei specializari (military occupation specialty=MOS), in cariera Fortelor Speciale. Exista, in cazul subofiterilor si a trupei (numiti OR=Other Ranks), prin simplul transfer, dupa depasirea selectiei si a fazei instructie de baza, din regimentul de provenienta, in 22 SAS. Nu se poate vorbi, insa, in cazul ofiterilor, de o cariera in aceasta categorie. Perioadele de serviciu in 22 SAS si UKSF alterneaza cu cele in unitatile conventionale. Este posibil ca acest lucru sa se datoreze si dimensiunilor mult mai mici ale UKSF in raport cu uriasul USSOCOM.
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Nu stiu cat e de afectat moralul,dar politica in sine e inteleapta.FOS nu sunt decat rareori folosite separat de restul armatei.Risti sa patesti ce au patit israelienii in 2006,cand ofiteri proveniti din FOS au dat cu stangul in dreptul incercand sa comande formatiuni de arme combinate.Peter de la Billiere,de ex.,nu a comis stangacii de genul asta.
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Voi veni cu cateva exemple in acest sens. Maj Gen John Holmes DSO, OBE, MCJohn was commissioned into the Scots Guards in 1970, serving in the Gulf, Germany and Northern Ireland before joining 22 SAS in 1974. He subsequently followed a Special Forces career and in turn commanded a SAS Squadron, served as the Special Operations Liaison Officer at the British Embassy in Washington DC, ran the Special Forces Policy Desk in the Ministry of Defence and commanded 22 SAS from 1989 to 1992. He was subsequently given accelerated promotion to Brigadier and command of the Airborne Brigade for three years. He then served at SHAPE working in the Command Group for SACEURs Jowlan and Clarke. He returned to the UK in 1999 as Director Special Forces and in 2001 was promoted to 2-Star and given command of 4 Division. He elected for early retirement in 2002 and worked with a Risk Management Company for a period before taking up a consultancy position in London. During this period he completed a major work for the Metropolitan Police (Project Unicorn) into what the commercial sector in London could do to help the United Kingdom’s Counter-Terrorist effort. He joined Erinys in 2003 and serves the Board as Director of International Affairs.General Sir Peter de la BilliereDe la Billière has always been an unconventional character and his autobiography, ‘Looking for Trouble’ sums up his approach to life. A rebel at Harrow, who persistently broke school rules and raided the armoury by night, he joined the army as a private soldier and fought his way to the very top. After service in Korea and Egypt, during which he was selected as an officer, he joined the SAS, with which�he served in Malaya, Borneo, Oman and Aden, rising through the ranks to command 22nd SAS and eventually, to become Director, SAS Group. Peter de la Billière was a soldier of the old school, an immensely popular leader and man - with those under his command, and during Desert Storm he was as at home briefing the then Prime Minister John Major, or negotiating with General H. Norman Schwarzkopf, Overall Commander of Desert Storm as he was bedding down in the desert beside a tank for the night alongside its crew. He learned leadership from the ground up, the hard way, fighting communist-trained terrorists in the deep jungle, and Arab rebels on the baking heights of Jebel Akhdar in Oman, where as a 24-year old troop commander, he won his first Military Cross (MC), a medal awarded to commissioned officers for distinguished and meritorious service in battle. From 1964 to 1966, General de la Billière commanded ‘A’ Squadron SAS on operations in Radfan and Borneo, gaining a bar to his MC. He later returned to 22 SAS as Second-in-Command and subsequently, as Commanding Officer. During the period 1969-1974, he commanded operations in Musandam and Dhofar and in 1972, he established the Counter Terrorist Force immediately following the Munich Games incident. For his role in the secret Dhofar campaign, in which the SAS played a vital part in rolling back the tide of communism from Southern Arabia in the early 1970’s, he was awarded the Distinguished Service Order (DSO), which was established to reward officers who exhibited individual instances of meritorious or distinguished service in war. A period on the Directing Staff at the Army Staff College, Camberley, was followed by command of the British Army Training Team in Sudan in 1977. Between 1979 and 1983, he commanded the Special Air Service Group and in 1980, was in overall military command of the outstandingly successful assault to release the hostages held during the siege of the Iranian Embassy in London's Princes Gate in the operation which brought the SAS to prominence. Just two years later, he was in command of Special Forces operations during the Falklands War and himself commanded the garrison in the Falklands as Military Commissioner from 1984 to 1985. He was appointed CBE in 1983 and KCB (Knight Commander, Order of the Bath) in 1988. By the time of Desert Storm, he was appointed as commander for the 45,000-strong British contingent, and was personally responsible for having the British armoured force increased to divisional strength, thus enabling it to play a valuable role in the subsequent land battle. Upon his return to the UK after Desert Storm, he was appointed KBE (Knight Commander of the British Empire), promoted General and became special adviser to the Ministry of Defence on Middle East matters. Pentru o biografie mai detaliata: LINK
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Multumesc, Mihais. Este, intr-adevar, un punct de vedere demn de luat in considerare.
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Cu toate acestea, ceva se intampla la nivelul celui mai inalt esalon de decizie al armatei britanice. Oameni valorosi din Special Forces au plecat din armata dezgustati de sicanele care li s-au facut. Semnalam mai de mult cazul locotenent-colonelului Richard Johnson, comandantul 22 SAS in cursul operatiunilor din Irak, in 2003, si comandant de escadron in razboiul din Afganistan, care a demisionat in vara anului 2007. Redau mai jos continutul unui articol.SAS chief criticised for joining action quitsMichael Evans, Defence Editor The head of the SAS has resigned from the elite army regiment “for personal reasons”, defence sources said last night. The commanding officer of 22 Special Air Service Regiment, who cannot be named for his own security, has been involved in covert operations in Iraq and Afghanistan where he gained a reputation for leading from the front. However, this has drawn criticism from the army hierarchy, which believes that commanding officers, whether they are in the SAS or in conventional regiments, need to be less involved in frontline combat and more concerned with the “big picture”, sending their men out to do the fighting, according to a report in The Sun. The commanding officer of the SAS — a lieutenant-colonel in his early forties — has served in the Army for more than 20 years and is planning to end his military career when he hands over the special forces role to his successor. The head of the SAS normally stays in the job for about three years and he will have completed his full appointment period by the time he leaves. Defence sources were anxious to emphasise that the commanding officer was leaving the SAS for “personal reasons”, but acknowledged that the reports of his style of leadership were not far off the mark. The regiment’s motto is “Who Dares Wins”. Previous SAS commanders have included General Sir Michael Rose, who fought with the regiment in the 1982 Falklands conflict, and General Sir Peter de la Billière, who led the British force in the Gulf War in 1991 after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. In the past, commanding officers of 22 SAS have often gone on to become Director Special Forces with the rank of brigadier. The present head of the special forces — the SAS and the Special Boat Service, the Royal Marines’ equivalent — served as a senior commander in Iraq. He has had a glittering career in the Army, with tours of duty in the most dangerous areas in Iraq and Afghanistan. The special forces have divided up their roles in these two war zones, with the SAS based mainly in Baghdad and operating with their American counterparts in hunting down al-Qaeda terrorists, and the SBS serving in southern Afghanistan. In recent weeks the SAS has also been searching for the five Britons who were kidnapped in Baghdad. The lieutenant-colonel’s future money-earning prospects in the civilian world will be unrivalled. As head of the most famous regiment in the world he will be able to command a big salary in a security company. When he leaves the Army he is expected to be recruited by one of the top companies who are winning big contracts in Iraq. At least 10,000 people are now operating in Iraq with private security companies, all of which rely on ex-special forces soldiers to perform the dangerous roles that are needed in a country suffering from increasingly sophisticated insurgency groups. However, as a senior officer and with his SAS background, the lieutenant-colonel is likely to be snapped up as a director of one of the private security companies.LINK Despre tensiunile dintre el si superiorul direct, directorul UKSF, se poate citi in postarea mea de mai sus, referitoare la cartea 'Task Force Black'. E un fapt care nu mi se pare de bun augur.
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Adaug aici un alt caz, cel al brigadierului Ed Butler, comandant al 22 SAS in Afganistan in 2001-2002. SAS hero quits with a parting shot over army cutsBy Matthew HickleyLast updated at 8:39 PM on 08th June 2008A highly-decorated former head of the SAS has quit the Army, voicing concerns over the ‘constraints’ faced by troops under his command.Brigadier Ed Butler led 16 Air Assault Brigade as it moved into southern Afghanistan and faced ferocious battles with the Taliban in 2006. He previously commanded 22 SAS Regiment on operations in the Middle East and the Balkans.The 48-year-old officer, who was widely tipped as a future head of the Army, is the latest high-flying leader to quit in recent months, leading to fresh fears over the impact of overstretch on the Armed Forces.Insiders said news of the brigadier’s resignation sent ‘shockwaves’ through the upper echelons of the Army, and warned that the Government should be seriously worried by the exodus of respected commanders. Brigadier Ed Butler - a man with a 'glittering career' ahead of him - leaves the forces with a parting comment about a lack of resourcesThe Ministry of Defence meanwhile insisted the resignation was ‘not a protest vote’.In a statement, the brigadier - an old Etonian and grandson of Tory grandee the late ‘Rab’ Butler - said he was leaving to spend more time with his young family and pursue commercial opportunities.But sources close to him spoke of his ‘frustration’ at recent cuts, and the continuing shortages of manpower and equipment.Brigadier Butler, who won the Distinguished Service Order for bravery in Afghanistan, paid tribute to the men and women he fought with.But his statement pointedly referred to their performance ‘within the well-known constraints and restraints’.He said he had resigned following six months of discussion with his family, who were his ‘over-riding consideration’.He added: ‘I have had an incredible two dozen years in the Army and have been so privileged to lead some extraordinarily brave men and women, from all three services, on hugely challenging operations from Northern Ireland to the Balkans, Iraq, Africa and Afghanistan.‘Their resourcefulness, commitment and ability to continually deliver operational success, within the well-known constraints and restraints, is both remarkable and humbling. We owe them a huge debt of gratitude.’Brigadier Butler holds the title Chief of Joint Operations at the Permanent Joint Headquarters, at Northwood, near London. It is understood he was disappointed at being passed over for the post of Director of Special Forces.A former senior SAS officer yesterday described his departure as ‘shocking’.He added: ‘Less than a year ago the commanding officer of the SAS resigned, something unheard of.‘That was followed by the resignation of Lt Col Stuart Tootal, who commanded 3 Para in Helmand, and now Ed has gone. All three had glittering careers ahead of them, but they chose to go. That must send shockwaves through the Army hierarchy and send them a signal that all is not well.‘The Government, too, should be worried. Guys of their calibre simply do not quit other than for very good reasons.’The news came days after the head of the Army, General Sir Richard Dannatt, demanded higher pay for his soldiers, pointing out that junior infantrymen risking their lives in Afghanistan are paid less than traffic wardens.LINK
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Si mai amintesc un caz, care a venit ca urmare a unei tragedii. SAS commander says MoD has 'blood on its hands' over Snatch Land RoversMajor Sebastian Morley, the SAS commander who resigned over "unsafe" Snatch Land Rovers in Afghanistan, has accused the Government of having "blood on its hands". By Thomas Harding, Defence CorrespondentPublished: 10:30PM GMT 06 Mar 2009Speaking for the first time since he stepped down, Major Morley says the Ministry of Defence was being "cavalier at best, criminal at worst".He also accuses Quentin Davies, the minister for defence equipment and support, of telling an "unacceptable lie" after the deaths of four of his soldiers. Major Morley, 40, says his warnings over the Snatch Land Rover were repeatedly ignored. He resigned after four soldiers were killed when their Snatch vehicle hit an anti-tank mine in Helmand province in June.Among the casualties was Cpl Sarah Bryant, the first female soldier to die in Afghanistan.Over the past four years 37 servicemen and women have been killed in the vehicles in Iraq and Afghanistan.Major Morley says: "I had to resign. I had warned them (the MoD) time and time again that there were going to be needless deaths if we were not given the right equipment, and they ignored this advice."There is blood on their hands."After the deaths of Cpl Bryant and her colleagues Mr Davies claimed that Army commanders chose which vehicles troops would use and that sometimes they might choose the wrong equipment. The minister later said he had not meant to cause offence.But Major Morley says the comments prompted him to speak out about his concerns over the Afghanistan campaign."A government minister is on record telling a lie about four deaths, and this is unacceptable," he said. "There was no other vehicle to use. The simple truth is that the protection on these vehicles is inadequate and this led to the unnecessary deaths."In wide-ranging interviews with The Daily Telegraph and Tatler magazine, Major Morley also raises doubts over the current conduct of the campaign that he believed was being undermined by a lack of resources.However, an MoD spokesman said: "British forces are better equipped than ever before, with new technology and state of the art armoured vehicles continuing to arrive in Afghanistan."We accept that Snatch is not suitable for high risk environments but it is adequate for the job it is given."He added that Mr Davies had made clear that any offence caused by remarks he made on the issue was entirely inadvertent. LINK
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Inquest to rule on Land Rover deaths in AfghanistanDeborah Haynes, Defence Editor An inquest into the deaths of the only female British soldier to be killed in Afghanistan and three SAS reservists will conclude today after hearing a series of concerns over the lightly armoured Snatch Land Rover the four were travelling in when they struck a bomb.Witnesses have criticised a shortage of mine detectors issued to troops in Helmand province and claimed there was insufficient training on the critical piece of equipment.David Masters, assistant deputy coroner for Wiltshire and Swindon, has said he will examine the suitability of Snatch Land Rovers for the fatal mission and look at the soldiers’ ability to detect roadside bombs, in a verdict that could cause embarrassment for the Ministry of Defence.Gordon Brown revealed on a trip to Afghanistan at the weekend that 200 new patrol vehicles would replace the Snatch Land Rover, which has been criticised for several years for offering inadequate protection against roadside bombs, the biggest killer of British soldiers in the country. Corporal Sarah Bryant, of the Intelligence Corps, and Corporal Sean Reeve, Lance-Corporal Richard Larkin and Trooper Paul Stout, of 23rd SAS Regiment, were the last troops to die in one of the fortified Land Rovers when theirs hit an improvised explosive device on June 17, 2008.A fifth soldier survived the explosion, which was triggered when one of the vehicle’s back wheels struck the pressure-plate bomb, thought to weigh between 50kg and 100kg, while trying to navigate a shallow ditch in rural terrain to the east of Lashkar Gah, the provincial capital of Helmand.The inquest, at Trowbridge Town Hall, heard yesterday from the commanding officer of 23rd SAS Regiment, a Territorial Army unit, who said he was concerned about the Snatch and had requested a different Land Rover that could travel off-road more easily but none were available.The SAS commander, identified only as Colonel A, also said that his soldiers lacked sufficient numbers of EBEX mine detectors.Adding to the sense of overstretch, he revealed that his squadron was ordered to mentor the Afghan police only because there had been no regular forces available to do the job.Colonel A insisted, however, that despite the challenges his unit had the resources and training to perform its role successfully. Pressed on the shortfall of mine detectors by a lawyer for two of the families, the commanding officer said that procedures had to be modified to tackle the threat with the resources available, which increased the danger for his troops.The comments came after the Prime Minister said last week that he had met all requests for military equipment in Iraq.In an emotional piece of evidence for relatives of the victims who are attending the inquest, which resumed last week, a pathologist confirmed yesterday that Corporal Bryant, 26, Corporal Reeve, 28, and Trooper Stout, 31, died “virtually instantly” from blast wounds caused by the explosion.Lance-Corporal Larkin, 39, who was driving, died after being trapped behind the steering wheel of the Snatch Land Rover. The pathologist said he would have been rendered unconscious “very rapidly, if not instantly, as a result of the force”.The coroner is due to deliver his verdict this afternoon at 2pm. LINKAmm uitat sa mentionez faptul ca Richard Williams nu a fost demis in 2003 in urma disensiunilor cu directorul UKSF doar la ordinul sefului SMFT britanice, generalul Sir Mike Jackson.
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Mihais, mi-ai luat, ca sa zic asa, vorba din gura. Tommy Atkins, numele generic al soldatului britanic...Precizez din nou, nu am pretentii ca as fi expert. Insa, mi se pare ca, desi au poate cele mai bune unitati pentru operatiuni speciale din lume, britanicii nu manifesta niciun interes fata de strategia utilizariii lor. Nu am gasit niciun document care sa dea seama de o astfel de preocupare. Abunda, in schimb, cele americane. Nu comentez rezultatele, dar un fapt imi pare a fi cert: americanii au fost si sunt foarte preocupati de elaborarea unei strategii, a unei doctrine integrate a operatiunilor speciale. Aici,reamintesc, poate ca joaca un rol si dimensiunile acestei categorii de forte, care, din punct de vedere numeric si material, este impresionanta.
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In ceea ce priveste cariera, ofiterii britanici servesc destul de putin timp in fortele speciale. Asta porneste de la tipul de organizare, care a fost preluat si de australieni, neo-zeelandezi, dar si de canadieni. Ofiterul care ajunge in SAS serveste 3 sau maximum 4 ani, cu gradul de capitan, in functia de comandant de troop, dupa care revine in unitatile mainstream. Perioada in care servesc in SAS este considerata o detasare, ei fiind considerati in continuare membri ai regimentului de provenienta. Asa sunt numiti si in documentele oficiale, chiar si in cele care fac referire la stagiul in SAS. In cazul in care performantele lor s-au bucurat de apreciere, sunt rechemati in 22 SAS, pentru 2 ani unde, ca maiori, vor comanda un escadron. Din acest moment, foarte putini mai ajung in esalonul superior al regimentului. Cei care reusesc, mai servesc ca maiori, fie care ofiteri cu operatiile sau loctiitor al comandant al regimentului, comandant al detasamentului de selectie, research cell, etc. De obicei insa, detin functii de stat major, uneori in UKSF, iar cel mai bun devine comandant al 22 SAS, ca locotenent colonel, timp de 2 ani si jumatate sau 3. In total, deci, 7-8 ani in regiment. Mai au sanse, ca brigadieri, sa detina postul de director adjunct al UKSF, sau ca general-maior, postul de director plin.
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Napoleon avea, printre multele reflectii care au intrat in istorie, atribuite pe drept sau nu, si una potrivit careia "cei mai buni generali mor cu gradul de căpitan". Sper ca citatul sa fie corect. Parafrazand acest enunt, s-a spus, cu trimitere spre comandantii 22 SAS din anii 50-60, ca "generalii cei mai buni ies la pensie locotenenti-colonei". Intr-o perioada in care nu exista niciun esalon superior reimentului in materie de forte speciale, ofiterii nu isi gaseau loc in etajele mai inalte ale ierarhiei militare britanice. Nu existau, in Special Forces, structuri similare brigazilor si diviziilor din armata mainstream. Printre cei care au trecut in rezerva cu gradul de colonel dupa ce au comandat 22 SAS se numara si John Douglas Slim, fiul generalului care a comandat armata 14 in Birmania in al doilea razboi mondial.LINKLINKAcest fapt i-a descurajat pe multi ofiteri capabili sa opteze pentru o cariera in care ar fi pus accentul pe serviciul in 22 SAS. Situatia s-a schimbat, insa, in anii 70, cand regimentul 22 din armata regulata si cele doua (21 si 23) din Territorial Army au fost reunite sub comanda unui director SAS, cu gradul de brigadier. Sir John Watts, care a comandat 22 SAS intre 1970-1972, si a fost director SAS intre 1975-1978. Peter de la Billiere, comandant al 22 SAS intre 1972-1974, a fost director SAS intre 1978-1982. UKSF a fost creat in 1987 prin plasarea SAS si SBS sub o singura autoritate, la care s-au adaugat ulterior alte unitati. Incepand din 2008, directorul UKSF este general-maior.
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Am mai mentionat in alta parte ca in armata britanica nu prea conteaza gradul de colonel. Asta pentru ca la nivel de batalion, comandantul de este, ca peste tot, locotenent-colonel, iar la nivel de brigada, comandantul este brigadier. Adica ceva care nu este nici colonel, dar nici general. Situatia dateaza din 1922, cand a fost desfiintat gradul de general de brigada, al carui echivalent in Royal Navy, comodorul (Commodore) nu facea parte din tagma amiralilor. Numit, initial, colonel comandant, s-a optat in 1928 pentru denumirea de brigadier. Acesta nu este un general de brigada cu "o stea" ci un al patrulea grad de ofiter superior. Aceasta realitate se regaseste in ierarhia militara a aproape tuturor tarilor din Commowealth (mai putin Canada, care a elaborat un sistem propriu in anii 60). In tarile cu sistem diferit, brigadierul beneficiaza de tratamentul acordat unui general de brigada. Spre deosebire de SUA, unde colonelul are un rol important (fiind comandant de brigada/regiment), in UK, gradului de colonel nu ii mai corespunde niciun esalon de comanda. Prin urmare, coloneii petrec in medie cam un an in acest grad, inainte de a fi avansati brigadieri. Mai mult, unii locotenenti-colonei beneficiaza de o avansare accelerata direct la gradul de brigadier. Avansarea la general-maior dureaza, insa, uneori, pana la 6-7 ani. Motiv pentru care brigadierii sunt destul de tineri, pana in 45 de ani uneori. La acest fapt se adauga aspectul neobisnuit de juvenil al unor ofiteri britanici, ceea ce ii face sa arate ca niste tinerei pe langa omologii lor americani sau chiar australieni. Cum si gradul SOCOMD australian a fost ridicat prin 2002 sau 2003 parca, de la brigadier la general-maior, iar in SUA, comandantul USSOCOM este general/amiral cu 4 stele, britanicii erau ultimii ai caror director UKSF era doar brigadier. Pentru a nu ramane mai prejos, probabil, decat colegul australian, directorul UKSF a primit gradul de general-maior.
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Pai la nivel regiment ce grad are cdt in UK.Nu ar trebui sa fie colonel?Sau si la ei e ca la noi, si regimentele au iesit din organigrama, ramanand doar cateva, unele fiind direct in subordinea divizzilor sau chiar a smft(R30)?
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In armata britanica, regimentele cu exceptia celor de infanterie, sunt de fapt batalioane. Adica 'regimentul' de tancuri are 58 de tancuri (4 escadroane X 14 tancuri), 'regimentul' de artilerie are 24 de piese/18 pe timp de pace (3 bateriii X 6/8 piese), 'regimentul' de aviatie are 2 escadrile de atac X 8 elicoptere (vezi regimentele 3, 4 si 9 aviatie din brigada 16 asalt aerian) s.a.m.d. Reamintesc, ca, spre deosebire de alte tari, britanicii si statele din Commmonwealth au maiori drept comandanti la nivel de companie/escadron/baterie. Toate aceste regimente - de fapt batalioane prin dimensiunile lor, sunt comandate de locotenenti-colonei. Inclusiv 21, 22 si 23 SAS, care desi apartin infanteriei, nu au structura specifica (platoon- company-battalion) ci cea specifica armei cavalerie/blindate (troop - squadron - regiment), avand de fapt dimensiunile unui batalion de infanterie. In ceea ce priveste regimentele de infanterie, este o cu totul alta poveste. Batalionul de infanterie, respectiv parasutisti (care face parte tot din infanterie) este echivalentul regimentului din Special Forces, blindate, artilerie, aviatie, politie militara (ale carei regimente sunt divizate direct in companii, 'sarind' peste esalonul batalion), logistica, transmisiuni, geniu si ce-o mai fi. Armata britanica are in momentul de fata 18 regimente de infanterie active. Dintre acestea, regimentele de garda (Grenadier Guards, Coldstream Guards, Scots Guards, Irish Guards si Welsh Guards) au fiecare doar un singur batalion. Celelalte (Royal Regiment of Scotland, Princess of Wales Royal Regiment, Duke of Lancaster's Regiment, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, Royal Anglian Regiment, Yorkshire Regiment, Mercian Regiment, Royal Welsh Regiment, Royal Irish Regiment, Parachute Regiment, Royal Gurkha Rifles, Rifles si London Regiment)au cel putin 2 batalioane fiecare, dar NU sunt unitati operative, ci simple structuri organizatorice cu un singur drapel si ale caror militari poarta aceleasi insemne (foarte variate de la un regiment la altul). Batalioanele din subordinea regimentelor de infanterie se subordoneaza, pe linie operativa, brgazilor, care sunt comandate de brigadieri (aici, coloneii au si ei un rol cam obscur, cel de comandant adjunct, dar locul acesta ii poate reveni si unui locotenent-colonel care la nevoie poate beneficia de o avansare 'accelerata la brigadier). Insa regimentul din care provin aceste batalioane nu fac parte din nicio unitate operativa, chiar daca una sau doua dintre unitatile sale intra in organica unei brigazi. Din acest motiv, nici nu exista comanda operativa a regimentelor de infanterie. Nu exista decat o sectie administrativa coordonata de un locotenent colonel, numit adjutant (ofiter de stat major directia personal) al regimentului. Comanda regimentelor de infanterie este doar una onorifica. Colonel of the Regiment (comandantul regimentului) este un general care a servit, in trecut, in regiment, fapt sugerat de titulatura sa. De exemplu, Sir Peter de la Billiere, fostul comandant al trupelor britanice in operatiunea Granby (numele britanic pentru "Furtuna in desert") are atasat la titlul sau Late DLI (Durham Light Infantry) adica fost membru al regimentului Durham Light Infantry (desi cea mai mare parte a carierei a servit in 22 SAS, serviciul in SAS se considera doar o detasare din regimentul de provenienta, el ramanand pana la trecerea in retragere membru "activ" al acestuia). Fiind amalgamat regimentul sau cu altele, el a devenit Late Light Infantry (fost membru al regimentului de infanterie usoara). Desi general, la reuniunile festive regimentului, colonelul onorific poate aparea in unforma regimentului purtand gradul de colonel pe epoleti, nu cel actual de general. Unele regimente mai au si un colonel-in-chief, care este de obicei membru al familiei regale. Printul Charles este colonel-sef al mai multor regimente, iar atunci cand le viziteaza poarta uniforma si insemnele regimentelor respective, desi el are grad de general plin. Acestea sunt insa doar grade onorifice, nu active. Chiar si in infanterie, ofiterii poarta insigna regimentului la reverul vestonului si pe cascheta pana la gradul de locotenent-colonel. Coloneii si brigadierii, care nu mai apartin in fapt unui regiment, poarta petlita rosie, iar la cascheta/bereta, un insemn propriu lor. Spre exemplificare, voi posta o fotografie cu situatia din al doilea razboi mondial care, insa, este valabila si astazi, cel putin in ceea ce priveste tema discutiei.
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Cu click pe fotografie, aceasta poate fi vazuta la dimensiunile reale. Sper ca am reusit sa prezint ceva coerent si de inteles.
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Iata de ce difera cascheta/bereta la feldmaresal (grad care nu mai fost conferit, nici cele echivalente precum Admiral of the Fleet sau Marshall of the Royal Air Force, din 1994) de cel de general. Este vorba de emblema. emblema de feldmaresalemblema pentru general, general-locotenent si general-maiorpetlita veston pentru generali si feldmaresalcascheta de parada pentru brigadieri si colonei (emblema este aceeasi)petlita pentru brigadier si colonelcascheta de parada pentru maior si locotenent colonel de artilerie(la uniforma de parada se poarta brida aurie de circa 20 mm latime, cei din infanteria usoara poarta un rand de frunze de stejar brodat cu fir negru); emblema apartine categoriei de arma respective, adica Royal Regiment of Artillerycascheta mare tinuta pentru generaliAdaug, in final, ca generalii pot purta bereta regimentului in care au servit, pe care se aplica emblema de general. Spre exemplu, Sir Peter de la Billiere, ca general a purtat bereta bej, specifica SAS. Precizez ca in SAS si Regimentul de parasutisti, militarii, inclusiv ofiterii, nu poarta cascheta, nici macar la marea tinuta, ci doar bereta. Este valabil si pentru generali. Si cu asta, am incheiat off-topic-ul.
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pentru corectia multor informatii extrase de pe youtube, va recomand informatii publice si oficiale LINK , si nu lucruri traznite:History21 and 23 SAS (R) were formed in 1947 and 1959 respectively, and together with the SBS (R) and 63 (SAS) Signals Sqn have evolved into the Reserve (R) Component of the United Kingdom's Special Forces (UKSF) Group.MissionUKSF (R) is to deliver a Tier 2 SF capability in order to provide depth to the UKSF group, conducting worldwide operations in support of the Government's Foreign Security and Defence Policies.RoleThe role of SAS (R) is to provide depth to the UKSF group through the provision of: * Individual and collective augmentation to the regular component of UKSF. * Standalone elements up to task group (Regimental) level focused on Support and Influence (S&I) operations to assist conflict stabilisation. SF (R) CapabilitySF (R) operations require the skill sets and equipment to operate beyond the range and capability of conventional forces. The conduct of SF (R) operations predominantly focuses on Support and Influence and the provision of ground truth to achieve effect in conflict resolution.They require sufficient endurance, field craft, surveillance, communications, mobility and 'life skills' to work in isolation, whilst remaining in sync with multi agency effect across the spectrum of conflict.OperationsWhilst the MOD does not comment on the specifics of Special Forces operations, SAS (R) have made a significant contribution to recent operational deployments.Am I eligible for service as an SAS(R) Operator?SAS (R) accepts male volunteers aged 34 and below from any part of the Regular or Reserve Armed Forces (RN, RM, Army and RAF). Applicants with no previous military experience may apply, but must be aged 32 or below and may be required to attend the Combat Infantry Course (CIC) prior to attempting Selection.In line with current MOD policy regarding the employment of women in the Armed Services, service as an operator with SAS(R) is restricted to men.SelectionSAS (R) Selection and training takes 12 months with two intakes per year. The components of the course are as follows:1. APTITUDECandidates' physical and mental endurance are tested, as well as their ability to navigate by day and night over arduous terrain. It culminates with 'Endurance' - a 64km march over the Brecon Beacons carrying over 60lbs. Aptitude comprises: * 9 x weekends of endurance training. * 1 x week endurance training in the Brecon Beacons. * 1 x week assessment (Test Week) in the Beacons. 2. STANDARD OPERATIONAL PROCEDURE (SOP) TRAININGInstruction in UKSF SOP'S and tactics comprises of: * 9 x weekends patrol SOP's including surveillance and reconnaissance. * 1 x week live firing including patrol contact drills and Tp offensive action. * 1 x 9 day battle camp comprising: * Live firing assessment. * Field training exercise to test the skills learned throughout Selection. This culminates in Conduct after Capture (CAC). On successful completion of this training, ranks are badged as SAS(R) and are fit for appointment.Contiunuation TrainingCandidates who successfully complete Selection will enter a period of probation and must complete the following courses to be fit for mobilisation. * Basic Parachute Course. * SF Communications Course. * Main Training Period. When fit for mobilisation ranks will maintain currency by completion of UKSF Military Annual training Tests (MATTs) and attendance on one or more Main Training Periods around the Globe. In addition, ranks who are fit for mobilisation may gain one or more of the following additional qualifications: * Patrol Medics * Enhanced Surveillance and Reconnaissance * Languages * Emergency Close Air Support * Support Weapons * Close Protection SummarySAS (R) provides an opportunity for soldiers to work within a unique, independent organization which takes pride in its heritage, role and professionalism.Service is physically and intellectually challenging, but the rewards are significant. In addition to a strong sense of purpose in embracing the challenges of a complex world, SAS (R) provides challenge and adventure with the additional benefit of Special Forces pay rates.Whilst the Regiment contributes to UKSF operational capability in its own right, it also provides an excellent grounding for those who aspire to serve with the Regular UKSF.
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A French national who served with 22 SAS during the Operation Overlord in WW2. He escaped from France through Spain and Portugal finally arriving in England. He initially served with the Pioneer Corps before joining SAS at the age of 19. He served with the SAS as part of a small three man team consisting of an American and British soldier to harass German troops behind the lines. He now lives in a small village adjacent to Pegasus Bridge near Caen. Almost 900 United Kingdom servicemen and women will join thousands of D Day veterans in Normandy to commemorate the 60th anniversary of what remains the biggest military operation ever undertaken. The veterans, the youngest of whom are in their late 70s, will join other allied old soldiers from Canada, France and the USA to take part in ceremonies to remember those who gave their lives during Operation Overlord sixty years ago. LINK
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E ciudata treaba cu francezul acesta.Francezii aveau propriile batalioane SAS,botezate regimente.Nu erau in 22SAS,dar erau in cadrul brigazii SAS.Au luptat cu spor in Bretania.Apoi o echipa de 3???Cea mai mica formatiune stiu ca era stick-ul din 16,impartit in 4 echipe de 4.Ori este o eroare,ori nenea este cu adevarat ''special'',ori s-a intamplat un accident nasol de au ajuns in componenta asta multinationala.
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una din decoratii o ve-ti gasi la pag.5 medals_booklet.pdfnu cred ca mai pot exista intrebari, am sa incerc sa obtin informatii suplimentare despre acest "french national" pare interesnta povestea din spatele fotografiei.sper ca acest LINK sa functioneze (sursa foto) si este directinat din site-ul oficial, UK MoD
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Regimentul 21 SAS format in 1947 aminteste rememoreaza prin alaturarea cifrelor 2 si 1 existenta fostelor regimente 1 si 2 SAS din timpul razboiului. Regimentul armatei active, 22 SAS, infiintat in 1950, s-a numit la inceput Malayan Scouts.
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Regimentul 22 SAS reprezinta o structura postbelica, la fel ca si stick-ul de 16 oameni constituit din 4 patrule a cate 4 oameni. Efectivele sale si ale subunitatilor din organica sunt total diferite fata de cele din perioada celui de-al doilea razboi mondial. In 1941, la infiintare, SAS avea 6 ofiteri si 60 de subofiteri si soldati, 83 de ofiteri si 570 other ranks in decembrie 1942, pentru ca in 1944 sa ajunga la 2.500 de oameni. In ianuarie 1942, 1 Companie Parasutisti a Frantei Libere (1ere C.C.P.) comandanta de maiorul Berge s-a alaturat detasamentului L (acesta fiind numele care servea ca acoperire pentru SAS in perioada initiala). Aceasta a format Escadronul SAS al Frantei Libere. La 28 septembrie 1942, detasamentul L a fost redenumit 1st Special Air Service Regiment. In august 1942, la insistentele lui David Stirling, SBS intrase in subordinea detasamentului L. Desfiintarea Commandoului din Orientul Mijlociu a adus in randurile SAS inca 10 ofiteri si 100 other ranks. 1 SAS era constituit din 500 de oameni proprii, 100 din Escadronul SAS al Frantei Libere, 55 din SBS si 114 ai Escadronului Grec Sacru. Acestia din urma erau supravietuitori ai Armatei Regale Elene, numele acestei subunitati fiind inspirat din cel al asa-numitului Batalion Sacru (Hieros Lochos) care a avut o contributie decisiva in victoria tebanilor condusi de Pelopidas si Epamindondas in victoria asupra spartanilor la Leuctra, in 371 i. Hr, si al unitatii care, sub aceeasi denumire, a luptat intre 1821-1829 in razboiul de independenta al Greciei. 1 SAS a fost reorganizat in 4 escadroane, A, B, C si D; C era format din francezi, iar D era format din luptatorii SBS. Fiecare escadron avea trei troops divizate, la randul lor, in 3 sectii. In ianuarie 1942 a fost creat regimentul 2 SAS, deveni operational in mai 1943 la Philippeville, in Algeria, constituit din escadroanele A,B,C,D si Escadronul 2 SAS al Frantei Libere. Comanda i-a revenit fratelui lui David Stirling, William. Dupa capturarea lui David Stirling de catre germani, in aprilie 1943 escadroanele A si B ale regimentului 1 SAS au fost redenumite Special Raiding Squadron (SRS), sub comanda lui Paddy Maine, iar escadronul francez a intrat sub autoritatea Fortelor Frantei Libere. In ianuarie 1944, SRS a reintrat in subordinea 1 SAS. In martie 1944, a fost creata Brigada SAS, subordonata, insa, Corpului 1 Aeropurtat, motiv pentru care bereta bej a luptatorilor a fost schimbata cu cea de culoare bordeaux, specifica parasutistilor. Francezii si-au pastrat, in schimb, bereta neagra. Brigada era formata din regimentele 1 si 2 SAS, si batalioanele franceze 3 si 4, de fapt regimentele 3 si 4 SAS, redevenite ulterior regimentele 2 si 3 Vanatori Parasutisti. Compania Independenta Para-Commando belgiana a devenit regimentul 5 SAS. S-a adaugat G.H.Q Liaison Regiment, supranumit Phantom. In total, brigada avea 2.500 de oameni, dintre care circa 2.000 operativi. Brigada a fost desfiintata la 8 octombrie 1945. 5 SAS Regiment a intrat sub comanda armatei belgiene, 3 si 4 SAS sub comanda armatei franceze, iar SAS War Crimes Investigation Team, creata in mai 1945 a continuat sa existe pana in 1949.
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Scuze pentru neatentia din cauza careia apare redundanta 'aminteste comemoreaza'.
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excelente precizari in penultimul post Radu, felicitari!
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revin cu ceva istorisiri in completarea celor de mai sus, privind istoria comuna a celor 2 SAS-uri(daca imi este permis)LINKGeorges Bergé, le fondateur Avez-vous des hommes ?J'en aurai.Avez-vous des instructeurs, un camp d'entraînement, des moyens ?J'en aurai.Face à l'amiral Muselier, commandant les forces aériennes françaises libres, le capitaine Georges Bergé se raidit dans sa certitude. Dans sa poche, une simple feuille dactylographiée : son projet de création d'une compagnie de parachutistes. Un mot, un seul, écrit de la main du général de Gaulle, le remplit de joie : « d'accord ».Nous sommes le 15 septembre 1940. Le 29 septembre l'ordre général numéro 765 stipule :« A compter du 15 septembre 1940 est créée la 1re Compagnie d'Infanterie de l'Air des Forces Françaises Libres. Elle est commandée par le capitaine Bergé ».La foi inébranlable de Georges Bergé ouvrira la porte à la formidable épopée des parachutistes SAS de la France Libre.Mais qui est Bergé ? La trentaine, de taille moyenne, trapu et tout en muscles. De son origine gasconne il garde une incroyable ténacité et une certaine malice.Une immense volonté perce au travers de son regard. Ayant embrassé la carrière militaire, issu de l'école de St Maixent, le lieutenant Bergé a très vite compris l'intérêt de l'arme parachutiste alors à ses balbutiements. Volontaire pour la 601e compagnie de l'air, il doit, le cœur déchiré, quitter en juillet 1937 cette unité suite à une banale opération de l'appendicite. Le voici donc inapte définitif à l'arme aéroportée sans avoir jamais connu l'ivresse d'un premier saut.En 1939, au début des hostilités, il combat dans les rangs du 13e Régiment d'Infanterie de Nevers. Le 18 juin 1940, capitaine à titre temporaire, il est blessé à trois reprises au cours d'une résistance désespérée qu'il mène dans la région d'Arras à la tête de son unité.En convalescence à Mimizan dans les Landes, il entend le 17 juin le dramatique message du maréchal Pétain, mettant fin aux hostilités. Le bouillant Gascon ne peut se résoudre à la défaite. Il s'embarque à St Jean de Luz sur un bateau polonais et le 23 juin 1940 il est à Londres. Premières missions en France La 1re Compagnie d'Infanterie de l'Air (1re CIA ) comporte moins de trente hommes à la mi-octobre 1940. Issus de toutes les armes ou jeunes évadés de France, ils entament dans les camps britanniques un rude apprentissage de commandos et de parachutistes. Un premier contingent est breveté parachutiste le 25 décembre, puis un autre le 21 février. Dans la nuit du 14 au 15 mars 1941, une équipe de cinq hommes, dont Bergé, est parachuté près d'Elven dans le Morbihan. C'est la mission Savanah, première opération en France occupée. Le 5 avril, Bergé rejoint l'Angleterre à bord du sous-marin Tigris. Un second parachutage a lieu dans la nuit du 11 au 12 juin 1941. Cette opération, Joséphine B, vise la destruction de la centrale électrique de Pessac en Gironde. Elle est une totale réussite. La preuve est ainsi faite de l'efficacité de ces premières « opérations spéciales ». Le 1er mai 1941, l'effectif de la 1re CIA atteint la centaine d'hommes.Un centre français de préparation d'agents clandestins, la Station 36, est ouvert. Il est alors décidé en juillet de scinder la compagnie en deux parties : une section restera affecté à la Station 36 et formera des agents clandestins sous contrôle du Bureau Central Renseignements Action (BCRA). Deux sections, sous les ordres de Bergé, sont destinées à l'action directe en uniforme. Elles prennent l'appellation de 1re Compagnie Parachutiste qui est rattachée à l'Armée de Terre.SAS BrigadeLe long voyageLe 21 juillet une cinquantaine de parachutistes embarquent sur un paquebot britannique transformé pour l'occasion en transport de troupes, le Cameronian. 46 jours de mer pour atteindre Durban en Afrique du Sud. Puis encore l'Océan indien et la Mer Rouge pour finalement débarquer à Suez vers la mi-septembre 1941. Par la route ensuite, ce fut Haïfa, puis Beyrouth par le train, puis enfin Damas où, le 15 octobre 1941, la compagnie repasse sous le contrôle de l'Armée de l'Air sous l'appellation de 1re Compagnie de Chasseurs Parachutistes (1re CCP).Bergé fait reprendre l'entraînement, s'agite en tous sens pour mener ses hommes au combat. Il fait la connaissance à Damas du lieutenant Jordan, qui deviendra son fidèle adjoint. Enfin il obtient satisfaction et, le 31 décembre, la compagnie fait mouvement sur l'Egypte.David Stirling, le seigneur de KabritC'est au camp de Kabrit, sur la rive occidentale du canal de Suez que Bergé fait la connaissance du créateur des Special Air Service (SAS) britanniques, le capitaine David Stirling. L'homme est Ecossais, âgé de 26 ans, totalement anticonformiste. De ses 1,98 mètres, il dirige depuis peu la SAS brigade, issue de ses propres conceptions. Le nom est pompeux puisque environ 80 hommes forment l'unité. Mais le concept est révolutionnaire. Les hommes sont soumis à un examen préliminaire avant d'être acceptés. Leurs compétences sont variées et complémentaires. Elles vont de la mécanique aux transmissions, en passant par l'étude des armes étrangères, la navigation de nuit,les connaissances médicales, les explosifs.. Des modules hautement qualifiés de quatre hommes sont ainsi créés. Les missions dévolues sont uniquement stratégiques. Il s'agit d'effectuer des raids dans la profondeur du dispositif ennemi, d'attaquer les centres vitaux, les terrains d'atterrissage, les voies d'approvisionnement et, si l'occasion s'y prête, de recruter, entraîner et armer des éléments de guerrillas locales. Les facteurs « ruse » et « surprise » sont primordiaux. Les SAS doivent être capables d'utiliser tous les moyens de transport, du parachute au sous-marin.Insigne SASEntre Bergé et Stirling le courant passe instantanément. Les Free French sont acceptés. La brigade passe à 130 hommes.Who dares Wins (Qui Ose Gagne)Désormais le French SAS Squadron a trouvé les motifs d'espérer. Ses hommes portent l'insigne du SAS, poignard ailé arborant la devise Who Dares Wins. Ils regardent avec envie le « badge » récompensant les missions menées : une paire d'ailes égyptiennes bleu azur brodées de fil d'argent. L'occasion de combattre va leur être donnée.CrèteDans la nuit du 14 au 15 juin 1942, le désormais commandant Bergé avec une équipe de cinq hommes : Mouhot, Sibard, Léostic, le capitaine anglais Jellicoe et le lieutenant Grec Pétrakis débarquent sur les côtes de Crète. Leur mission est de détruire les avions se trouvant à Héraklion et qui, par leurs actions de bombardement sur les convois ravitaillant l'île de Malte, risquent de faire capituler ce pion essentiel allié en Méditerranée. Winston Churchill accorde la plus grande importance à cette mission. Plus de 20 avions sont détruits. C'est une réussite malgré la mort au combat de Pierre Léostic, âgé de 17 ans et la capture du commandant Bergé, de Sibard et de Mouhot: Malte est sauvée.La guerre du désertDans le même temps, en juin et juillet 1942, Stirling lance les SAS contre une dizaine d'aéroports en Cyrénaïque. Après des infiltrations sur les arrières ennemis de plusieurs milliers de kilomètres, les SAS attaquent. Les mitrailleuses Vickers des jeeps font merveille. Plusieurs dizaines d'avions explosent. La victoire est totale mais amère. Les SAS paient leur courage et leur témérité. Le 27 juillet 1942, l'aspirant André Zirnheld, pour ne citer que lui, tombe mortellement blessé par les tirs d'un avion ennemi qui a repéré sa jeep. Plus tard, dans ses papiers personnels, on découvrira un texte qui deviendra la prière des parachutistes :« Donnez-moi mon Dieu ce qu'il vous reste.Donnez-moi ce qu'on ne vous demande jamais ».Les SAS poursuivent le combat sans relâche. Les opérations combinées se poursuivent jusqu'en septembre 1942 avec les attaques de Tobrouk et Benghazi. Désormais, le capitaine Jordan assure le commandement du French Squadron et une deuxième compagnie est créée à partir de la 1re compagnie qui rentre en Angleterre.En janvier 1943, la 2e Compagnie Parachutiste S.A.S. se bat en Tunisie. Elle force la trouée de Gabès et effectue 34 destructions sur la voie ferrée Sfax-Gabès.Dans ces derniers combats, le major Stirling et le capitaine Jordan sont capturés. Ils rejoindront le commandant Bergé dans un camp de prisonniers en Allemagne. Bataillons du cielLa nouvelle brigade SASEn novembre 1943 sont créés, les 3e et 4e Bataillons d'Infanterie de l'Air (BIA). Regroupés en Ecosse en janvier 1944, ils vont désormais s'entraîner en prévision de la Libération du sol national. Intégrés à la nouvelle brigade Special Air Service (SAS), composée des 1er et 2e SAS britanniques et de la Compagnie de parachutistes belges indépendante, ils seront, sans encore le savoir, les premiers soldats alliés à toucher le sol de France.Le 11 mai 1944, le Lord maire d'Edimbourg remet au 4e BIA le drapeau commun des SAS avec l'appellation Forces Aériennes et sur lequel sont inscrites les batailles suivantes : Crète 1942, Libye 1942, Tunisie 1943.Une nuit avant l'aubeDans la nuit du 5 au 6 juin 1944, les premiers parachutistes du 4e BIA sautent sur la Bretagne avec pour objectif d'empêcher les forces allemandes de remonter vers la Normandie, lieu de l'opération Overlord. Quatre sticks organisent les bases de Dingson et Samwest. Le premier tué de la Libération sera le caporal Bouétard. Dix huit autres sticks (les cooney-parties) sèment la confusion dans le dispositif ennemi, frappent sans discontinuer convois et infrastructures. Entre le 9 et le 17 juin, le reste du bataillon est parachuté dont son chef le commandant Bourgoin, ancien de Tunisie où il a laissé un bras. Tendresse britannique : son triple parachute est tricolore. Le 4e BIA perdra un quart de son effectif en Bretagne. Des anciens de Libye, comme l'adjudant basque Itthuria, ne verront que l'aube de la Liberté. Les terribles combats du maquis de St Marcel verront combattre au coude à coude maquisards et SAS.Pour sa part le 3e SAS, sous les ordres du commandant Château-Jobert dit Conan, agit début juillet en Vendée, en Maine et Loire et en Charente. Ils tiennent le front nord de la poche de la Rochelle, multipliant les attaques et les sabotages. Ce seront entre autres les opérations Dickens et Moses. En août, ce sera l'opération Derry dans le Nord Finistère.La conquêteDans un élan irrésistible, en avant des forces alliées, les SAS vont s'infiltrer, par jeeps ou par parachutage dans toute la France. On les retrouve sur la Loire, dans le Centre, en Bourgogne, dans la vallée du Rhône. Partout ce ne sont que combats de rencontre, destructions de ponts, de routes, harcèlements d'une folle audace comme ce 4 septembre 1944 à Sennecey le Grand en Saône et Loire où le capitaine Combaud de Roquebrune à la tête de quatre jeeps attaque un convoi dans le village. Il y tue trois cents Allemands mais est mortellement atteint ainsi que ses hommes au cours du second passage dans le village.Le 1er août 1944, les 4e et 3e SAS se sont transformés en 2e et 3e Régiment de Chasseurs Parachutistes. Le 11 novembre, sous l'Arc de Triomphe, le 2e RCP est cité à l'ordre de la Nation et reçoit la croix de la Libération. Son drapeau reçoit les inscriptions Bretagne 1944 et France 1944. En octobre, les deux régiments sont regroupés à Epernay et Esternay. Tous les parachutistes portent désormais le béret amarante des aéroportés britanniques, offert pour leur bravoure au combat. Du 30 décembre 1944 au 11 janvier 1945, le 2e RCP participe à la contre offensive américaine dans les Ardennes belges. Il libère le village de St Hubert en Belgique et reçoit l'inscription sur son drapeau : Ardennes Belges 1945.Hollande, le dernier combatEn février 1945, les deux régiments sont regroupés à Owell-Park en Angleterre. Ils pansent leurs plaies et instruisent les jeunes résistants incorporés. Dans la nuit du 7 avril, ils sont parachutés en Hollande avec pour mission de désorganiser le dispositif allemand avant l'attaque du 2e corps d'armée canadien. Cinquante deux sticks sont largués sur 19 zones de saut. C'est l'opération Ahmerst. Deux sticks, à trente kilomètres l'un de l'autre, encerclés, ont refusé de se rendre. Leurs pertes sont lourdes : sept brulés vifs et quatorze blessés. Une nouvelle inscription ornera la soie du drapeau : Hollande 1945.Groupe du 2e RCP en avril 1945 dans les bois de Hollande "Qui ose gagne"« Le régiment c'est l'homme et l'homme c'est le régiment » David StirlingAvant que la brigade ne se meure, le 1er Régiment de parachutistes d'infanterie de Marine (1er RPIMa) est créé à Bayonne le 1er novembre 1960. Son premier chef, le colonel Moulié est également le dernier SAS en activité à le commander. En octobre 1962, il reprend le drapeau de la Demi Brigade Coloniale de Commandos Parachutistes (DBCCP) avec les souvenirs des SAS et ceux des parachutistes coloniaux.Bayonne, sa garnison, deviendra le passage obligatoire pour tout engagé parachutiste. Sur les traces des anciens, les jeunes parachutistes verseront leur sueur dans les montagnes basques. L'entrée de la Citadelle par la porte Royale, en petite foulée, est déjà un souvenir impérissable des bérets rouges à ancre d'or. Les douves se prêtent bien aux diverses pistes du risque, aux parcours de tirs et aux démonstrations d'explosifs. Ainsi va le 1er RPIMa dans son rôle d'instruction jusque dans les années 1975. Mais l'armée change. La professionnalisation touche les régiments. Des stages nationaux sont créés pour les cadres et militaires du rang. Les unités assurent elles-mêmes les préparations.Alors débute pour le régiment une profonde mutation qui le mènera peu à peu à s'orienter vers le renseignement et l'action. La création du Groupement Opérationnel dans les années 1974-1980 ouvre la voie à de nouvelles techniques. Les anciennes sont réactualisées avec des moyens et des procédures nouvelles. Ce nouveau groupement devient discret sans être secret. Il garde une profonde expérience coloniale en s'investissant dans de nombreuses missions d'assistance à des pays frères africains. Il intervient en tête de dispositif dans diverses opérations sous forme de commandos, particulièrement entraînés et autonomes.En 1991, lors de la guerre du Golfe, il forme un groupement de commandos d'action dans la profondeur qui intervient en Irak sous les ordres de son Chef de Corps, le colonel Rosier.Au cours de la prise d'As Salman, le sergent Schmitt et le caporal-chef Cordier sont tués. Plus de vingt hommes sont blessés. Une troisième palme sur la croix de guerre des Théâtres d'Opérations Extérieurs (TOE) vient décorer le drapeau qui lui a été confié le 26 janvier 1981.En 1992, la création du commandement des opérations spéciales fortifie le 1er RPIMa dans ses missions héritées des SAS. Le domaine RAPAS (Recherche AéroPortée et Actions Spécialisées) en fait un régiment sans équivalent dans l'armée de terre.En juillet 1997, il quitte la 11e Division Parachutiste pour intégrer le Groupement Spécial Autonome qui deviendra deux années plus tard le Commandement des Forces Spéciales Terre et en 2002, la Brigade des Forces Spéciales Terre (BFST) où aux côtés du Détachement ALAT des Opérations Spéciales (DAOS) et du 13e Régiment de Dragons Parachutistes (13e RDP), il poursuit inlassablement ses missions.Depuis sa création, la liste des interventions auxquelles le 1er RPIMa a participé est longue. Le monde entier reste son champ d'action. Citons sans chronologie les noms qui fleurent bon l'aventure mais également le sang et les larmes : Tchad, RCA, RCI, Zaïre, Congo, Bosnie, Kosovo, Comores, Yémen, Niger, Cambodge, Afghanistan ..Ainsi, fidèle à son héritage SAS colonial parachutiste, sous la devise « Qui Ose Gagne », le 1er RPIMa est résolument tourné vers l'avenir et sa place, au sein de l'Armée de Terre, est à nulle autre pareille.Le 1er est toujours le premierUne nuit avant l’aubeDans cette nuit du 5 au 6 juin 1944, des centaines et des centaines d’embarcations font route vers les plages de Normandie. Les 177 hommes du commandant Kieffer sont les seuls Français. Ils auront l’honneur de débarquer à l’aube de ce 6 juin qui restera dans l’histoire « le jour le plus long ».Mais cette nuit du 5 au 6 juin 1944, les premiers soldats alliés à toucher la terre de France sont les parachutistes SAS Français, les hommes du commandant Bourgoin, le célèbre manchot. Et cette nuit deviendra pour l’histoire « une nuit avant l’aube ».Alors que la plus puissante armée jamais rassemblée entame sa route vers la Libération de la forteresse Europe, presque incognito, quatre sticks du 4ème SAS, soit 36 hommes, répartis en deux avions Stirling, sautent en Bretagne, une heure avant que les parachutistes américains et britanniques ne se posent en Normandie. Ils doivent organiser deux bases permettant d’accueillir le reste du bataillon, Dingson près de Saint-Marcel dans le Morbihan et Samwest près de Duault dans les Côtes du Nord.La mission donnée, dans le cadre de l’Opération Overlord au 4ème SAS est contenue dans l’ordre d’opérations N° 9 de la brigade SAS, dont nous retiendrons le tertio, qui à lui seul le résume : « Vous couperez autant que possible, les communications entre la Bretagne et le reste de la France. Les troupes allemandes sont de l’ordre de 100 000 hommes ».C’est le stick du lieutenant Marienne qui a l’honneur d’être parachuté en premier dans le Morbihan, près de Plumelec. Mais par une simple erreur de largage d’à peine deux kilomètres il a été repéré par un observatoire allemand et un combat très inégal s’engage. Le caporal Bouétard est blessé et achevé d’une balle en plein front. Il est 0H25 ce 6 juin 1944 et indéniablement c’est le premier tué du débarquement : le premier parachutiste américain de la 110ème Airborne devait tomber une heure trente plus tard en Normandie.Emile Bouétard, parachutiste du Spécial Air Service, ne connaîtra pas la Libération de sa Bretagne natale qu’il avait quitté à treize ans en 1928 pour s’engager dans la marine marchande. Il restera comme la majorité de ses camarades un inconnu des historiens, un nom dans un petit paragraphe du grand livre du débarquement de Normandie. Inconnu comme l’ont été ses anciens de Crète, de Lybie, de Tunisie puis ses successeurs des Ardennes, de Hollande et puis encore tous ceux qui suivirent sous la devise « Qui Ose Gagne ». Sous tous les cieux ils portèrent et portent toujours cette devise. Ils servirent et servent avec « humour et humilité ». Mais leur plus grande gloire est d’être les premiers, toujours les premiers. Et cela l’Histoire ne peut l’oublier.Le créateurPremier comme le fut le capitaine Georges Bergé, qui débarque en Angleterre le 23 juin 1940, raidit dans sa certitude que le combat n’est pas terminé, qu’il commence à peine et que les parachutistes seront en tête de la Libération de la France. En Gascon têtu il a obtenu du général de Gaulle l’autorisation de créer la 1ère compagnie d’Infanterie de l’Air des Forces Françaises Libres. Celle-ci voit le jour le 15 septembre 1940. Ils sont moins de trente autour de lui. Rien ne viendra entamer sa détermination. Dans la nuit du 14 au 15 mars 1941, avec quatre de ses hommes, il mène en France occupée, la première opération aéroportée, la mission Savanah en Bretagne. Il sera pour cela le premier officier français décoré par la reine. Du 11 au 12 mai, c’est l’opération Joséphine B dans la région de Pessac en Gironde. Ce sont les premières opérations spéciales de la deuxième guerre mondiale.Le capitaine Bergé a maintenant réuni une centaine d’hommes. En juillet 41, la compagnie est scindée en deux, une moitié rejoignant la Station 36 qui formera des agents clandestins destinés à être parachutés en France afin de créer et d’animer les premiers réseaux de résistance. Le reste, sous les ordres de son chef, embarquele 21 juillet pour l’Egypte. Ils sont une cinquantaine et forment alors la 1ère Compagnie de Chasseurs Parachutistes.C’est sur les bords du canal de Suez à Kabrit, que le capitaine Bergé rencontre le capitaine David Stirling, un Ecossais anticonformiste qui vient de créer les SAS britanniques. Le nom est pompeux, ils ne sont que quatre vingt. Mais ils sont les plus atypiques soldats de sa majesté et très certainement les plus polyvalents. Le concept des SAS est d’une logique implacable. Il s’agit, avec des hommes, spécialement sélectionnés, instruits à toute forme de combats, entraînés au maniement de toutes les armes, de tous les systèmes de transmission, de tous les explosifs, à la conduite de tous les véhicules, capable d’être infirmier, mécanicien, tireur, navigateur, de mener des actions violentes derrière les lignes ennemies. Le nombre importe peu, seule la qualité compte. Soixante dix ans plus tard le concept est intact.Entre Bergé et Stirling le courant passe. Les Free French sont acceptés. La brigade passe à 130 hommes. Elle prend pour devise « Who Dares Wins » (Qui Ose Gagne).Dans la nuit du 14 au 15 juin 1942, le désormais commandant Bergé, avec une équipe de cinq hommes, détruit plus de vingt avions sur l’aéroport d’Héraklion en Crète, sauvant ainsi l’île de Malte. Winston Churchill, le premier ministre britannique, accorde la plus grande importance à cette action. Qui s’en souvient ? Ce n’est pas Pierre Léostic, dix sept ans, qui tombe au combat.En juin et juillet 1942, le French Squadron après des infiltrations derrière les lignes ennemies, se rue sur une dizaine d’aérodromes. Les attaques combinées se poursuivent jusqu’en septembre 1942 avec les attaques de Tobrouk et de Benghazi. En septembre les SAS forcent la trouée de Gabès en Tunisie et effectuent trente quatre destructions sur la voie ferrée Sfax-Gabès. Qui se souvient que leur action a épargné aux forces alliées débarquées en Algérie de nombreuses pertes ? Ce n’est pas l’aspirant André Zirnheld, mortellement blessé le 27 juillet 1942. Qui se souvient que dans ses papiers personnels on retrouva ce texte magnifique aujourd’hui chanté par tous les parachutistes français et devenu la prière du para ?Les combats de la LibertéLe commandant Bergé capturé en Crète, le major Stirling capturé en Tunisie, les rescapés du désert se retrouvent en Angleterre. En novembre 1943, est crée la nouvelle brigade SAS. Elle comprend le 1er et 2ème bataillon SAS britanniques, le 3ème et 4ème Bataillon d’Infanterie de l’Air français commandés respectivement par le commandant Bourgoin, qui a perdu un bras en Tunisie et le commandant Château-Jobert qui deviendra célèbre sous le nom de Conan, ainsi qu’une compagnie de parachutistes belges. Aux cotés des anciens, les évadés de France, les pieds-noirs d’Algérie, les Canaques de Nouvelle Calédonie formeront ces bataillons du ciel. Le 11 mai 1944, le Lord maire d’Edimbourg remet au 4ème BIA le drapeau commun des SAS que plus tard la brigade de parachutistes coloniaux héritera et transmettra ensuite au 1er RPIMa.Puis viendront les terribles combats de Bretagne, de Vendée, de Maine et Loire, du Centre, de la Bourgogne de la vallée du Rhône. Des dizaines de villages libérés, des milliers d’Allemands désorientés, incapables de replier en ordre sur l’Allemagne car harcelés sans cesse par d’invisibles combattants, pleins d’audace et fougue. Qui s’en souvient ? Ce n’est pas le capitaine Combaud de Roquebrune qui, le 4 septembre 1944 à Sennecey le Grand, attaque avec quatre jeeps un convoi et tue trois cent allemands, avant d’être submergé et de mourir avec ses hommes. La princesse Anne d’Angleterre, le 4 septembre 2004 vint leur rendre hommage, devant ce mémorial dédié à tous les SAS et en présence de leur drapeau porté par les hommes du 1er RPIMa. Presque le jour même ou ce régiment perdait son premier parachutiste en Afghanistan.Ce sont encore les SAS qui s’infiltrent dans Paris en pointe de la 2ème DB et qui les premiers déposent des fleurs sous l’arche immense au pied du soldat inconnu. Ce sont encore eux qui se battent dans les Ardennes Belges en décembre 1944 et janvier 1945, avec les parachutistes américains, pour repousser la dernière offensive d’Hitler.Enfin, ce sont les deux bataillons, devenus 2ème et 3ème régiment de chasseurs parachutistes, qui sont parachutés en Hollande, dans la nuit du 7 avril 1945 dans ce qui fut la dernière opération aéroportée de la seconde guerre mondiale.Ce sont les premiers et les seuls à recevoir le droit de porter le célèbre béret amarante des parachutistes britanniques, devenus aujourd’hui celui des parachutistes de l’armée française. C’est sur leur drapeau, le plus décoré de cette guerre, que le général de Gaulle épingle la croix de la Libération le 11 novembre 1944. Ce sera la seule attribuée à une unité parachutiste.Les bérets rougesLe 8 mai 1945, c’est l’ivresse de la victoire. La France démobilise les « engagés pour la durée de la guerre ». Le 3ème RCP est dissous et le lieutenant-colonel de Bollardière, qui a succédé à Bourgoin pour l’opération en Hollande, prend le commandement du 2ème RCP à Tarbes. Le drapeau des SAS, fort de six citations à l’ordre de l’armée, reçoit la fourragère aux couleurs de la Légion d’Honneur. Très vite il est dissous à son tour pour laisser place à deux bataillons SAS, formés de 70% d’anciens du 2ème et 3ème RCP. Ils forment la brigade de parachutistes SAS qui prend l’emblème du 2ème RCP et qui embarque pour l’Indochine. Les bérets rouges se battront sans relâche de 1946 à 1947 et gagneront sur leur drapeau la croix de guerre des théâtres extérieurs avec deux citations à l’ordre de l’armée. Leurs chefs, de Bollardière et Conan sauront inculquer aux plus jeunes, qui n’ont pas encore fait campagne, les valeurs des SAS.La brigade SAS donnera naissance à la 1ère demi-brigade coloniale de commandos parachutistes qui combattra sans interruption contre le vietminh jusqu’en 1954. Ses bataillons, sur le fanion desquels les lettres SAS sont inscrites en lettres d’or, se couvriront de gloire. Fiers de leur béret rouge, de la dague héritée de leurs anciens, de cette chimère qu’ils portent sur l’épaule comme un signe de ralliement, ils se montreront dignes de leurs anciens. Une trentaine de palmes viennent récompenser leur bravoure. Dans leurs rangs, les SAS historiques se battent et meurent. Mort le « mousse » Prigent, sergent-chef au 6ème bataillon de parachutistes coloniaux à Dien Bien Phu. Il avait survécu au peloton d’exécution en Bretagne. Mort le capitaine Legrand, le porte-drapeau des SAS, héros de Lybie, de Bretagne et de Hollande. Morts les Vietnamiens du 5ème BPVN du commandant Botella, l’un des quatre premiers officiers parachutés en Bretagne en juin 1944. Ils sont montés à l’assaut à Dien Bien Phu en chantant la Marseillaise.La fin de l’Indochine française voit la désormais brigade de parachutistes coloniaux quitter les landes de Bretagne que ses anciens ont libéré voici dix années. Ce sont les vertes montagnes du pays basque qui les accueillent. Ils se souviennent qu’à l’ombre du fronton de Sarre dort de son dernier sommeil l’adjudant Victor Ithurria, compagnon de la Libération, l’enfant de Bassussary, le pelotari, qui mettait une grenade dans un béret à soixante mètres devant un Winston Churchill ébahi. Ils rêvent de lui ressembler. L’Algérie devient alors leur nouvelle bataille. Ils deviennent les hommes léopards, « souple comme le cuir, dur comme l’acier ». Dans cette guerre sans nom, de 1954 à 1962, ils se battent et meurent. Mort le capitaine Graziani, qui a dix huit ans est parachuté en France avec le 3ème RCP. Il sabote les ponts et 84 lignes et cabines d’aiguillage. Il ramène ses huit compagnons blessés. Quatre ans de captivité chez les Viets n’avaient pu le faire plier.Le 1er reste le premierLe 1er novembre 1960, le 1er RPIMa est créé. Son chef est le lieutenant-colonel Moulié, parachuté comme lieutenant en Hollande, ayant commandé un bataillon en Indochine et dirigé selon les méthodes SAS plusieurs écoles de guérillas. Le fil n’est pas rompu, l’esprit demeure, les lettres SAS brillent encore sur la soie du drapeau. Le moule existe. Il faudra simplement le remodeler et l’adapter. La France les oublie. Les grandes manifestations patriotiques parlent de la 1ère armée, de la 2ème DB. Koufra, Bir Hakeim, Strasbourg sont des noms connus que l’on veut retenir. Sur les plages de Normandie on célèbre les vétérans du commandant Kieffer.L’affrontement est ouest semble inévitable et gloire est faite aux blindés, aux canons, aux missiles. Que faire de cette infanterie, même pas mécanisée, qui parle de guérilla, de camps de partisans, ou d’action derrière les lignes ? Le temps n’est plus aux raids audacieux, aux personnels polyvalents à l’esprit d’initiative poussé à l’extrême. La machine ne souffre pas le moindre grain de sable même s’il vient de Lybie. Eux seuls savent comme le disait Stirling que « le régiment c’est l’homme et l’homme c’est le régiment ». Il faut, comme le fit Bergé à son époque, se battre avec âpreté pour s‘imposer. Du groupement opérationnel créée en 1974 jusqu’à la guerre du Golfe en 1991, tout est fait pour préserver les valeurs héritées des SAS et des paras colo. Le sergent Schmitt et le caporal-chef Cordier tombent dans les sables du désert irakien et leurs noms apparaissent dans la presse. La France découvre qu’en tête de l’offensive alliée se trouvaient les paras du 1er RPIMa. Une neuvième palme est accrochée au drapeau et les ailes égyptiennes crées par David Stirling reviennent sur les tenues. Le concept d’opérations spéciales ressort des cartons. Le COS voit le jour.Le 1er reste le premier. Il est en tête de toutes les opérations au Tchad, en Somalie, au Rwanda, au Zaïre, en Bosnie, au Kosovo, au Yémen, au Cambodge, en RCA… Il est de toutes les ouvertures de théâtres. En Afghanistan, aux cotés des forces spéciales américaines, il combat sans relâche perdant quatre des siens et plus encore de blessés. Il fait partie de la première force européenne en juin 2003 dans la région des grands lacs au Congo. Il évacue et sauve plus de mille ressortissants en Côte d’Ivoire en novembre 2004. Ses chuteurs sont parachutés de nuit en République Centrafricaine en 2007. Il intervient dans le cadre de l’Eurofor et en mars 2008 à la frontière soudanaise le sergent-chef Polin tombe sous les balles. Le président Sarkozy lui rendra un solennel hommage dans les murs de la Citadelle de Bayonne. La croix de la Légion d’Honneur qu’il déposera sur son cercueil, rappellera aux anciens la même croix accrochée sur l’emblème le 14 juillet 1955 par le président René Coty.Et puis…Les parachutes claquent dans cette nuit du 5 au 6 juin 1944, comme ils claquent dix ans plus tard au-dessus de Dien Bien Phu et comme ils claquent encore au-dessus de Birao quarante ans plus tard.Les patrouilles SAS s’infiltrent dans le désert libyen comme elles s’infiltrent aujourd’hui dans le désert tchadien.Les sticks s’infiltrent derrière les lignes allemandes comme les groupes s’infiltrent dans les montagnes afghanes.Le corps meurt et l’âme demeure. Ils sont toujours « les plus exposés, les plus audacieux, les plus solitaires ».QUI OSE GAGNE est leur devise.cele doua unitati "surori" de astazi, poarta aceleasi tip de misiuni, sunt extrem de apropiate in pregatire si capabilitati.in fapt 1er RPIMa este cea mai "speciala" unitate a armatei terestre Franceze. rai266_selecrpima.pdf
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@SAS, acest clip video este incorporat pe pagina oficiala LINK (www.rpima1. terre.defense. gouv.fr) a 1er RPIMa- un regiment al armatei Franceze te rog sa nu mai faci afirmatii aiuristice!
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1er R.P.I.Ma este intr-adevar "urmasul" francez al LRDP-urilor si al SAS-ului lui Stirling. Deviza regimentului este "qui ose gagne" (who dares wins) si este deasemenea singurul regiment al armatei franceze "infratit" in traditii si tehnici operationale cu 22nd SAS. Am avut impeuna cu cativa camarazi ocazia de a face un stagiu de CAC (conduct after capture) supervizat de cativa ofiteri englezi. Niciunul dintre acestia nu a fost prezentat cu numele si nu s-a fotografiat cu noi. Procedura este valabila in Franta pentru toate regimentele apartinand brigazii de forte speciale si in Anglia UKSF. Foarte bine documentat acest post. Imi permit un bemol : 22SAS nu face stagii si schimburi de experienta decat cu unitati constituite. Nu exista politisti stagiari la SAS fie ei si Robocop in persoana.
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@190XXXImi permit un bemol : 22SAS nu face stagii si schimburi de experienta decat cu unitati constituite. Nu exista politisti stagiari la SAS fie ei si Robocop in persoana. asta incercam si eu sa subliniez, chiar si intr-o forma mai "agresiva lingvistic" , ce nu stii tu 190XXX este ca noi am rupt orice bariera in aspectul semnalat de tine, si avem stagiari la SAS , in rest teren viran
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Mi se pare un forum serios aici si de aceea va semnalez ca nu exista astfel de "schimburi" iar daca ati reusit sa rupeti barierele este desigur vorba despre barierele imaginatiei.Dar daca va face placere sa va autocongratulati nu este nici o problema. Foarte buna expunerea despre articularea unitatii facuta de domnul Patrascu.
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@190XXXRespectul meu pentru un legionar (activ) si bun venit pe acest forum. Nu stiu de ce unora (vezi hidenAnalytical) li se pare deplasat ca unii, mai participa la anumite stagii de pregatire in cadrul unor forte speciale. In cadrul programului de globalizare si la nivelul armatelor exista anumite programe de training comun intre diverse formatiuni. Daca cineva dintre voi cunoaste ca n-ar fi asa s-o spuna ... daca poate. Dupa cum stiti de cativa ani buni exista o colaborare militara stransa franco-germana (eurocorps), iar recent s-a format o forta aeronavala (euromarfor) care reuneste sub acelasi streag mai multe tari membre u.e., nimic iesit din tipar.
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cu tot respectul msimula 1. referirea mea era strict la un anumit user(nu vreau sa mai comentez despre!) oare tu crezi ca treci pe acolo si te apuci sa strigi in gura mare, eu am fost la ... (asta ar trebui sa puna mari semne de intrebare) si nu numai.sunt de acord ca multe forte fac schimb de experienta insa nu la nivelul de individ, ori unele dintre aceste stagii chiar nu sunt stiute decat in interior(in cazul de fata vorbim depre cei mai "necunoscuti" dintre "necunoscuti") don't forget, vorbim de SAS2. cat despre romani in stagii la 22SAS, categoric NU!(posibil, insa sunt foarte rezervat) ca ceva formatori sa fi trecut pragul nostru(noi la ei, mai avem de asteptat)3. am discutat cu ceva persoane care au intalnit in diverse operatiuni (in europa)operatori din UK MoD(nu numai SAS), fiind "avertizati" de catre superiori sa nu puna intrebari, sa nu interactioneze decat daca este necesar cu acestia, etc. aproape in permanenta acestia erau purtatori de cagula sau isi ascundeau partial figura, intamplarile se produceau in zonele comune ale unor campuri unde erau desfasurate aceste forte.
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Aveti dreptate Msimula,cooperarea militara exista si functioneaza. Se fac chiar stagii la CIA,chiar si FSB-ul face stagii,asa ca de ce nu ar exista schimburi de experienta si la 22nd SAS ?! Daca la nivel înalt portile unor servicii si armate sunt deschise la nivel de unitate operativa,mai ales în ceea ce priveste 22nd SAS,lucrurile stau altfel. Cineva care face pregatiri anuale de câte 2 luni cu SAS si la SAS -presupunand ca asa ceva exista- nu ar divulga acest lucru sub nici o forma. Ar cunoaste deasemenea nume si figuri ale membrilor activi ai unitatii ceea ce e considerat in UK ca fiind secret de stat. Informatia eronata (minciuna,pe romaneste)face mai rau decat lipsa totala a informatiei.
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Nu am sa mai dezvolt acest subiect, dar avand in vedere ceea ce am spus mai inainte, exista posibilitatea ca noi (militarii nostri) sa fi interactionat intr-un fel sau altul cu aceste forte (de altfel, cum ati facut referire). Intr-adevar la nivel de individ este mai greu, dar nu imposibil. Sa nu uitam totusi, ca printre luptatorii romani sunt indivizi care fac fata cu brio baremurilor solicitante ale fortelor speciale ale diverselor armate. Romanii care servesc in legiune sunt un exemplu, cei cu stagii in cadrul diferitelor forte speciale israeliene, etc.
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Ca un off topic dar in legatura cu fortele speciale : am avut un camarad care activase timp de 7 ani in fortele speciale sud-africane. Si nu a povestit despre lucruri din interior decat dupa aproape 2 ani ce i-am petrecut impreuna in aceeiasi compagne. La fel pentru cei care au cunostiinta despre Maybe Airlines la Sarajevo (operatiunea Salamandra).
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Referitor la contactele la nivel institutional al unei unitati romane cu 22 SAS, exista o referinta despre care cred ca se poate afirma ca este oficiala. "Numele Detasamentului de interventie rapida este imbracat intr-o aura de discretie. Mai in gluma, mai in serios, un ofiter din aceasta structura spunea ca este bine ca „oamenii sa fie discreti si... modesti". De asemenea, numai in acest an, prezenta acestora la Exercitiul bilateral „Blue Road", de la Portile de Fier, si la reuniunea de la Poiana Brasov a ministrilor apararii din tarile NATO va avea importanta ei pentru buna desfasurare a activitatilor si siguranta VIP-urilor. „Detasamentul de interventie rapida este structura militara specializata in pregatirea si ducerea actiunilor de lupta din domeniul prevenirii si combaterii terorismului, asigurarea protectiei demnitarilor militari si civili romani si a omologilor straini aflati in vizita oficiala in Romania, controlul tehnic antiterorist preventiv si interventia pirotehnica la obiectivele militare, precum si asigurarea pazei pe timpul activitatilor protocolare“. Aceasta este prezentarea oficiala a structurii. Dincolo de aceste cuvinte intalnim la fata locului oameni bine pregatiti si care stiu ce vor. Dar mai ales stiu ce sa faca, indiferent de situatie. Acest aspect este ilustrat de locotenentul Constantin Matei: „Nu este o aventura. Totul este planificat cu precizie. Trebuie sa ai respect pentru viata, sa nu produci victime colaterale. Aceasta implica sute de ore de antrenament pentru a trage, la nevoie, un singur glont. Riposta trebuie sa fie pe masura amenintarii“. „La noi, o actiune foarte reusita se realizeaza cand nu se trage. Nu trebuie neaparat sa rezolvi in forta problema aparuta“, completeaza capitanul Arthur Elisei.De altfel, modul profesional de actiune este mentinut prin taberele de instructie si exercitiile de pregatire care se executa in comun cu parteneri straini. „Am avut colaborari cu carabinierii de la GIS (Gruppo Interventti Speziale). Ca urmare, la exercitiile desfasurate in comun, italienii ne-au cerut sa actionam cu ei in teatrele de operatii. Noi am fi mandri sa mergem cu o echipa inchegata la astfel de misiuni. Am mai fost la pregatire in Israel, la Sayerel-Matkal, unde am invatat diferite proceduri de interventie antiterorista. Totusi, in opinie personala, cei mai buni sunt militarii de la Regimentul 22 SAS“.Sublinierea imi apartine.Sursa: LINK
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erata: ...ale unei unitati romane
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Membru al escadronului A/22 SAS (in stanga imaginii) in Bagdad in 2007, alaturi de un militar din US Special Operations
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Premierul Tony Blair în mijlocul luptatorilor escadronului G (care constituia, prin rotatie cu celelalte escadroane ale 22 SAS, Task Force Black, redenumita ulterior Task Force Knight) in timpul unei vizite efectuate la Bagdad la inceputul anului 2005.
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Cei doi militari SAS din imagine au fost capturati in septembrie 2005 la Basra, in cursul operatiuei HADITHA. Mass-media, in special cele de stanga, s-au repezit sa ii acuze pe cei doi cum ca ar fi intentionat sa insceneze atacuri asupra fortelor de ordine locale, pe care sa le puna ulterior pe seama insurgentilor. Este adevarat ca tinta o constituia un capitan al politiei irakiene, dar misiunea era doar una de observare/culegere de informatii, urmand ca operatiunea de capturare sa fie efectuata ulterior, in afara orasului, pentru a se evita un dezastru (morti in randul civililor, conditiile improprii de desfasurare a luptei din cauza aglomeratiei urbane). Ofiterul vizat era implicat intr-o serie de crime, iar nemultumirea populatiei impotriva abuzurilor acestuia era tot mai mare. Deoarece anterior fusese capturat un alt lider aflat in legaturi cu factiunile armate siite, politistii irakieni erau deja in alerta. Motiv pentru care cei doi militari SAS au fost observati si capturati. Au fost eliberati ulterior de camarazii lor, in cursul unei operatiuni cam 'zgomotoase', la care au participat si blindate care spart zidurile sectiei de politie. Putin a lipsit ca prizonierii sa nu ajunga pe mana unor insurgenti care i-ar fi ucis.
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O alta imagine surprinsa in Irak in 2007, in care apar luptatori ai esacadronului A/22 SAS, constituit ca Task Force Knight. Acest nume l-a inlocuit pe cel de Task Force Black in iunie 2005, cand la comanda regimentului a venit locotenent-colonelul Richard Williams, ramas in aceasta functie pana in decembrie 2007.
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Iata imagini inregistrate in Irak, in perioada in care 22 SAS a constituit Task Force Black/Knight, in subordinea JSOC. Identificarile unitatilor carora le apartin cei care apar in forografii sunt, de cele mai multe ori, greu de facut, daca nu imposibil. Oricum, am vazut ca ele variaza de la un site la altul. Asa-numitii 'SAS' pot fi, foarte bine, din SBS sau chiar din Special Forces Support Group (SFSG) sau chiar SRR. Cel care apare in pozitia centrala este britanicul. Poarta casca MK6 englezeasca, dar si camuflaj american. Tine o arma L119A1 (de fapt Diemaco/Colt Canada C8SFW). Este incadrat de doi americani din SpecOps.
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Este foarte probabil ca in ultimele doua fotografii sa fie membri 22 SAS, dar nu pot baga mana in foc.
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Dupa cum se poate lesne vedea, trooper-ii SAS aflati sub umbrela JSOC au purtat o mare varietate de uniforme. Piese de echipament militar britanic impreuna cu piese de echipament american. Si nu doar camuflaj US Army (DBDU, ACU) ci si cel specific USMarine Corps (MARPAT) varianta desert. Interesanta este preferinta pentru camuflajul MultiCam, dezvoltat de Crye Associates, marele invins in fata actualului camuflaj de tip digital ACU in competitia lansata de US Army pt inlocuirea uniformei de tip BDU. Desi armata a preferat ACU, cei din USSOCOM au preferat MultiCam. In cele din urma, US Army a acceptat ca toti militarii americani din Afganistan sa poata purta MultiCam, daca doresc. Competitia pentru alegerea viitoarei uniforme de campanie a US Army a fost relansata. MultiCam este preferata multora, nu doar US SpecOps. O poarta britanicii, dar si cei din Chile, Polonia, Iordania, Muntenegru, Fortele Speciale Olandeze, NZSAS si SPETZNAZ (da, chiar rusii). Britanicii au adoptat de curand noua uniforma de camuflaj, inspirata de Multicam, numita Multi-Terrain Pattern camouflage (vezi LINK.
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un sumar a faimoasei patrule "Bravo Two Zero Patrol" LINKBravo Two Zero was the call sign of an eight-man British Special Air Service (SAS) patrol deployed into Iraq during the First Gulf War in January 1991. According to one patrol member's account, the patrol was tasked to "gather intelligence; find a good LUP (lying up position) and set up an observation post (OP)" on the main supply route (MSR) between Baghdad and North-Western Iraq. According to another, the task was to find and destroy Scud (missile launchers) along a 250 km (160 mi) stretch of the MSR.The patrol was the subject of several books, firstly patrol commander Andy McNab's "Bravo Two Zero" (1993) followed by Chris Ryan's "The One That Got Away" (1995). Accounts in both these books, as well as the account by the SAS's RSM at the time of the patrol, Peter Ratcliffe (Eye of the Storm, 2000), did not always correspond, leading to accusations of lying from the media, the investigative novel "The Real Bravo Two Zero" (2002) by Michael Asher and a subsequent novel, "Soldier Five" by patrol member Mike Coburn in 2004.For McNab's conduct during the patrol he was awarded the Distinguished Conduct Medal, while Ryan, and two other patrol members (Steven Lane and Robert Consiglio) were awarded the Military Medal.Patrol Members * Andy McNab (pseudonym), DCM, MM, patrol commander, former Royal Green Jackets. Captured by the enemy later released. Author of Bravo Two Zero (1993). * Vincent (Vince) David Phillips, patrol 2IC, former Royal Army Ordnance Corps. Died of hypothermia during action, 25 Janaury 1991. * Chris "Geordie" Ryan (pseudonym), MM, former 23(R) SAS. The only member of the patrol to escape capture. Author of The One That Got Away (1995). * Ian Robert "Dinger" Pring, former Parachute Regiment. Captured by the enemy, later released. * Robert "Bob" Gaspare Consiglio, MM (posthumous), former Royal Marine or Parachute Regiment. Killed in action, 27 January 1991. * Steven John "Legs" Lane, MM (posthumous), former Lance Corporal of 9 Parachute Squadron, Royal Engineers and former Parachute Regiment. Died of hypothermia during action, 27 January1991. * Malcolm "Mal" Graham MacGown, BDSc, former Australian 1st Commando Regiment. Captured by the enemy, later released. Referred to as 'Stan' in the novels. * Mike "Kiwi" Coburn (pseudonym) former NZSAS. Captured by the enemy, later released. Author of Soldier Five (2004). Referred to as 'Mark the Kiwi' in the novels. BackgroundIn January 1991, during the prelude to the Coalition ground invasion of Iraq, B Squadron 22 SAS were stationed at a forward operating base in Saudi Arabia. The Squadron provided a number of long-range, similarly tasked teams deep into Iraq, including three eight man patrols; Bravo One Zero, Bravo Two Zero, and Bravo Three Zero. Asher lists one of the three patrols as Bravo One Niner, though it is not clear whether this is one of the same three listed by Ryan. This article refers to the Bravo Two Zero patrol.InsertionOn the night of 22/23rd January , the patrol was transported into Iraqi airspace by an RAF Chinook helicopter, along with Bravo One Zero and their Land Rover 110 vehicles. Unlike Bravo One Zero, the patrol had decided not to take vehicles. According to McNab's account, the patrol walked 20 km (12 mi) during the first night to the proposed location of the observation post; however, both Ryan's and Coburn's accounts put the distance at 2 km (1.2 mi). Eye-witness accounts of Bedouin tribesmen, and Asher's re-creation support the Ryan/Coburn estimate of 2 km (1.2 mi). While Ryan states the patrol was intentionally dropped only 2 km (1.2 mi) from the OP because of heavy pack weights, Coburn's account suggests that the patrol was dropped closer than intended to the OP, due to a navigational error made by the Royal Air Force. This could account for the differences in the patrol members' estimates.According to both Ryan and McNab, the weight of their equipment required the patrol to 'shuttle' the equipment to the OP. Four members would walk approximately 300m, then drop their Bergens and wait. The next four would move up and drop their Bergens, and then the first four would return for their jerry cans of water and bring them back to the group followed by the second four doing the same. In this manner, each member of the patrol covered three times the distance from the drop off to the observation post.Soon after the patrol landed on Iraqi soil, Lane discovered that they had communication problems and could not receive messages on the patrol's radio. McNab later claimed that the patrol had been issued with incorrect radio frequencies; however a 2002 BBC report discovered that there was no error with the frequencies because the patrol's transmissions had been noted in the SAS daily record log. Ratcliffe lays the blame for the faulty radios on McNab, since he was the patrol commander it was his job to make sure the patrol's equipment was working.CompromiseIn the late afternoon of 24 January, the patrol was stumbled upon by a herd of sheep and a young shepherd. Believing themselves compromised, the patrol decided to withdraw, leaving behind excess equipment. As they were preparing to leave, they heard what they thought to be a tank approaching their position. The patrol took up defensive positions, prepared their LAW rockets, and waited for the 'tank' to come into sight. The 'tank' turned out to be a bulldozer, which reversed rapidly after seeing the patrol. Realizing that they had now definitely been compromised the patrol withdrew from their position. Shortly afterwards, as they were exfiltrating (according to McNab's and Ryan's accounts) a firefight with Iraqi Armored Personnel Carriers (APC) and other forces developed.In 2001, Asher interviewed the Bedouin family who discovered the patrol. The family stated the patrol was spotted by the driver of the bulldozer, and not the young shepherd. According to the family, they were not sure of who the men were and followed them a short distance, eventually firing several warning shots, causing the patrol returned fire and moved away. Asher's investigation into the events, the terrain and position of the Iraqi Army did not support McNab's version of events, and excludes an attack by Iraqi soldiers and APC's. Coburn's version, Soldier Five, partially supports McNab's version of events (specifically the presence of one Armored personnel carrier) and describes being fired upon by a 12.7 mm DShK heavy machine gun and numerous Iraqi soldiers. In Ryan's version, "[MacGown] also saw an armored car carrying a .50 machine gun pull up. Somehow, I never saw that.” Ryan later estimated that he fired 70 rounds during the incident.Emergency PickupThe British standard operating procedures (SOP) state that in the case of an emergency or no radio contact the patrol should return to their original infiltration point, and a helicopter would land briefly every 24 hours. This plan was complicated by the incorrect location of the initial landing site. The patrol reached the designated emergency pickup point, but the helicopter never appeared. Ratcliffe later revealed that this was due to an illness suffered by the pilot while en route.Because of a malfunctioning emergency radio that allowed them only to send messages and not receive them, the patrol did not realize that while trying to reach overhead allied jets, they had in fact been heard. The jet pilots were aware of the patrol's problems, but were unable to raise them. Many sorties were flown to the team's last known position and their expected exfiltration route in attempt to locate them and to hinder attempts by Iraqi troops trying to capture them.Exfiltration RouteStandard operating procedures mandate that before an infiltration of any team behind enemy lines, an exfiltration route should be planned so that members of the patrol know where to go if they get separated or something goes wrong. The plans of the patrol indicated a southern exfiltration route towards Saudi Arabia. According to the SAS daily record log kept during at the time, a TACBE transmission from the patrol was received on 24 January. The log read "Bravo Two Zero made TACBE contact again, it was reasonable to assume that they were moving south.” However, the patrol headed north-west towards the Syrian border. C oburn's account suggests that during the planning phase of the mission, Syria had been the agreed destination should an escape plan need to be implemented. He also suggests that this was on the advice of the Officer Commanding B Squadron at that time.According to Ratcliffe, the change in plan nullified all efforts over the following days by allied forces to locate and rescue the team. McNab has also been criticized for refusing advice from superiors to include vehicles in the mission (to be left at an emergency pickup point) which would have facilitated an easier exfiltration. Another SAS team successfully employed Land Rovers in this role when they also had to abandon a similar mission. However, it is also suggested that the patrol jointly agreed not to take vehicles because they felt they were too few in number and too small (only short-wheel base Land Rovers were available) to be of use and were ill-suited to a mission that was intended to be conducted from a fixed observation post.SeparationDuring the night of 24/25 January, while McNab was trying to contact a passing Coalition aircraft using a TACBE communicator, the patrol inadvertently became separated into two groups. While the others waited for a response on the TACBE, Phillips, Ryan and MacGown continued to move through the darkness. Neither of the two resultant groups followed the standard emergency rendezvous (ERV) procedure they had been trained to follow and had previously followed the night before. Instead, both groups independently continued north towards the Syrian border.After the separation, Phillips, Ryan, and MacGown were equipped with two M16/M203 assault rifles and a Browning Hi-Power pistol between them, as well as at least one TACBE, and the night sight around Ryan's neck. McNab, Pring, Lane, Consiglio, and Coburn were equipped with their original weapons (three Minimis and two M16/M203s between them), as well as MacGown's Minimi (which MacNab was carrying, but soon discarded). The larger group carried at least one TACBE, and the Magellan GPS.According to Ryan, he was also carrying a 66 mm LAW rocket which he had struggled to free from his Bergen during the initial contact. However, according to McNab, the only item removed by Ryan from his Bergan was a silver hipflask, and it was McNab who was the only member still carrying a LAW rocket after the initial contact. Despite conflicting accounts, it is possible that Ryan may have in fact eventually ended up with McNab's LAW rocket, which Ryan later claimed to have used against an Iraqi 'Land-Rover type' vehicle, though this event is discounted by Ratcliffe who states that at the Regimental debrief, "[Ryan] made no mention at all of encountering enemy troops on his trek."Death of PhillipsIn the evening of 25 January, Ryan, MacGown, and Phillips left the muddy vehicle track they had stayed in during the day and headed North. Phillips was already suffering from hypothermia, and could not hold his M16/M203, which was handed to MacGown. As they continued, Phillips' condition worsened to the point where he mistook his black gloves for the colour of his own hands, and began yelling out loud. Eventually, Phillips' lost contact with the other two around 2000 hrs, and died a short time later. According to Ryan and MacGown, they both searched for Phillips for about twenty minutes before deciding to continue without him, while according to Peter de la Billière, only Ryan searched while MacGown waited. Ryan also indicated that he didn't know Phillips was necessarily dead when he wrote: "I hoped to God that [Phillips] was doing the same. That he would find his way down...” and later "there were still five to account for", though MacGown admitted he knew Phillips was dead at the time. Sergeant Vince Phillips, a nineteen year veteran of the British Armed Forces, and eight year veteran of the Special Air Service, was 36 when he died of hypothermia in the evening of 25 January 1991 in North Western Iraq.Capture of MacGownAt about midday on January 26, Ryan and MacGown were stumbled upon by an ‘old’ (according to MacGown) goat herder tending a flock of goats. After discussions involving killing the man, MacGown decided to go with him to locate a vehicle, while Ryan decided it was not safe to do so and remained where he was under the agreement that MacGown would return by 1830hrs. MacGown took with him Phillips' M16/M203, but left his belt kit in order to not “cut such an aggressive figure.” MacGown walked with the goat herder for about four hours before encountering a group of men with a Toyota Landcruiser vehicle. According to Ryan, McGown shot and killed an unarmed Arab as he ran towards the vehicle, followed by two more armed with AK-47s. Without his belt kit, he had run out of ammunition and was captured as he attempted to take the vehicle. According to McNab's account, the old goat herder left MacGown with directions to a hut, where he found two vehicles. After killing a uniformed Iraqi soldier attempting to reach one of the vehicles, "six or seven" more came from the hut, three of which were killed before MacGown's M16/M203 jammed and was captured. A ccording to an interview given by MacGown in 2002, he came across the first soldier near a vehicle:"I brought up my trump card which was "mohaba" and he said nothing, and I carried on talking and he then made a dash for the vehicle. I shot him in the head. A single shot." As more soldiers came out of the hut, MacGown aimed his rifle and fired but heard a click, indicating he was out of ammunition. It was apparent that Phillips never reloaded the weapon after the initial contact on 24 January. For reasons unknown to MacGown, the soldiers did not return fire, but instead took him captive.Hijack of Vehicle by McNab's GroupDuring the evening of 26 January, McNab's group of five commandeered a taxi by having Consiglio pretend to be wounded while lying on the side of a road. When the car approached, Pring, Lane, and Coburn came up from behind cover and surrounded the vehicle. According to McNab's account, the group evicted all occupants from the taxi and drove until they reached a check point, where Lane shot and killed one soldier, while the others in the group killed two more. According to Ryan's second-hand account (presumably taken from the Regimental debrief), the group were driven to the checkpoint by one of the Iraqi occupants of the taxi. They exited the vehicle with plans to rendezvous on the other side of the checkpoint, but the driver alerted the Police, and the group were forced to continue on foot. Asher's investigation supported Ryan's version of events with no reported armed contact and no reported Iraqi casualties.Capture of McNab's GroupIn the early morning of 27 January, McNab's group of five came into contact with local civilians and Police. Consiglio was shot and killed by armed civilians at approximately 0200hrs. Lane died of hypothermia later that same morning after swimming the Euphrates with Pring, who along with McNab and Coburn, was subsequently captured. During an exchange of gun fire prior to capture, Coburn was shot in both the arm and ankle.According to McNab, the four captured patrol members (McNab, Pring, MacGown, and the wounded Coburn) were moved numerous times, enduring torture and interrogation at each successive location. According to MacGown, however, "incidents such as teeth extraction and burning with a heated spoon did not happen. It is inconceivable that any such incidents could have occurred without them being discussed or being physically obvious.” News footage of MacGown and Pring taken at the time of their release on March 5, showed no evidence of any facial injuries and the members were described as 'in good shape' by a Red Cross representation.They were last held at Abu Ghraib Prison before their release.Ryan's Escape to SyriaRyan made SAS history with the "longest escape and evasion by an SAS trooper or any other soldier", to make it to Syria, covering 100 miles (160 km) more than SAS trooper, Jack Sillito, had in the Sahara Desert in 1942.
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Cateva chestiuni punctuale. A existat o discutie pe un alt topic cu privire la portul armei secundare. Nu emit in acest sens nicio opinie personala, nefiind militar sau membru al fortelor de ordine. Cei care sunt au facut-o deja in discutia amintita. Asa cum s-a vazut in fotografii, unii luptatori 22 SAS si Delta poarta holsterul pe vesta tactica, la piept, nu la picior. Este vorba de chiar combatantii acestor unitati, nu de cei atasati lor, proveniti din alte unitati. Acest fapt este confirmat de Mark Urban, in cartea sa 'Task Force Black. The explosive true story of the SAS in Irak', aparuta la Londra, anul acesta. p.138:"...It was after 1 a.m. as each man checked his kit: night-vision equipment, radio, magazines for their primary weapon, usually an assault rifle, and a pistol. The blades had formerly worn their handgun or secondary weapon low-slung in leg holsters, but by this time the fashion was for fixing a quick-release holster to the front of the body armour, just beneath the neck. In addition to the standard kit, there would be small personal add-ons. Some men, usually the sergeant-major among them, carried cyalumes, chemical lights that could be used to mark landing zone or an enemy point. One or two men carried shotguns or explosive charges for blowing in doors. Many sported knives too, although the SAS nevere quite adopted Delta's taste for fearsome fighting daggers."
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O fotografie a participantilor la operatiunea 'Bravo Two Zero'
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Acum as dori sa revin asupra unui episod, evocat intr-un articol aparut in presa britanica (daca nu ma insel, cred ca in "Daily Telegraph") care a fost primit cu o oarecare doza de scepticism. Este vorba de una din primele operatiuni ale razboiului din Irak din 2003, cand un escadron SBS a intampinat o puternica rezistenta din partea irakienilor. Cei din SBS s-au retras, lasand in mana adversarilor lor un Land Rover si alte piese de echipament. Episodul a creat oarece stanjeneala la nivelul UKSF si a provocat critici vehemente si ironii din partea SAS cu privire la pregatirea colegilor lor din Royal Marines Special Forces. Fiind binecunoscuta rivalitatea si criticile pe care si le adreseaza reciproc luptatorii SAS si SBS, totul a fost luat ca o poveste neverosimila de presa. Asta cu toate ca "Daily Telepgraph", publicatie de orientare conservatoare, are o buna relatie cu establishment-ul miliar si chiar cu Special Forces. Totul vine, insa, sa fie confirmat in aceeasi carte la care faceam referire mai sus. La 16 aprilie 2006, escadronul B din 22 SAS a intrepins un raid pentru a captura un lider de rang mediu din al-Qaida in Irak, numit in carte 'Abu Atiya'. Operatiunea, numita "Larchwood 4", viza o ferma din apropiere de Yusufiyah, localitate situata la circa 25 km sud-vest de Bagdad. Operatiunea a fost un succes, iar multi dintre participanti au fost decorati, inclusiv comandantul fortei de asalt, capitanul "Ewan". Imediat dupa asalt, ferma a fost verificata, operatiune care se numeste 'Sensitive Site Exploitation'. Printre altele, a fost gasita o arma de asalt pierduta de SBS in 2003, fapt care i-a facut pe cei din SAS sa ii numeasca ironic pe colegii lor 'Tier 2' special operators (fiind cunoscut ca SAS si SBS sunt 'Tier 1'). Se va dovedi ulterior, in cursul unei alte operatiuni despre care voi vorbi, ca ironiile la adresa SBS erau nemeritate. Dupa incheierea operatiunii "Larchwood 4" au aparut informatii potrivit carora Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (de fapt numele real al liderului al-Qaida in Irak fiind Ahmad Fadil al-Khalyilah, numele de lupta insemnand "Tatal lui Musab din Zarqa") nu era prea departe de locul unde au actionat britanicii. In cursul raidului a mai fost descoperita o videoinregistrare in care aparea Zarqawi in interiorul unei cladiri, vorbind cu subalternii sai. La cativa metri de el, sprijinita de un perete, se afla arma capturata de la SBS in 2003.
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Si cateva poze ale SAS realizate in opeatiunea Granby (razboiul din Golf 1990-1991)
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Acesta este 'Andy McNab'
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din cauza unora care "au cursuri" in SAS sau au fost in armata elvetiana sau mai stiu eu pe unde,de ceva vreme unii considera ca daca scrii aici pe forum esti cu capul.ca sa nu mai vorbesc ca cineva mi-a spus luna trecuta ca as muri de ras daca i-as cunoaste pe cativa care scriu pe aici.si n-am putut sa-l contrazic.io nu spun sa fie banati,inteleg ca unii sufera de anumite complexe sau au acumulat frustrari (pana la urma toti suntem oameni,nu?).dar nu se poate face o categorie speciala pentru cei care vor sa-si arate diplomele si decoratiile din SAS,legiune etc.?pentru ca atunci cand buruienile cresc prea mari,distrug si semintele sanatoase.si poate daca se mai curata mediul,mai multi oameni pregatiti vor intra sa scrie.in rest,le doresc sanatate!
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pentru cei care mai aveau dubii-min 03:00-02:50(afirmatie fost membru SAS recunoscut)enjoy
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Mi-a dat fiori de spaima favela. E un loc de unde nu ai nicio scapare daca esti atacat. Cel putin asa mi s-a parut.
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Sa ne amintim....cu precizarea ca pozele sunt luate de pe BBCIranian embassy siege: Met negotiator 'felt he failed' By Anil Dawar BBC News On 5 May 1980, the world looked on as the SAS brought the Iranian embassy siege to a bloody end in London.Six days earlier, Met police Ch Insp Max Vernon had received a phone call summoning his hostage negotiation skills. Here, he relives the events of 30 years ago:"I was part of the fraud squad in Holborn at the time the siege started but I had done the negotiation course and so it happened that I was pulled in. "I had no idea what had happened until I got there. The local commander had been using a loud hailer to talk to the gunmen but that was replaced with a military field telephone and we cut off all other telephone lines to stop them communicating with the outside world." Mr Vernon was one of six negotiators working shifts around-the-clock trying to achieve a peaceful end to the siege. "Our job was to get the gunmen to walk out without anyone dying or giving into their demands. We had to buy time for both sides. It was rotten. We would be pushed by the gunmen to get them their demands and we were pushed by our bosses to talk them out without giving up anything. "I only ever talked to one gunman, Salim. He was educated and very polite. He was the only one who spoke English. He demanded a translator and we got one for him but in hindsight it was a real mistake. "We later found out she was saying things we hadn't said, like they were all going to die. After two days we stopped using her." The negotiators never asked to speak to any of the hostages but Salim would force them to talk to the police. "It put pressure on us and created huge tension by putting hostages on our line. It was very unhelpful because we would have to lie to them and if a negotiator is caught lying they lose all credibility. When they were on the line it was our job to get them off as soon as possible." ExecutionOn Saturday, 5 May, the embassy's press attache, Abbas Lavasani, was executed by the gunmen. It signalled the beginning of the end of the siege. "Our bosses kept a lot of information away from us because that way nothing could slip out inadvertently. But once the Iranian diplomat was shot we knew it was all over and the SAS were going in. Salim also knew they had crossed the line. He didn't do the shooting which made him even more depressed. "At that point we started lying our heads off. We told Salim he would get all his demands. The important thing for us was to keep him occupied. At one point he heard a window break and said, 'Something's going on,' but I told him it wasn't and asked who he wanted to drive him away. Then all hell broke loose. We sat back and listened to it all. "How anybody came out of that place alive I will never know." The former negotiator, now 74, said the sudden, bloody ending to the siege left him feeling like a tightly-wound elastic band which had suddenly been cut loose. "At the end I sat down in the corner and cried. I suspect my colleagues were doing the same. "I felt I had failed. People had died. We were meant to talk them out without any shooting. I was in abject misery but the next day I was back at my desk. I was in a deep depression for months. "There has been nothing like it before or since. We learned while we were working on it and people are still learning from what we did, right and wrong." Later a police psychiatrist helped Mr Vernon understand he had not failed and that he should have been warned to expect the inevitable depression that followed the siege. Mr Vernon went on to run the Met's negotiation course from 1983 to 1986. IRANIAN EMBASSY SIEGEWednesday, 30 April 1980Six armed men take over Iranian embassyThe gunmen demand autonomy for Iran's Khuzestan region and release of 91 prisonersTwenty-six hostages include Pc Trevor Lock, BBC journalist Chris Cramer and Iranian diplomat Abbas LavasaniSaturday, 5 MayGunmen execute Abbas LavasaniTwenty SAS troops storm the building killing all but one kidnapper. One hostage also dies during assaultFowzi Nejad later convicted for his part in the siege. Released from prison last year, he successfully fought deportation to IranLINK
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Un articol referitor la sicanele pe care le-au avut de infruntat cei din SAS in Irak din partea conducerii militare superioare a MoD. LINKCoreland lucrurile citite aici cu cele aflate in cartea lui Mark Urban, 'Task Force Black', imaginea care se creioneaza cu privire la contextul politic in care opereaza 22 SAS nu este deloc incurajatoare. Fara a face trimitere la calitatea celor din acest regiment comparativ cu a colegilor lor din 1st SFOD-D, devine de inteles de ce fostul comandant al 22 SAS, Richard Williams, ar fi preferat sa comande Delta Force in locul unitatii sale. Repet, nu fac o comparatie intre cei din UK si cei din SUA din care ar rezulta un clasament pe cat de subiectiv, pe atat de discutabil, ci la modul in care sunt ajutati/obstructionati de factorul politic. Iar din acest punct de vedere, 22 SAS sunt net dezavantajati in raport cu cei din Delta. Voi revenit cu cateva exemple din cartea lui Urban.
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Conform recomandarilor administratorilor site-ului, voi posta, totusi, si textul articolului, pentru cazul in care link-ul nu functioneaza. Scuze pentru omisiune.SAS defied MoD to rescue two of its men held hostage in Iraq as top commanders 'prepared to quit' over ban on missionBy Tim ShipmanLast updated at 12:23 PM on 6th May 2010The SAS launched a daring mission to rescue two of its own men held hostage in Iraq against the orders of the Ministry of Defence, the Daily Mail can reveal.The elite unit was pushed to the brink of mutiny after it was banned from saving the SAS soldiers captured by militants because to do so would embarrass the Government.The astonishing edict drove SAS officers close to mass resignation, according to a hardhitting report by the Tory MP Adam Holloway, a former Guards officer.The SAS Lieutenant-Colonel on the ground, believing that ‘politically motivated’ commanders in the UK were ‘unable to make rational and effective decisions’, sent in a rescue team anyway – fearful that within hours the captured men could have been spirited away or executed.The rescuers blasted their way into the police station in Basra where the two soldiers were being held and saved them. Details of the incident in 2005 expose the shameful way the Armed Forces have become politicised under Labour – with political spin put before soldiers’ lives.Mr Holloway’s explosive account is supported by General Sir Mike Jackson, who was head of the Army at the time but only learned of the scandal later.General Jackson last night made clear his disgust at the way soldiers were asked to sacrifice their men for political reasons, shattering the sacred military covenant that no man is left behind on the battlefield.He told the Mail: ‘The story as you relate it chimes with my memory of the events. It was not only a brave but a very necessary operation to release those two captured soldiers. The British Army looks after its own. Underline that three times.’The two troopers were seized by militant Islamic militiamen who had infiltrated the Iraqi police.But a ‘very senior general’ at Permanent Joint Headquarters in Northwood, to the west of London, refused to approve the rescue mission.Ministry of Defence officials were concerned that attacking an Iraqi police station would undermine the Government’s claims that Britain was successfully handing power to the local security services.In a report on the Failure of British Military and Political Leadership in Basra, published by the First Defence think tank, Mr Holloway says: ‘The senior operational commanders in the MoD – a continent away from the frontline – repeated very clearly, and a number of times, that there were “more important things at stake than the lives of the soldiers”.’Explaining the reasons for the decision, Mr Holloway quotes a senior British civilian official in Iraq at the time: ‘The need to rescue the soldiers from an insurgent group embedded within the police force proved that our training and mentoring operation was dangerously ineffective, and in complete contradiction to the universally positive picture presented to Whitehall by the Government and MoD at the time.’That explanation was met with incredulity in the special forces. The report says SAS commanders regarded the orders as ‘politically-motivated deliberations’ that would only succeed in giving the insurgents time to ‘remove their captives beyond the reach of any rescue operation’. The SAS Lt-Col ‘told his forward based troops to mount the operation with or without approval. In the event, approval did come through – but the operation was already being mounted by the time that it did’.In a damning conclusion, Mr Holloway reveals: ‘The next day General Mike Jackson was told what had happened and was, reportedly, appalled. He also learned that had the authority not eventually come through the commanding officer and many of his officers and senior ranks would have resigned.’Mr Holloway’s account makes no reference to the SAS but it was widely reported at the time that the two soldiers seized were part of the special forces regiment based in Hereford.He reveals that the SAS Lt-Col later left the Army, ‘disillusioned at the degeneration of the moral backbone of British military generalship in the heart of Whitehall’. The MoD said it did not comment on special forces matters.'There are more important things than the lives of soldiers' said the voice in London By Tim ShipmanThe SAS commander in Basra was planning one of the most risky and high-profile operations in the regiment’s recent history when he discovered that the enemy was not his biggest problem.Hunkered in the nondescript HQ in Iraq’s second city, the Lieutenant-Colonel watched for the umpteenth time as footage of two of his men – held captive, beaten and bloodied – flashed on the TV screen in his office.It was September 19, 2005, and in a jail in the centre of town two SAS men accused of killing an Iraqi policeman were held hostage by militants who had infiltrated the Iraqi police.Three hundred miles north, on an airfield just outside Baghdad, a C-130 Hercules special forces transport plane sat on the runway, wind whipping the sand into a yellow mist.In the back, a squadron of SAS troops sat patiently looking at the crate of kit strapped to the floor of the fuselage, pulses quickening as they checked their Heckler & Koch submachine guns and C8 carbine rifles.A second SAS squadron in Basra prepared for the arrival of the reinforcements. Like any mission they had made speedy plans and moved into action with calm professionalism.But this time it was personal. The targets were two of their own. That was when the call came – on a secure line from a military bunker just outside London. The Lt-Col could not believe what he was hearing. ‘Permission not granted. There are more important things than the lives of the soldiers.’The voice was that of a senior general at Permanent Joint Headquarters at Northwood, the UK nerve centre of the war.That was when the Lt-Col realised that his biggest challenge would be the top brass at home. The men waiting on the runway were flabbergasted when they heard. ‘People were pretty fired up,’ one source close to the regiment said. ‘And then there was the let down. The CO was furious.’It was then the commanding officer made the decision that could have seen him and his brother officers hauled over the coals. The alternative, they agreed, was to resign en masse in disgust.He picked up the phone and made the fateful call. ‘We’re doing it anyway,’ he said. Minutes later the C-130 took off. There was no going back. BASRA was originally proclaimed a beacon for post-war Iraq, a model of how to hand over control to the local population.But now it was a hotbed of militia extremism. For weeks the SAS had been monitoring and infiltrating the Iraqi insurgent groups who were quietly gaining a stranglehold on the very police force that British soldiers were supposed to be working with to restore order.The operation had gathered intensity after six British soldiers were killed in attacks by militants. The crisis began when a group of special forces soldiers, clad in Arab garb and driving a battered civilian car, got into a shootout with Iraqi policemen at a roadblock in the city.One Iraqi was killed and three injured in the gun battle. The SAS men were seized and beaten by their Iraqi captors. They were handed to a militant militia group. Then there was the public humiliation of the TV cameras.The insurgents could not have chosen a better time to strike. The senior officer in Iraq was on leave, his deputy a staff officer without the clout to make the big calls. Brigade commander Brigadier John Lorimer – a soldier universally admired as an effective commander – had his hands tied by demands that he refer major command decisions to London.In the drab corridors of the Ministry of Defence main building, there was panic, but not just about the lives of the men held hostage. Operational command rested with an RAF officer who was allegedly playing golf. His highly-regarded deputy, Major General Peter Wall, was out of the office.The SAS commander’s request to launch a rescue mission was passed to Northwood. The judgment was that a raid would be both a diplomatic disaster in terms of relations with the Iraqis – but more seriously that launching the raid against Iraqi police who were supposed to be allies would be an admission that the British had lost control of Basra.As Andy McNab, the SAS hero of the first Gulf War who is now a bestselling author, puts it: ‘There is a very strong feeling from the guys on the ground in Iraq and now in Afghanistan that we have made a mistake by running our wars from 3,000 miles away.’In Basra, a delegation of officials and diplomats was dispatched to the police station where the men were being held, backed up by troops. They were quickly ambushed by a mob assembled by the militants who armed the crowd with petrol bombs. The scene descended into chaos.Two Warrior fighting vehicles were swiftly engulfed in flames. One soldier, his uniform ablaze, was forced to throw himself from the hatch of his armoured car and roll on the ground to put out the flames. It became one of the defining images of the Iraq occupation. He was rescued by colleagues and there was a tactical retreat.Then came rumours that the two hostages were going to be moved. SAS commanders feared their men would disappear and perhaps be executed. As darkness fell, ten armoured vehicles, packed with SAS colleagues, returned. They bulldozed through a 6ft wall to the compound.The special forces troops fanned out, firing stun grenades while helicopters hovered overhead. They found the men and got them out. No British serviceman was seriously hurt. At some point after the SAS commander gave the green light for the raid, retrospective permission was granted by top brass back home.But those who were there insist it was well under way before the agreement was given. One SAS source said: ‘The OK was given retrospectively because the operation was a success. But if it had gone wrong they would all have been completely shafted.’There was a price. In the chaos 100 prisoners escaped and furious Iraqis quickly demanded compensation for the damage caused.But insiders say the price of inaction for the reputation of the Army would have been higher. Just how serious became clear a day later when the head of the army, General Mike Jackson was told that the senior ranks of the SAS would have resigned if permission had not been granted.
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Sahmed SAS hero is a fake LINKA HOAXER shamelessly posed as an SAS hero and ex-Para to take part in military parades.John Pierce faked Army memorabilia and a forces past to convince real veterans he’d seen active service.Pierce ... in his civviesHe wore uniforms and medals awarded for bravery at Remembrance Day parades – and laid wreaths for “fallen comrades”.But he was branded as “disrespectful” and a “Walter Mitty” yesterday after it was revealed he had NO military experience.Pony-tailed dreamer Pierce, 51, won the confidence of ex-military men in Helston, Cornwall.He showed them “his” SAS badges, medals and a framed picture of himself in uniform.He claimed to be a pal of SAS legend and Sun security adviser Andy McNab.Pierce was allowed to lay a wreath for fallen soldiers at an Armistice Day parade in Porthleven, Cornwall.Sham ... 'veteran' lays wreathHe appeared as an ex-British paratrooper and former member of the Rhodesian SAS at other events.One ex-Army signalman said: “He claimed he’d been in the Falklands with the SAS and was best mates with Andy McNab.“But I knew something was wrong when I saw how rubbish he was at marching. He’s a con-man. His lies are disgusting.”Mike Collins, national secretary of the Parachute Regimental Association, said: “He’s caused offence to ex-members and the friends and family of those killed or injured in action.“He’s been disrespectful to our officers and soldiers.”AdvertisementQuantcastA spokesman for the now disbanded Rhodesian SAS added: “He’s just another Walter Mitty character.”When The Sun challenged Pierce, he claimed he had a TWIN brother who posed as a sham soldier.But he later admitted: “I’ve been a fool – no malice was meant.”-email-
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Este vorba de o campanie internationala începuta la data de 10 Mai 2010,de demascare a valurilor de impostori care inunda lumea militara de câtiva ani.Diferite asociatii de fosti combatanti (sustinute activ de actualii combanti) din Anglia,Canada si Franta au lansat o campanie de "punere a punctului pe i" . Îsi dau concursul ziarele The Sun,Herald Express,National Post,The Globe and Mail,Le Monde si Libération. Au fost cooptate,deasemenea,platformele Facebook si Twitter. E un lucru bun : la noi în tara,neavând o miza prea însemnata,impostorii o fac doar pentru gloria personala între prieteni. În alte parti,însa,statutul de fost combatant confera niste drepturi pe care fostii combatanti nu mai suporta sa le vada uzurpate de oameni ce sunt-în cel mai bun caz- mitomani. Operatiunea se desfasoara la initiativa unui fost membru SAS,actual sef de departament la "Legoland". P.S Stiti ce este Legoland ? Dar Walter Mitty ? Caci asta e numele operatiunii... .
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Facebook 'SAS hero' exposed as fakeLINKFool medal jacketLINK
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ACH Boribum wrote ... P.S Stiti ce este Legoland ? Dar Walter Mitty ? Caci asta e numele operatiunii... . ...sau,cum spune un instructor de la ei,cu detasare si umor : "Interestingly if all the men claiming to be SAS were to stand on each others' shoulders the guy at the top would be able to piss on Mars." Dar oamenii îsi vad de treburile lor,and life goes on...
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Boribum
Pentru sefii de subunitati interesate,exista posibilitatea de a participa la un raid anual alaturi de militarii englezi;germani,francezi,etc.,raid ce se desfasoara în Wales. Cambrian Patrol : LINK Mai multe detalii aici : LINK
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ex-ad
este imaginea postata de bori in replica anterioara, insa vad ca nu se autoredimensioneaza... bori, am rugamintea sa dai copy-paste textului...
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Boribum
Sarut-mâna,doamna,si La Multi Ani înca o data. Scutesc onorabilii membri de copy-paste si îmi permit libertatea de a traduce în doua vorbe ce scrie în rândurile acelea. Asadar : Walter Mitty este un personaj de benzi desenate care se închipuia pe sine pilot de vânatoare,luptator comando,politist,gangster...functie de secretiile creierului si imaginatia de moment. În jargonul militarilor anglofoni,expresia "Walter Mitty" desemneaza un mitoman wannabee. Este un termen peiorativ (e putin spus...). Paragraful 2 citeaza câteva cazuri documentate de impostori care si-au arogat,de-a lungul timpului,calitatea de former-i sau actuali membri ai Special Air Service. Pentru conformitate : LINK
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Boribum
Ca sa revenim la topic : unul din subiecte a fost deja abordat,dar sumar (desigur,este greu sa spui totul în conditiile în care obligatia de rezerva este înca de actualitate). Asadar,despre hrana primita de luptatori în timpul misiunilor : generalmente se compune din semipreparate liofilizate,dar conservele cu continut de apa peste 23,37 % nu sunt rare în compozitia trusoului de supravietuire.Deasemenea (si aici îmi permit sa spun ce stiu din experinta) armata britanica (datorita calitatii execrabile a bucatariei engleze per ansamblu) foloseste uneori ratii de lupta aprobate NATO de provenienta franceza. Iata câteva fotografii,unele primite de la cunostiinte,altele productie proprie. Nici un animal nu a suferit în timpul filmarii (sarpele a carui piele o vedeti a avut un gust bun,însa). Sa ne gândim la viata celor ce zilnic traiesc cu astfel de alimente,pe perioade de minim 6 luni si misiuni ce ating durata a cel putin 2 luni,an de an,pe timpul serviciului. Cu tot respectul.
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Cu tot respectul pt ACH dar.....pana acum, nu s-a folosit niciodata hrana de "rezerva" pt o perioada mai mare de 10 zile.......dar.....probabil ca stii.....are un gust execrabil......
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Boribum
Nu stiu cum e în ultimele luni,dar daca unitatile regulate folosesc hrana de campanie (hrana de campanie este cea în barchete,cea liofilizata fiind "de rezerva") în mod curent pe perioade de 20-30 de zile (mai ales în deschiderea teatrelor) în mod sigur cei de la S.A.S pot mânca aceeiasi hrana ceva mai mult de 10 zile. Dar poate gresesc... . Ma refeream la misiunea de la Goradze,cel putin (nu foarte mediatizata,dar cunoscuta). Postez si continutul barchetei standard (întâmplator,e "fara porc").
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Oameni cu ceva experienta si motivatie nu ar trebui sa aiba probleme in a trai numai cu asa ceva perioade indelungate.Legat de gust....este interpretabil.Au si chestii bune in MRE-urile alea.
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spk
In razboi numai fetitele fac figuri ca mancarea nu are gustul de la mami, barbatii mananca orice ii mentine in parametrii, de aia razboiul nu e pt oricine.
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challenger
Asa o fi,dar dupa cateva zile de MRE-uri ,te cam razgandesti ...
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ex-ad
am facut un pic de curatenie pe pagina asa... sper sa nu mai fie nevoie s-o fac din nou.
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Altair
spk cate laturi ai mancat? ma indoiesc ca pe la atm isi bat joc de voi. te-am mai rugat sa fii atent cu afirmatiile unde experienta proprie iti lipseste. deocamdata habar nu ai ce inseamna sa fii plecat in teatru si cat de mult ridica moralul o mancare buna, un dus cald si un corimec cu AC. daca ai ocazia intreaba-i pe cei ce au fost pri irak cat i-au ajutat conditiile de acolo. e adevarat ca trebuie sa ne descurcam in orice situatie dar cred ca si cel mai dus cu bidonu dintr aia care se viseaza rambo nu serveste duminica un MRE.
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Morocanosu
Ador MRE-urile ! I love to MRE You ! Serios. Mie chiar mi-au placut. As mai vrea si azi un bax, daca s-ar putea. Pensionar fiind, ar prinde bine cand ma duc la pescuit in stranded places, departe de civilizatie...Can you help me ?...(not for free, of course)....
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Altair
cauta la magazinele care vand echipament militar/pescaresc/vanatoresc online.Parca am vazut asa ceva.Daca nu, sigur la magazine de profil din uk de exemplu.
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Leul Alb
LINKNovember 1998 - SerbiaTarget - Stevan TodorovicStevan Todorovic was a Serb wanted for war crimes committed during the ethnic cleansing of Bosanki Samac, April 1992. SFOR, the NATO-led multinational force in post-war Bosnia and Herzegovina, wanted him arrested. The SAS were given the job.Operation EnsueUnlike other SFOR arrest operations, the SAS snatch mission took place within Serbia itself. Todorovic was known to be hiding in a log cabin in the Zlatibor region.Zlatibor Region, Serbia (google earth kmz file)Todorovic's location had been determined by Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) specialists from the ISA, a U.S. Special Ops unit with a role similar to the UK's 18 (UKSF) Signals and SRR.On the night of the the 27th of September, 1998, the 4-man SAS team, all fluent Serb speakers, stormed Todorovic's cabin. He was bound, gagged and put into a 4x4 and driven to the Drina River, close to the border with Bosnia. Once at the river, the SAS loaded Todorovic into an Zodiac-style inflatable boat and took him across and over the border where he was bundled into a waiting helicopter and flown to Tuzla for formal arrest.Drina River (google earth kmz file)In the days following Todorovic's arrest official Western sources confirmed that the suspected war criminal had been arrested by the SAS. This unusual official confirmation of SAS activities was seen as a deliberate attempt to let the Serbs know that they had nowhere to hide.On May 4th, 2001, Todorovic was sentenced to ten years' imprisonment.La care Tuzla se refera?Exista acest nume pt localitate si in fostul spatiu iugoslav?
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Da-Tuzla ,BosniaEra prea de tot sa fie Tuzla noastra ..
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Leul Alb
Se auzisera niscava zvonuri despre un joint task force romano britanic insarcinat a-l livra pe Mladic la Haga
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Leul Alb wrote ... a-l livra pe Mladic la Haga Ca sa-l livreze,ar fi trebuit în primul rând sa-l captureze. Oricum,unitatile astea de cautare mixte au fost cea mai proasta idee. Între TPIY,SFOR,ONU,Bruxelles...o gramada de rateuri. Un exemplu dintr-o suta : Westar. Poate sunt off-topic,dar îmi permit un gând bun tuturor elicopteristilor români care au lucrat în SFOR.
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Altair wrote ...spk cate laturi ai mancat? ma indoiesc ca pe la atm isi bat joc de voi. te-am mai rugat sa fii atent cu afirmatiile unde experienta proprie iti lipseste. deocamdata habar nu ai ce inseamna sa fii plecat in teatru si cat de mult ridica moralul o mancare buna, un dus cald si un corimec cu AC. daca ai ocazia intreaba-i pe cei ce au fost pri irak cat i-au ajutat conditiile de acolo. e adevarat ca trebuie sa ne descurcam in orice situatie dar cred ca si cel mai dus cu bidonu dintr aia care se viseaza rambo nu serveste duminica un MRE. Daca ai ocazia,întreaba-i pe cei care au deschis un teatru de câte ori nu au mâncat decât ratii de combat,inclusiv duminica,Pastele si Craciunul. Bun Corimec-ul cu AC ! Numai ca pâna sa ajungi în el,trebuie sa-l aduca pe el cineva acolo. Si aia care le aduc,la sosire gasesc...nimic. Dar cred ca stii foarte bine cum e.
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evident nu ma refeream la primii care au ajuns acolo si stateau in corturi de campanie in cel mai fericit caz.acuma, este pe undeva posibil ca cineva sa aiba o placere in a manca MRE.Dar sunt si oameni care gasesc delicios a manca muste si gandaci. Personal, prefer sa savurez MRE cand e sigilat.
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ultimele doua replici au fost sterse si nu ma faceti sa ma incrunt.
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Pe 'filiera indirecta' cred ca nu este off-topic Despre provocarile care il asteapta pe tanarul ofiter in 'SAS francez':Lieutenant et pourtant simple chef de groupe RAPAS Au 1er Régiment de Parachutistes d’Infanterie de Marine, les lieutenants ne sont pas, au moins dans un premier temps, des chefs de section comme partout ailleurs, mais, et cela peut sembler réducteur, ils occupent la fonction de chef de groupe RAPAS. C’est une des nombreuses spécificités, de l’unique régiment des troupes de marine de la BFST . Pour un lieutenant à qui, depuis le tout début de sa scolarité on a associé dans son esprit comme seul périmètre possible de ses responsabilités à sa sortie d’école, le volume d’une section, se voir confier un petit groupe peut sembler déconcertant. Pour autant, par-delà un univers singulier en termes de spécialisations, de missions, de matériels et d’armements, la problématique du commandement est toujours la même : donner des ordres en s’assurant que nos subordonnés aient les moyens de les mettre en œuvre, contrôler leur exécution, rendre compte, tout en s’efforçant de créer un climat de confiance réciproque, d’adhésion voire de sérénité.Pour mieux appréhender les multiples facettes de cette fonction « chef de groupe RAPAS », il faut décrire les contours de l’environnement dans lequel le lieutenant est amené à commander et imaginer les missions qu’il doit assumer en opération à travers les formations et les entraînements suivis tout au long de l’année.Vous l’aurez compris, à Bayonne l’échelon de combat immédiatement inférieur à la compagnie est le groupe, au nombre de huit par unité élémentaire. Le lieutenant, au terme d’une intense période de formation et d’intégration qui débute dés son arrivée et qui est partagée avec les sous-officiers qui ont la même vocation (4 mois), prend les fonctions de chef de groupe. Chaque groupe possède les savoir-faire communs aux opérations spéciales avec plusieurs spécialités complémentaires (chute opérationnelle à plus ou moins grande hauteur, reconnaissance spéciale, tir de haute précision, contre-terrorisme, patrouille profonde,…) qui garantissent à l’employeur, maîtrise et efficacité dans tous les milieux et quelque que soit le mode de mise en place.Aussi, commander dix à douze équipiers, multi-qualifiés, très expérimentés et de tout grade, revêt quelques particularismes comparés à une section de quarante soldats.L’esprit d’équipe, d’abord, est particulièrement marqué, chaque groupe allant même jusqu’à développer une « identité » propre, souvent source d’une saine émulation. Tous les membres du groupe se connaissent parfaitement (et même familialement) et de nombreux automatismes apparaissent ainsi naturellement. Les relations hiérarchiques sont moins empruntes de formalisme au quotidien, même si tous se tournent vers le chef quand vient l’heure des choix. Il existe bien une hiérarchie interne au groupe, mais chacun peut être amené à se trouver « leader » ponctuellement, en fonction de ses compétences spécifiques. Jusqu’à l’échelon le plus bas, chacun doit être capable d’autonomie et oser les initiatives et lorsque après analyse elles s’avèrent mauvaises, elles sont systématiquement réétudiées dans une « 3 alpha » qui se doit d’être pédagogique. L’objectif n’est pas de « paralyser » les initiatives, mais bien de développer l’intelligence de situation qui nous est chère.Une autre caractéristique de « l’univers RAPAS » est la diversité du personnel (de toutes armes et de toutes origines) dont la spécialisation est poussée à l’extrême. Au sein de mon groupe par exemple, les équipiers ont des qualifications individuelles très variées : moniteur de tir de combat sur différentes armes (HK 416, M4, SIG, ERYX, minimi, FRF2, HK417), spécialiste en explosifs (issu du génie combat), spécialiste en effraction douce et sabotage, garde du corps, transmetteur, auxiliaire sanitaire, chef de détachement haute montagne (issu de la BIM), spécialiste jungle (Manaus), marqueur de zone de saut et largueur avions et hélicos, ainsi que spécialiste photos. Chacun apporte ses connaissances et son expérience dans ses spécialités, le but étant de former une entité autonome, capable de remplir toutes les missions.Cette spécialisation accrue a un impact évident sur le style de commandement, car le chef de groupe doit être familiarisé avec l’ensemble des capacités de ses hommes, mais il ne peut raisonnablement être spécialiste dans chaque domaine. Ainsi lors de l’élaboration du mode d’action, chacun intervient activement afin d’étudier la solution la plus adaptée, chacun est concerné, chacun est consulté. Ce système peut sembler laxiste ou démagogique, mais il permet en réalité d’exploiter au mieux la richesse de chaque individu à travers sa diversité. Il repose sur l’implication de tous, il valorise chaque membre du groupe, il donne à chacun le sentiment d’exister à travers les autres, il favorise l’adhésion de tous au même objectif, même si, in fine, le chef doit toujours prendre la décision et assumer ses responsabilités. Ce style de commandement impose au jeune chef une réactivité, une humilité et une intelligence de situation qui sont cruciales pour l’exercice de son autorité, il permet à chaque membre du groupe de comprendre, non seulement la lettre de la mission mais aussi et surtout, l’esprit.L’environnement spécifique du groupe RAPAS étant brossé, intéressons-nous au travail au quotidien, à l’entraînement et à la formation.Au quartier, la première caractéristique donnant tout son attrait à la fonction de chef de groupe est l’autonomie dont il dispose dans la planification, comme dans la conduite de son entraînement. En effet, chaque groupe fonctionne sur le principe du « rendez-vous sur objectif », et comme pour les échelons inférieurs, le chef de groupe est ainsi responsabilisé au maximum. Hormis les départs en opération qui sont souvent inopinés, les exercices de niveau brigade et régiment ou les séquences d’entrainement à l’étranger (jungle par exemple) qui sont imposés, chaque chef de groupe se doit de créer son emploi du temps annuel après avoir intégré les directives et les contraintes du commandant d’unité.Pour entretenir toutes ces spécialités, il faut procéder par séquences d’entraînement successives : deux semaines à dominante combat motorisé, trois semaines de combat en milieu clos, une semaine « 3ème dimension » (sauts, aérocordage), deux semaines de combat en montagne, ...etc. Le tir est quasi quotidien, tout comme le sport pratiqué avec la plus grande diversité (sport de combat, escalade, VTT, run and bike, ….). L’exploitation des infrastructures de l’armée de Terre : camps (Souge, Caylus), Centre de Tir Adapté de Pau, Centre National d’Entrainement Commando ou chalets de montagne, est privilégiée, le plus souvent en totale autonomie et à l’échelle du groupe. Par ailleurs, une grande diversité de stages (internes au régiment ou nationaux) permet régulièrement à nos équipiers d’accroître leurs qualifications (pas moins de 70 actions de formation sont aujourd’hui répertoriées au régiment). Enfin nous sommes amenés à participer aux échanges bilatéraux organisés dans nos domaines de spécialités : Suède pour le combat en milieu froid ou le combat en zone urbaine, Suisse pour le tir de précision par exemple.Ces formations complémentaires sont essentielles pour développer la polyvalence et la richesse du groupe, elles évitent toute monotonie entre deux missions, elles obligent la remise en question, elles valorisent les parcours professionnels.Ainsi constitué, le groupe RAPAS est prêt, sur très court préavis, à être engagé sur tous les fronts.Pour conclure, la diversité des missions, la variété et la qualité des moyens, mais surtout le niveau technique, physique et intellectuel de mes hommes, font de ce métier de chef de groupe RAPAS, une tâche exigeante mais exaltante, que je n’échangerai pour rien au monde !Cependant, le temps est compté, trois petites années seulement, avant de découvrir d’autres horizons en séjour outre-mer ou en école de formation en espérant, peut-être, revenir un jour, pour, comme les autres lieutenants ou jeunes capitaines d’autres formations, commander enfin plusieurs groupes !En attendant, mon groupe est prêt, prévenu à 19h15, le C130 du COS doit se poser à 23h00 et je l’attends sur l’aéroport. J’ai perçu mes armes et munitions avec 3 jours d’autonomie, je ne connais pas la destination, ni la mission…. sursa: LINK
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RAPAS - Cercetare Aeropurtata si Actiuni Specializate. Specialitate a 1°RPIMa (regiment parasutist de infanterie marina). Ca o bizarerie a traditiei,1°RPIMa si Commando-Marine sunt singurele unitati din armata franceza care defileaza cu cimpoieri (traditie luata de la britanici). 1°R.P.I.Ma sunt într-adevar forte speciale,si fac aici mentiunea ca niciodat un strain nu a integrat acel regiment,nici macar cel mai super-legionar fantastic extraordinar : fiecare echipier RAPAS este abilitat pentru nivelul de secretizare SD (secret défense,echivalentul SSID de la noi) ceea ce este imposibil pentru un strain (chiar si naturalizat). În alta ordine de idei,schimburile de experienta între SAS si 1°R.P.I.Ma se fac la nivel de stat-major regimentar : echipierii sunt la nivelul executie,si acolo nu exista "plimbari" de la unii la altii. Gradul militar,la 1°R.P.I.Ma, nu spune aproape nimic : exista acolo adjudanti sefi de echipa infiltrare care au în subordine locotenenti-infirmieri sau transmisionisti. Ca detaliu "picant" : toti ofiterii care integreaza 1°R.P.I.Ma fac stagiul R.A.P.A.S si primesc (sau nu) brevetul. Instructia este asigurata de sergenti,sergenti sefi sau adjudanti. Uneori e nostim sa-i auzi pe instructori întrebând un cursant (locotenent sau capitan) daca au fost vreodata militari sau au intrat acolo pentru ca era lumina aprinsa (clacheaza,si e firesc). În timpul stagiului RAPAS,timp de 6 luni,pentru exercitiile CAC,se folosesc subofiteri legionari care întruchipeaza inamicul (niciodata un rus nu va fi mai bine jucat decât de catre un rus ) Si uite asa,un tânar ofiter de la 1°R.P.I.Ma ajunge sa fie instruit (si de catre) un fost locotenent-major din Spetznaz si un fost maior OMON. Si altii...
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Radu Patrascu
Din pagina web a regimentului nu am inteles prea bine daca se cere ca recrutii, in special ofiteri, sa aiba o durata minima de serviciu militar inainte de aplica pentru formarea RAPAS. Mi se pare cam greu de crezut sa accepti proaspeti absolventi de Saint Cyr direct la selectie.
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Boribum
Sunt admisi si ofiteri proaspat iesiti din Cyr. Ofiterii proveniti din filiera directa (ESM) sau indirecta (EMIA) trebuie sa treaca un examen de « agrement fizic » în timpul ultimului lor an de scoala si sa fie voluntari pentru 1°R.P.I.Ma. Apoi,functie de clasamentul lor la terminarea scolii,pot obtine repartizarea în regiment. Dupa ce obtin repartizarea,merg în scoala de aplicatie a armei lor de apartenenta.Termina scoala,si abia apoi ajung în regiment. Dupa ce vin ca proaspeti absolventi de scoala de aplicatie,fac cam 3 ani de curs înainte de a ajunge în companie. Cursul începe cu stagiul Rapière si se termina cu stagiul Yatagan…iar eu termin aici pentru ca discutia e prea on topic pe de o parte si off-topic pe de alta.
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Radu Patrascu
Multumesc, Boribum.
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Îti multumesc,eu. Si scuze pentru aducerea subiectului de partea buna a Canalului Mânecii...
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From Times OnlineJune 8, 2010Is that the sound of donkeys in Whitehall?The accusation is grave: a ‘yes minister’ culture among the generals led to failure in HelmandAnthony Loyd Underpaid and overstretched 'ill equipped and badly quartered' misunderstood and valued cheap — Britain’s soldiery have had it bad these past seven years of war. Now, it seems, troops have one more burden to add to the list under which they labour: among their generals lurk donkeys in disguise.The stinging observation that British troops were “lions led by donkeys” was first made during the First World War. But now senior field commanders in southern Afghanistan say that the trit-trot of hooves can be heard echoing once again along the corridors of Whitehall and Northwood’s Permanent Joint Headquarters.The accusations aimed at the highest levels of Britain’s military command are grave. They reverse much of the received wisdom that the Labour Government, stingy in every allocation of manpower, resource and equipment, spendthrift only in soldiers’ lives, was solely responsible for the misfortunes endured by our Army in Helmand.Carelessness, arrogance and a reluctance to learn from the mistakes of Iraq appear to have shadowed every step of the Army’s planning for the Helmand mission. Most serious among the charges made by senior officers who spoke to The Times during an investigation into the Helmand operation is that the top brass has become more malleable to political whim than loyal to the interests of their troops. This “yes minister” culture allowed troops to be sent to southern Afghanistan without a defined mission or proper resources.There were warnings against sending an underresourced Task Force to Helmand a year before troops arrived there. An SAS report in 2005 cautioned against a light deployment, noting the likelihood of heavy resistance. Service chiefs ignored it. They apparently found it acceptable to send a small number of troops on a mission that was guaranteed to upset the delicate balance between warlords, narco-barons and the Taleban. It was only after 16 Air Assault Brigade fought a series of savage defensive battles far from their original intended “development zone” that generals cried that they lacked the right resources.The absence of strident generalship has been felt far beyond the battlefield. As one senior officer observed, it was left to media campaigns to improve the lot of wounded soldiers being treated in Selly Oak and Headley Court.“Our operational level of command has consistently failed,” raged one former commanding officer with extensive Afghan experience. “You have a Cold War generation of generals who had no idea how to operate in Helmand. Some have done little more than convert live soldiers into Wootton Bassett tailgaters.”Hubris played its part too. “The Northern Ireland experience” and “Malaya” were once considered bywords for excellence in counter- insurgency, but in Helmand the same words became indicative of British military arrogance. The “punch- above-our-weight” Army that got away with being underfinanced and underequipped in Ireland and the Balkans found itself pitted against a far more remorseless and enduring foe even than that encountered in Iraq, where our Army’s performance was already under serious question. It has suffered grievously as a result.The US military — long patronised by the British as naive and trigger-happy — addressed the hows and whys of its own failings in Iraq to become the world leader in counter-insurgency. But the British military has done little to correct its mistakes and concentrated instead on suppressing calls for change. Innovative, independent-minded commanders who do not adhere to the party line are bypassed for promotion.“We’ve allowed ourselves to be politicised, and to be too acquiescent in rolling over to political bidding,” noted Major-General Andrew Mackay, who commanded 52 Brigade in Helmand over the winter of 2007-08. “In this atmosphere of ‘protecting ministers’ or devoting enormous energy to ‘getting the message right’ the wrong people prosper.”“The thought,” he added, “that ‘we can deal with it as and when it happens’ resulted in the upper echelons of government — political, civil and military — going into Helmand with their eyes shut and fingers crossed. This proved a very costly means of conducting counter-insurgency.”The immediate prognosis is bleak. However, in a few years the current generation of mid-level army officers — battalion and brigade commanders who have seen reality in Helmand — will have taken over from the last of the commanders from the era of the Cold War, Northern Ireland and Balkan missions. Having seen how the words “yes minister” translate on patrol, they may prove a lot less amenable to political compromise than the current command.sursa: LINKSublinierile imi apartin. Autorul nu este un insider, dar nu este pentru prima data cand citesc aceste lucruri. Si nu nu numai din presa. De aceea, ma tem ca este adevarat.
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Din nou doar de pe youtube!
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apkah
IIIIHHHAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!Vis frate , vis....si ideal...
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Ce ai pus tu aici, SAS, este Australian Tactical Assault Group East, care face parte din 2nd Commando Regiment. Nici vorba de SAS-ul britanic. Ca sa nu mai spun ca aici apar elicoptere americane BlackHawk pe cand britanicii folosesc elicoptere Lynx. Eu ma asteptam sa ne impartasesti din bogata ta experienta impreuna cu britanicii SAS(EsEiEs), nu banale copy&paste de pe Goagle&Youtube. Sper ca nu te-ai suparat, astept materiale de calitate, nu episoade furate de pe YouTube.
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Mihais
Sau pot fi din SASR,care are in subordine TAGW.Iar SASR si NZSAS sunt(din ce mai zic&scriu unii de au fost prin unitatile alea,la fel de ''buni'' ca englezii). Faina melodie.
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No way. Nu mai comparati SAS-ul britanic, eventual SASR-ul cu Aussie 2nd Commando Regiment. Uite, il las pe SAS, care spune ca a fost instruit acolo, ca a bagat misiuni alaturi de SAS-ul britanic, sa ne spuna si noua, baietii din urmatoarele 2 poze, din ce regiment fac parte?
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Mie-mi suna a Quizz chestia asta ...
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Mihais
Hei,am o feblete pt. SASR. Pana vine SAS,sar si io ca musca si zic ca americanii sunt din MFR.Restul sunt australieni,dar de care neam nu stiu.Nu pot fi decat 3 variante. Si nu-i off-topic,e tot cu SAS,doar ca alt SAS.
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Pot sa te asigur, Mihais, ca in prima poza nici unul din cei prezenti acolo nu-i american. Nu era vorba de offtopic, Doamne fereste, ci faptul ca ma astept de la cei instruiti alaturi de SAS-ul britanic, la postari de calitate, nu copy&paste de pe net.Revin inca o data si spun cu tarie ca cei din videoclip[ul postat de SAS nu sunt nici SAS-ul britanic, nici SASR nici NZSAS. Ci altii.
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Mihais
In fine,e prea putin important.Dar baietii par a se misca bine.Dar totusi,in afara de faptul ca pare TAG-E pe la sf. clipului mai ai vreo proba? Iar daca dracii aia din prima poza au furat uniforme americane,eu ce sa le fac?Zi macar in ce context e facuta poza.
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Mihais, dracii din prima poza nu fac altceva decat sa se supuna influentei americane in privinta echipamentului.The Australian military is a particularly interesting study due to the combination of British military roots and significant American influence. In terms of the Australian Army, armoured, cavalry and reconnaissance regiment are of American squadron/battalion size and squadrons are of American troop/company size. Similarly, artillery regiments are battalion strength, with line batteries of company-size. Infantry battalions are virtually synonomous to their American counterparts in size, albeit with the natural TO&E differences. Australian Army units come in three status categories: active (no denoted), reserve, and integrated (combined active and reserve).Pentru cine are rabdare, sa conspecteze asta Australian Armed Forces. Stiu sigur ca domnul Radu Patrascu o va face. Poate ne spune mai multe domnia sa.
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Nu stiu cine sunt cei din prima poza, dar cei din a doua sunt SASR, din cate imi amintesc din site-ul oficial al armatei australiene. 2nd Commando Regiment sunt fostii 4 RAR (Commando), convertit in 1996 la rolul de unitate special forces, in care calitate asigura TAG-E. Actualul nume l-au primit la 19 iunie 2009. Rolul lor este oarecum asemanator cu cel al SFSG din UK si 75 th Ranger Regiment din USA. Precizez, oarecum asemanator, deoarece nici US Rangers nici SFSG nu au ca rol combaterea terorismului. Oricum, in materie de direct action sunt mai "implicati" decat SASR, care formeaza TAG-W. Totusi, in comparatie cu 22 SAS, SASR este mult mai putin orientat spre direct action (cu exceptia rolului TAG-W) si aceasta remarca le apartine chiar militarilor australieni. In continuare, in "green operations" ei joaca mai mult rolul de special reconnaissance and surveillance unit. Nu au un palmares de genul celui realizat de 22 SAS in Irak sub numele de Task Force Black/Task Force Knight. Ceea ce nu inseamna ca sunt mai putin redutabili.
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Pt. ca sunt un profan nu pot zice ceva definitiv.Dar pot intreba daca amestecul de uniforme nu e cumva in detrimentul camuflajului echipei? Influenta americana e normala.Dar cockteilul acela se explica mai degraba prin libertatea pe care FOS o au in alegerea echipamantului.Parerea mea.Repet,daca esti sigur ca aia sunt toti australieni.
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A propos de stress. In cartea lui Mark Urban mai scria ca Williams era un tip de un entuziasm juvenil si un om cald si deschis. Intreprinzator, energic, curajos, inteligent, dar vulnerabil. Comparandu-l cu sergentul Eddie Stone, a carui personlitate plina de asperitati da seama de caracterul dur al acestuia, inteleg de ce ofiterul a clacat. Cand ai un job precum cel din SAS, aceasta candoare nu are cum sa nu iti joace feste la un moment dat. Nu ma dau, nicio secunda, mare psiholog, dar priviti la fotografia de mai sus: fizionomia lui Williams ii tradeaza profilul: un om placut, curajos, dar vulnerabil. Stiu ca e o judecata post-factum, dar cred ca nu ma insel. E de inteles ce spunea Mihai despre cei din SAS ca valoare pur umana. Nu sunt simpatici, nu sunt probabil, cel putin unii din ei, parteneri de conversatie agreabili, dar ei nu au fost pregatiti pentru asa ceva. Armata britanica mai pastreza diferentele de clasa, chiar in SAS: ofiterii sunt din straturile favorizate ale societatii, iar soldatii din mediile despre care se spunea mai sus. Paradoxal, trooper-ii SAS prefera ca ofiterii lor sa provina din 'Public Schools' (a se citi universitati/colegii private, nu de stat! - celor de stat li se spune "State Schools").
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Intr-adevar, Fortele pentru Operatiuni Speciale au libertate in alegerea echipamentului si uniformei. Eu doream doar sa arat cat de usor este sa-i confundam pe unii cu altii. Iar ca SAS sa nu stea mult pe ganduri, voi spune ca in cea de-a doua poza sunt cei din SASR, australienii, a caror uniforma pentru desert este inconfundabila. In prima poza sunt militari australieni.In continuare astept noutati despre SAS, The Regiment. Si eu ii consider cei mai buni.Edited : Acum am citit postarea dvs. domnule Radu Patrascu. Ca intotdeauna sunteti bine documentat. Felicitari!
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In ceea ce priveste strctura organizatorica, la australieni intalnim aceeasi situatie ca la britanici: toate unitatile de nivel batalion, cu exceptia infanteriei, poarta numele de regiment. Escadronul, care la americani reprezinta batalionul de cavalerie (blindata sau aviatie), la englezi si aussies este de nivelul companiei. Troop, in UK si Australia inseamna pluton de cavalerie; la americani este de nivelul companiei. Australienii au un singur regiment de infanterie, Royal Australian Regiment, care nu este, insa, altceva, decat un nume si o emblema. Unitati cu identitate bine precizata din infanteria australiana sunt batalioanele: 1 RAR si 2 RAR cu rol de Light Infantry, 3 RAR cu rol de Parachute Infantry, 5 RAR si 7 RAR mechanised Infantry, 6 RAR si 8/9 RAR Motorised Infantry. Urmatorul esalon in ierarhia lor, peste nivelul de batalion, respectiv "regiment", este brigada.
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Incredibil de trist:Even SAS colonel pushed to the brinkTHE impact of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) on the lives of servicemen and women was graphically illustrated by the details of a case involving a former SAS officer who suffered a breakdown last week.The unnamed 44-year-old lieutenant colonel, who was said to have been a rising star in the special forces regiment, was taken to a psychiatric hospital after he disappeared with a loaded shotgun, sparking a major police alert.The highly decorated officer was said to be suffering from PTSD, as a consequence of leading his men on dozens of missions in Iraq.The symptoms of PTSD can include depression, panic attacks, nightmares and substance abuse, as well as more physical effects such as muscle aches and pains, diarrhoea, irregular heartbeats and headaches. Described by friends as "a truly inspiring and charismatic commander", they believed he was destined for the very pinnacle of the army as a potential chief of the general staff.During his time in Iraq, it is understood the colonel had defied his superiors in order to rescue two of his men who had been kidnapped. However, he had later left the service after his behaviour was branded "too gung-ho" by commanding officers.The alarm was believed to have been raised when his girlfriend called the police after he had left their home at night, taking with him the loaded weapon.Armed police launched a search, fearing that he could either go on the rampage or kill himself. He was finally found by officers following a three-hour search in Hereford where the SAS is based.The man was said to have given himself up quietly to the police.sursa: LINK
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Nu imi este greu sa imi dau seama despre cine este vorba. Primul indiciu este varsta. Cred si afirm ca personajul in cauza este locotenent-colonelul Richard Williams, evocat deja pe acest site, comandant al 22 SAS in perioada iulie 2005-decembrie 2007. Iata si un fragment revelator din cartea lui Mark Urban, Task Force Black. The Explosive True Story of the SAS and the Secret War in Iraqp. 264-268:"While B Squadron tried ever harder to make an impact with its operations Richard Williams, who had until December 2007 been the Commanding Officer of the SAS, faced an uncertain future. He had left the army with his marriage broken, while dealing with post-traumatic stress. To compound his personal situation, Williams was briefly investigated by the Director of Special Forces for his use of official expenses. There had been no wrongdoing, and he was soon exonerated. When Williams handed in his resignation the previous summer, the fact had soon appeared in the press. Obsessive and aggressive, the former CO had made plenty of enemies. Williams has emulated his hero Stan McChrystal in spending much of his time during 2005 to 2007 personally directing operation in Iraq, pushing the people hard. The Timescommented that his leadership style 'has drawn criticism from the army hierarchy, which believes that commanding officers, whether they are in the SAS or in conventional regiments, need to be less involved in frontline combat and more concerned with the "big picture". 'Talking to participants in these operations it was obvious that William's period in command still evokes strong emotions. One leading (non-special forces) figure in Baghdad said he regarded the SAS leader as 'a victim of Hereford politics, and it is a place where there are bitter rivalries'. Such is the strength of these animosities that one officer who served in the SAS in Baghdad alleged to me that Williams had actually been forced out early, or effectively sacked.In fact this is untrue, as is the suggestion that he had blotted his army record by leading from the front. One general who could have influenced William's promotion prospects had he remained in the army says, 'Had he stayed I have no doubt that he was destined for three-or four-star rank.' A more junior figure, a veteran of Task Force Knight, told me candidly that he had bitterly ressented William's pressure at the time, but had to come to realise that his boss had provided the impetus necesarry to make their operations really bite. Any supporter of Richard Williams could point out that the regiment's period of maximum effectiveness in taking down terrorist networks - from the summer of 2005 to late 2007 - coincided almost exactly with his tenure as CO. Before he arrived, due to differences with the Americans over detainees and command arrangements, the SAS had been achieving only a limited impact. They had rounded up old men, Ba'athists whose detention made little difference to the carnage on the streets. Once Williams had gone the aggression he had insisted upon, telling each squadron commander they must complete at least one mission a night, seemed to fall away too. There is without doubt an element of coincidence. In particular, the improvement of security in Baghdad, and more widely during 2008, rapidly cut the ground from underneath the special operations people. That had nothing to do with who was running the SAS, Task Force Knight or indeed JSOC, for Lieutenant-General McChrystal was gone by then too. It was however in taking the SAS to its high-gear, high-impact operations against al-Qaeda, often in the teeth of opposition from his boss, Major-General Peter Rogers- that Williams made his greatest personal impact. In some ways Williams came to symbolise a deeper clash of cultures within the British system. For, talking to many of those who were involved, the debates about Williams or the SAS's role in Baghdad were clearly suffused with a theme of pro- and anti-Americanism. Thes arguments about the rights and wrongs of George Bush's war or the often disastrous early conduct of operations in Iraq provided a subtext to so many of the discussions in the SAS, MI6, the Foreign Office or Army. Many of those who favoured the British caveats on Task Force Black's operations during 2004 to 2005 shared a scepticism about American goals and methods that bordered on hostility. Issues such as detainee conditions or rules of engagement were exploited to keep British operations semi-detached. 'The British, when we went there, were very sniffy about the American way of doing things', reflects one commander who started off in the sceptic camp but ended up realising that JSOC 'was doing it in a rather templated industrial manner and in the end we came around to their way of doing things'.Williams believed that the SAS could never be truly effective without harnessing the massive intelligence resources at JSOC's disposal. But he was also an unashamed Americanophile. One SAS officer told me 'the thing about Richard is that he would probably have preferred to have commanded Delta', but the idea of the SAS commander sitting at the Joint Operations Center at Balad running the whole US-UK black operation in Iraq could never be. The United States simply had to many of its covert operatives and too much of its sensitive intelligence technology at play in Iraq to allow a foreigner, even a Brit, to turn at command. The other pivotal pro-American in these debates was Graeme Lamb. As Director of Special Forces he had launched the SAS into its Baghdad mission cooperating closely with Delta Force. Later, when wearing the two hats of deputy commander of MNF-I and Senior British Military Representative in Iraq, he had not only played a key role in the Awakening but also kept a patternal eye on UK special forces operations. The record of squadron operations perhaps provides the best vindication of those who argued that UK special forces could only achieve the same results as the Americans if they were led with comparable aggression and supplied with comparable intelligence. During the middle part of 2003, during A Squadron's tour that operated closely with the Americans, it raided eighty-five properties. Four years later, after various UK national caveats had been removed, the same squadron mounted almost twice as many raids. In fact, the rate was not dramatically different because the first tour had lasted four months and the 2007 one six, amounting to an average of five operations each week on the first tour and almost seven on the second. In between these two highly successful deployments, however, the British had for much of 2004 to 2005 removed themselves from JSOC's operations against Islamic militants and concentrated instead on Former Regime Elements. During this period the tally fell dramatically, reaching its nadir during the C Squadron (SBS) tour of 2004, when fewer than two dozen raids, or an average of 1,3 each week, were mounted."
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Nu obisnuiesc sa imi intemeiez aprecierile pornind de la o singura sursa, dar in cazul de mai sus sursa citata este ea insasi bine documentata. Pasajul citat, precum si altele pe care le voi mai evoca din aceasta carte, dovedesc ca SUA au fost protagonistul care a impus propria sa viziune strategica. Establishment-ul britanic nu a dovedit ca poseda ceva similar, bazandu-se pe experienta din anii trecuti din Irlanda de Nord, Kosovo, etc, desi situatiile nu erau comparabile. Este clara absenta unei strategii, din moment ce, in cele din urma au adoptat-o pe cea americana. Iar britanicii care s-au distins - Graeme Lambs si Richard Williams - si-au datorat succesul fie urmarii acestui model fie unor initiative individuale. Nu se vede, insa, nicaieri, eventualul rol jucat de armata britanica la nivel de conceptie generala si sistem. Pe de alta parte, cifrele vorbesc de la sine. Chiar si asa, nu exclud ca este posibil sa ma insel. Informatia trunchiata, rupta din context poate fi la fel de inselatoare ca o informatia falsa. Insa, in urma celor citate, mi se pare ca posibilitatea ca aceste informatii sa fie eronate se ingusteaza mult. Richard WilliamsGraeme Lamb (personajul mai in varsta, in dreapta)
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Ca un off-topic,dar nu chiar asa de mare : vorbim noi în secolul XXI de stres post-traumatic,de acompanierea psihologica a combatantului...si ma gândesc la cei care au luptat în Primul Razboi Mondial. Sigur,nu erau societatile atât de evoluate (ma rog,în acceptia faptului ca am evoluat de atunci... ) dar felul în care se lupta atunci,daca s-ar reproduce azi pe vreun câmp de lupta,ar paraliza (psihologic vorbind) chiar si cei mai caliti dintre combatanti (ma gândesc numai la curatarea transeelor cu lopata de infanterie,de exemplu. Curatarea de oameni,nu altceva...)
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Domnule Radu Patrascu, sa inteleg ca SASR si alte formatiuni militare, pierd din influenta britanica tot mai mult? Ca unii ofiteri SASR vin scoliti de la academii militare gen West Point?
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Eu, unul nu stiu de asa ceva si nu am vrut sa afirm asta. Cert este insa, ca intrand pe un forum militar australian, am constatat cu stupoare o ostilitate si un dispret nedisimulate ale soldatilor aussie fata de britanici. Pana si de 22 SAS vorbeau, oarecum, cu condescendenta si se jurau ca nu sunt subiectivi cand afirma ca SASR sunt mai buni decat 22 SAS. Singurii britanici 'neatinsi' de acest dispret erau Royal Marines. In schimb, despre americani numai de bine si nu aveti idee cat de 'vigilent' aparau imaginea acestora. Nimic defavorabil USA nu ramanea nepedepsit !
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Cred ca ar trebui sa evit sa trec pe-acolo,sa le spun ceva despre armata franceza
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Domnilor , dar ceva original , ceva de la voi aveti sau postam doar copy/paste si ne laudam ca suntem cunoscatori..Pe SAS l-ati certat pentru asta.Pentru ceilalti nu e valabil ??
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Adresa este aceasta:LINKVorbeau, pe undeva, si de LE. Dar o faceau, parca, animati de o anumita aprehensiune. Am avut senzatia ca evitau sa se pronunte intr-un fel sau altul, de aceea comentariile lor aveau o impartialitate studiata. Oricum, mi-au lasat o impresie cam neplacuta. Mi s-au parut dogmatici, usor sovini si foarte agresivi. Parca iti vanau stangaciile si parerile.Unul dintre cei mai respectati membri ai forumului, intr-o discutie despre Gurkhas (da, chiar despre ei) afirma ca abia stiu engleza, ca sunt primitivi si ca, de aceea, se mira de ce solicita veteranii lor cetatenia britanica. Dincolo de asta, dispretul lui fata de calitatile militare ale acestora dar si fata de inteligenta lor nativa, si senzatia de superioritate prost disimulata aminteau de politica "White Australia". Stiu ce probleme au ei acolo cu imigrantii, totusi...
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Radu,the diggers au lucrat mai mult cu americanii in ultima vreme(de fapt cu exceptia misiunii din Timor, au fost cot la cot cu SUA).Asa ca intr-un fel e de inteles,mai ales ca prestatia britanica nu a fost chiar la nivelul americanilor(motive multe,pe care le-am mai discutat).Adauga si rivalitatea intre tarile fratesti din C-wealth si ai destule ingrediente.Cu toate astea,armatele UK,AUS,NZ si unitatile SOF sunt compatibile.Militarii se pot transfera aproape la fel de usor ca in cadrul propriei armate,gradele sunt recunoscute,doctrinele seamana intre mai mult decat difera(nu e chiar in modul detaliat pe care il are capitolul doctrina in SUA,dar cat e). Denton,grosul ofiterilor scoliti in ''strainatate'' vine de la Sandhurst,uneori direct din armata britanica.West Pointers nu sunt nici mai multi nici mai putini ca de obicei.Iar foarte multi sunt rankers(proveniti din randul trupei).Si oricum,in SOF nu intra nimeni dupa ce a terminat academia.In general vorbind.Exist o exceptie notabila. Ma folosesc in stil politicianist de faptul ca ati discutat de francezi pe topicul SAS(stiu,stiu,nepotii lui French SAS) si aduc in discutie sistemul israelian de recrutare,desigur pt. a fi comparat cu ABCA,Franta si cine o mai fi fost dezbatut in topic.La nepotii lui David,toata lume merge la oaste.Armata studiaza potentialul viitorilor recruti inca din liceu(aviatia chiar mai repede).Ordinea in ce priveste prioritatile(si prestigiul individual)este:pilotii de vanatoare,fortele speciale+corpul de parasutisti,ofiterii in restul armatei.Ordinea asta creeaza ceva probleme pt. corpul de ofiteri,in sensul ca multi prefera sa serveasca ca soldati in SF decat ca ofiteri in trupele obisnuite,dar asta e poveste lunga si off-topic. Serviciul dureaza 3 ani,iar in SF e obisnuitul regim de selectie care elimina 20+ de recruti pt. a pastra 1.Respinsii merg la parasutisti.2 ani pregatire,1 in unitatile operative(SHaldag,Shayetet13,si jumatea de duzina de Sayeret-uri,din care cea mai celebra este S. Matkal).O buna parte aleg sa continue serviciul,asa ca practic unitatile israeliene au in compunere un amestec de voluntari care isi fac stagiul si profesionisti cu stagii mai vechi.Ofiterimea e desigur in SF de la inceput si avanseaza in grad de la soldat.Avantajul principal al sistemului e ca exista un numar important de rezervisti ce pot fi adusi in serviciu la nevoie( e nevoie des).Inca un avantaj este ca oamenii fac treaba asta solicitanta cand sunt tineri.In sistemul britanic e drept ca oamenii au deja o experienta.Intrebarea este in ce masura experienta bate tineretea? Si nu e deloc off-topic,pt. ca motto-ul Sayeret Matkal e ''Indraznetii inving''
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Australin Defence Force Academy e conceputa dupa modelul West Point ca relatii intre cadeti. In anii 80 au existat numeroase plangeri cu privire la tratamentul aplicat de cadetii din anii superiori noilor veniti. Sistemul e mixt: faci 3-4 ani la ADFA, unde iti iei un degree si 12 luni la Royal Military College Duntroon, unde, practic, inveti sa devii ofiter. Sau faci 18 luni la RMC Duntroon si devii ofiter fara diploma de studii superioare. Aici seamana, cumva, cu sistemul britanici, unde exista ofiteri si cu si fara universitate, dar toti merg la RMAS. Diferenta e ca 'universitarii' sunt avansati din prima zi dupa absolvirea RMAS la gradul de locotenent si mai stau 2-3 ani pana la gradul de capitan, iar cei fara universitate devin locotenenti secunzi iar pana la gradul de capitan asteapta 5 ani.
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Cu privire la compatibilitatea UK-Australia in materie de SOF:BIOGRAPHICAL DETAILSBRIGADIER M.S.J. HINDMARSH, AM, CSCDEPUTY COMMANDER SPECIAL OPERATIONS COMMAND Hindmarsh, avansat general-maior, a condus SOCOMD intre 2004-2008Service CareerBrigadier Mike Hindmarsh graduated from the Royal Military College, Duntroon into the Royal Australian Infantry Corps in 1978. Brigadier Hindmarsh saw regimental service as a Platoon Commander with 2/4 Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment and as a troop commander, squadron commander and Commanding Officer with SASR. As CO SASR, Brigadier Hindmarsh commanded the ANZAC Special Operations Force detachment on OPERATION POLLARD in Kuwait in 1998, and more recently commanded the Special Forces Task Group on OPERATION FALCONER in the war against Iraq.Other postings include appointments with: Headquarters Land Command as SO3 Operations: Headquarters United Kingdom Directorate Special Forces as SO2 Training Headquarters Special Forces as S01 Operations: Land Warfare Centre, Canungra as Tactics Wing Instructor Brigadier Hindmarsh more recently enjoyed postings as Military Assistant to Chief-of-Army and as Colonel Plans (J5) at Headquarters Australian Theatre. Brigadier Hindmarsh is also a graduate of: Command and Staff College, Queenscliff: Joint Services Staff College, Canberra: UK Royal College of Defence Studies. Abbreviated Career 1978 – Graduated RMC, Duntroon to Royal Australian Infantry Corps 1979-1980 – Platoon Commander 2/4 RAR 1981-1984 – Troop Commander SASR 1985-1986 – SO3 Operations at Headquarters Land Command 1987-1989 – Squadron Commander SASR 1990 – Command and Staff College, Queenscliff 1991-1992 – Tactics Instructor, Land Warfare Centre, Canungra 1993-1994 – UK Directorate Special Forces, SO2 Training Headquarters, London 1995-1996 – SO1 Operations, Headquarters Special Forces, Canberra 1997-1998 – CO SASR 1999 – Military Assistant to Chief of Army 2000-2001 – Colonel Plans to Headquarters Australian Theatre 2002 – Student, Royal College of Defence Studies, UK 2003 - Commander Special Forces Task Group during war in Iraq Personal DetailsBrigadier Hindmarsh is 47 years old, is married to Deb and has three sons. Brigadier Hindmarsh also enjoys rock climbing, bush walking and rugby union.
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Un exemplu si in ceea ce priveste compatibilitatea dintre NZ, UK, Australia si SUA :Chief of Defence ForceLieutenant General Jeremiah (Jerry) Mateparae, ONZMLieutenant General Mateparae enlisted into the Regular Force of the New Zealand Army in June 1972. After three years service as a soldier, he graduated in December 1976 from the Officer Cadet School at Portsea Australia, to the Royal New Zealand Infantry Regiment (RNZIR).Lieutenant General Mateparae has served in New Zealand’s Infantry Battalions and the New Zealand Special Air Service. He commanded the First Battalion RNZIR, the Army’s Land Command, later re-designated the Land Component Command (December 1999 – February 2002) and the New Zealand Army as the Chief of Army (February 2002 – April 2006). On 1 May 2006 Lieutenant General Mateparae was promoted to his current rank, and took up the appointment of Chief of Defence Force.Lieutenant General Mateparae has had two operational postings to peace support missions. He commanded a combined-force Truce Monitoring Group on the island of Bougainville in 1998, and the United Nations Observer Group in Southern Lebanon from May 1994 to May 1995. From December 1999 to July 2001, he was the Joint Commander for New Zealand forces in East Timor.Lieutenant General Mateparae is a graduate of the British Army Staff College, Camberley, the Australian Joint Services Staff College, the USCINCPAC Symposium on East Asian Security and the Royal College of Defence Studies in the United Kingdom. He has a Master of Arts with First Class Honours from the University of Waikato, and has been recognised by that university with a Distinguished Alumni Award in 2008. He is a Fellow of the New Zealand Institute of Management.Lieutenant General Mateparae was made an Additional Officer of the New Zealand Order of Merit in the January 1999 New Year’s Honours List for his service in Bougainville.Lieutenant General Mateparae is married to Janine, and they have five children. His interests include reading, (watching) sport, homeopathy and keeping fit.Si exemplele ar putea continua
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Mihais
Aici ai partial dreptate,Arkan.Problema e ca nu se poate veni cu ceva ''original'',intrucat nu am servit in astfel de unitati speciale,iar cei ce au servit nu pot divulga decat aspecte triviale cata vreme datele despre misiuni nu sunt scoase de la secret.Asa ca tot ce se poate face e documentare.Inevitabil ajungi sa vorbesti ''din carti''.Iar daca cineva s-a simtit jignit,imi cer scuze.
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apkah
Eu ma referam , sau faceam o paralela cu topicul Legiunii unde ACH a venit cu ceva original.Desi a fost combatut , omul a spus lucruri nespuse pana acum. update.Am rasfoit putin si am vazut ca pe topicul asta SAS a venit cu elemente inedite...
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Cu mentiunea ca,în ultima instanta,pentru cei care au dubii ori vanitati si au între 17 si 40 de ani...pot merge sa probeze personal ce scrie lumea (si implicit eu). La SAS,e mai complicat : formularele on-line pentru aplicare nu prea functioneaza... . Apoi,mai e un aspect : nu stiu daca ati remarcat,dar nici macar militarii activi din sistemul national (aia normali,care merg si ei în A-stan ori altundeva) nu vin aici sa spuna "sunt gradul numele prenumele de la U.M XXXX" . Chiar si un politist comunitar nu îsi da numele. Cu atât mai putin ar face-o cei care lucreaza/colaboreaza cu structuri speciale,mai ales straine. Nu stiu,dar câteodata am senzatia ca nu toata lumea a depasit frageda vârsta de 7 anisori. Sa nu mi-o luati în nume de rau. Personal,în ceea ce priveste "combaterea" , privind retrospectiv nu stiu daca am facut un lucru bun scriind despre cam ce stiu eu despre Légion Etrangère. Sper doar sa foloseasca cui stie sa citeasca : mie,daca cineva mi-ar fi spus acum 20 de ani despre ce e vorba...m-ar fi ajutat mult.
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Am I eligible for service as an SAS(R) Operator?SAS (R) accepts male volunteers aged 34 and below from any part of the Regular or Reserve Armed Forces (RN, RM, Army and RAF). Applicants with no previous military experience may apply, but must be aged 32 or below and may be required to attend the Combat Infantry Course (CIC) prior to attempting Selection. In line with current MOD policy regarding the employment of women in the Armed Services, service as an operator with SAS(R) is restricted to men.SelectionSAS (R) Selection and training takes 12 months with two intakes per year. The components of the course are as follows:1. APTITUDECandidates' physical and mental endurance are tested, as well as their ability to navigate by day and night over arduous terrain. It culminates with 'Endurance' - a 64km march over the Brecon Beacons carrying over 60lbs. Aptitude comprises:•9 x weekends of endurance training. •1 x week endurance training in the Brecon Beacons. •1 x week assessment (Test Week) in the Beacons. 2. STANDARD OPERATIONAL PROCEDURE (SOP) TRAINING Instruction in UKSF SOP'S and tactics comprises of:•9 x weekends patrol SOP's including surveillance and reconnaissance. •1 x week live firing including patrol contact drills and Tp offensive action. •1 x 9 day battle camp comprising: •Live firing assessment. •Field training exercise to test the skills learned throughout Selection. This culminates in Conduct after Capture (CAC). On successful completion of this training, ranks are badged as SAS(R) and are fit for appointment.Contiunuation TrainingCandidates who successfully complete Selection will enter a period of probation and must complete the following courses to be fit for mobilisation.•Basic Parachute Course. •SF Communications Course. •Main Training Period. When fit for mobilisation ranks will maintain currency by completion of UKSF Military Annual training Tests (MATTs) and attendance on one or more Main Training Periods around the Globe. In addition, ranks who are fit for mobilisation may gain one or more of the following additional qualifications: •Patrol Medics •Enhanced Surveillance and Reconnaissance •Languages •Emergency Close Air Support •Support Weapons •Close Protection SummarySAS (R) provides an opportunity for soldiers to work within a unique, independent organization which takes pride in its heritage, role and professionalism. Service is physically and intellectually challenging, but the rewards are significant. In addition to a strong sense of purpose in embracing the challenges of a complex world, SAS (R) provides challenge and adventure with the additional benefit of Special Forces pay rates.Whilst the Regiment contributes to UKSF operational capability in its own right, it also provides an excellent grounding for those who aspire to serve with the Regular UKSF.Who do I contact?SAS(R) units are located throughout the UK. To apply for service, contact your nearest detachment or use the online contact form within the Recruitment page .LINK
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Boribum
Perfect valabil,cu o mentiune importanta : cetatenia britanica. Daca va uitati pe site-ul lor veti vedea ca recrutarile se fac functie de zona de provenienta a candidatului...e ceva mai complicat. În Europa,singurele tari care angajeaza straini sunt Franta (prin Legiunea Straina) si Belgia (care angajeaza cetateni ai U.E,în anumite conditii) . Va recomand un studiu aprofundat al site-urilor armatelor astea. Macar atât.
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si spania pentru legiunea spaniola, cu mentiunea ca doar candidati din tari de limba spaniola, ceva de genul pot merge la angajaresper sa trecem peste confuzia SAS(R)/22SAS si restul. si da, recutarea se refera numai la cetateni britanici si nici vorba despre training ca foreigner
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Poate omul are cetatenie britanica.La asta v-ati gandit ?Intreb si eu , nu dau cu paru`...
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Brigade of GurkhasFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search British Army Arms and Services Combat Arms Royal Armoured Corps Infantry Guards DivisionScottish DivisionKing's DivisionQueen's DivisionPrince of Wales' DivisionRoyal Irish RegimentParachute RegimentRoyal Gurkha RiflesThe RiflesSpecial Air Service Army Air Corps Combat Support Arms Royal Artillery Royal Engineers Royal Corps of Signals Intelligence Corps Combat Services Royal Army Chaplains Department Royal Logistic Corps Army Medical Services Royal Army Medical CorpsRoyal Army Dental CorpsRoyal Army Veterinary CorpsQueen Alexandra's Royal Army Nursing Corps Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers Adjutant General's Corps Educational and Training Services BranchArmy Legal Services BranchRoyal Military PoliceMilitary Provost Staff Corps Small Arms School Corps Army Physical Training Corps General Service Corps Corps of Army Music Gurkha Soldiers (1896)The Brigade of Gurkhas is the collective term for units of the current British Army that are composed of Nepalese soldiers. The brigade, which is 3,640 strong, draws its heritage from Gurkha units that originally served in the British Indian Army prior to Indian independence, and prior to that of the East India Company. The brigade includes infantry, engineer, signal, logistic and training and support units. They are famous for their ever-present kukris, a distinctive heavy knife with a curved blade, and for their reputation of being fierce fighters and brave soldiers. They take their name from the hill town of Gorkha from which the Nepalese kingdom had expanded. The ranks have always been dominated by four ethnic groups: the Gurungs and Magars from central Nepal; and the Rais and Limbus from the east, who live in hill villages of hill farmers.Contents [hide]1 Origins2 The British Army3 Training Depot Brigade of Gurkhas (TDBG) 3.1 Selection and Basic Training 3.1.1 First Stage3.1.2 Second stage3.1.3 Third stage3.1.4 Passing out4 British Gurkha units 1947-19945 Current units of the Brigade of Gurkhas6 London memorial7 Other8 Alliances9 See also10 References11 External links [edit] OriginsMain articles the Gurkhas and the British Indian Army A monument to the Gurkha Soldier near the Ministry of Defence in LondonDuring the war in Nepal in 1814, the British failed to annex Nepal as part of the Empire but Army officers were impressed by the tenacity of the Gurkha soldiers and encouraged them to volunteer for the East India Company.Gurkhas served as troops of the East India Company in the Pindaree War of 1817, in Bharatpur in 1826, and the First and Second Sikh Wars in 1846 and 1848. During the Sepoy Mutiny in 1857, the Gurkha regiments remained loyal to the British, and became part of the British Indian Army on its formation. The 2nd Gurkha Rifles (The Sirmoor Rifles) defended Hindu Rao's house for over three months, losing 327 out of 490 men. The 60th King's Royal Rifle Corps (later part of the Royal Green Jackets) fought alongside the Sirmoor Rifles and were so impressed that following the mutiny they insisted 2nd GR be awarded the honours of adopting their distinctive rifle green uniforms with scarlet edgings and rifle regiment traditions and that they should hold the title of riflemen rather than sepoys. Twelve Gurkha regiments also took part in the relief of Lucknow. Gurkha regiments in the British Indian Army served in both World Wars.[edit] The British Army Gurkhas advancing with tanks to clear the Japanese from Imphal-Kohima roadAfter Indian independence – and partition – in 1947 and under the Tripartite Agreement, six Gurkha regiments joined the post-independence Indian Army. Four Gurkha regiments, the 2nd, 6th, 7th, and 10th Gurkha Rifles, joined the British Army on 1 January 1948. They formed the Brigade of Gurkhas and were stationed in Malaya.During the Malayan Emergency, Gurkhas fought as jungle soldiers as they had done in Burma. They also formed four new units – Gurkha Engineers, Signals, Transport and Military Police. They were also used for convoy escort duties, security of the new villages and ambushing guerrillas. In the year of Malayan independence, Gurkha Signals units monitored communications during the first free elections.One Gurkha battalion – 2nd Gurkha Rifles - was stationed in Tidworth, Wiltshire in 1962. On 7 December, the unit was deployed to Brunei on a day’s notice at the outbreak of the Brunei Revolt. The forthcoming Indonesian Confrontation saw the formation of the Gurkha Independent Parachute Company on 1 April 1963. The unit was disbanded in 1972. The 2/5th Royal Gurkha Rifles marching through Kure soon after their arrival in Japan as part of the Allied forces of occupationAfter that conflict ended, the Gurkhas were transferred to Hong Kong, where they had security duties during the upheavals of the Chinese Cultural Revolution.The Gurkha brigade’s size was reduced to 8,000 men when the British government changed its defence policy. Hong Kong became their headquarters, while other battalions were stationed in the UK and Brunei.In 1971 the 7th Duke of Edinburgh's Gurkha Rifles moved to Queen Elizabeth Barracks at Church Crookham, Hampshire, from where they became the first Gurkhas to mount the Queen's Guard. In 1974 Turkey invaded Cyprus and the 10th Gurkha Rifles was sent to defend the British sovereign base area of Dhekelia. Later they remained there on peacekeeping duties.On 1 July 1994 the four rifle regiments were merged into one, the Royal Gurkha Rifles, and the three corps regiments (the Gurkha Military Police having been disbanded in 1965) were reduced to squadron strength. On 1 July 1997, the British government handed Hong Kong back to the People's Republic of China, which led to the elimination of the local British garrison. Gurkha HQ and recruit training were moved to the UK, and the size of the Brigade of Gurkhas was reduced to 3,400. Gurkhas undergoing urban warfare training in the United States. Note the kukri on the webbing of the nearest soldier.Gurkhas have had a role in the Falklands War (1st Battalion of the 7th), Gulf War, NATO, Iraq, Afghanistan, operations in Kosovo and UN peacekeeping operations in Bosnia and East Timor. Gurkhas have also served in Sierra Leone.Brigade HQ is based at Airfield Camp near Netheravon, Wiltshire. The two battalions of the Royal Gurkha Rifles are formed as light role infantry; they are not equipped with either armoured or wheeled vehicles. One battalion is based at Shorncliffe, near Folkestone in Kent as part of 52 Infantry Brigade, and is available for deployment to most areas in Europe and Africa. The other is based at the British garrison in Brunei as part of Britain's commitment to maintaining a military presence in SE Asia. The two battalions rotate in each role, usually for three years at a time.Gurkha regiments traditionally have British officers, although many officers are now themselves Gurkhas. Those who wish to receive Queen's Commissions are required to become British subjects.Hundreds of Nepalese Gurkha soldiers who fought for Britain protested 19 March 2008 outside the Parliament of the United Kingdom in London, demanding higher pensions and the right to stay in the country they served. This sparked a national petition to entitle them to British Citizenship when their service ends.They were also seen recently protecting Prince Harry when he was serving secretly in Afghanistan. [3][edit] Training Depot Brigade of Gurkhas (TDBG)Although Britain has been recruiting Gurkha soldiers from Nepal since the 19th century, no effort was made to develop a centralized recruit-training system in the Brigade of Gurkhas throughout the pre Second World War era. As a result, recruiting training was conducted at the various Gurkha regimental training centres in Nepal.The need for such centralized training establishments became apparent in the late 1940s following India's national independence, and subsequently the TDBG was established on 15 August 1951 at Sungai Petani, Kedah, Malaya.With Malaya's independence, however, the TDBG was once again relocated to Malaya Lines in the New Territories, Hong Kong in 1971. At the TDBG in Hong Kong, recruits were taught basic English alongside military subjects such as field craft, drill, weapon-handling etc. More importantly, being in a modern city like Hong Kong, these young recruits from the hills of Nepal were given the opportunity to experience life in a different culture and environment. Such experience would be crucial for their future deployments in different corners of the world.Due to Hong Kong's handover from the UK to China, the TDBG was closed down in December 1994. However, it was reconstituted immediately as the Gurkha Training Wing (GTW) at Queen Elizabeth Barracks at Church Crookham, Hampshire in the UK. In December 1999, the GTW moved to Helles Barracks at Catterick Garrison in North Yorkshire and became Gurkha Company, 3rd Battalion, Infantry Training Centre (ITC). Organized in two wings, A(Imphal) Wing and B(Meiktila) Wing, the company currently maintains 72 permanent staff of all ranks and 230 recruits.[edit] Selection and Basic Training[edit] First StageHill selections are held at various locations in Nepal. There are usually 30 applicants for every place available at this stage. Potential recruits must satisfy the following requirements before proceeding to the second stage:Age between 17 and 22Height at least 5 feet 3 inches (1.60m)Weight at least 7 stone 12 pounds (110 pounds, or 50 kilograms)Good healthEducational requirementmay be sports certificates[edit] Second stageThe second stage of the selection process lasts for 3 weeks. All candidates must pass the following tests in order to proceed further:English grammarMathematicsFitness test, which included exercises and a doko race (carrying 75 pounds of stones and run up a 4.2 kilometre long steep course)Initiative testFinal interviewCandidates for the Gurkha Contingent Singapore Police Force, are also selected at this stage[edit] Third stageThis is a nine-month long training course that includes:Language training (3 months)Military skillsWestern culture and customsGeneral skill at armsSeveral fitness test[edit] Passing outThe graduation of successful recruits is marked by a passing out parade at the end of the basic training course. Based on their progress and results they are then allotted to various positions within the Brigade of Gurkhas. In general those who obtained better results in the mathematics test during the second stage of selection are offered postings to the Queen's Gurkha Signals or the Queen's Gurkha Engineers.[edit] British Gurkha units 1947-19942nd King Edward VII's Own Gurkha Rifles (The Sirmoor Rifles) (Became part of the Royal Gurkha Rifles in 1994)6th Queen Elizabeth's Own Gurkha Rifles (Became part of the Royal Gurkha Rifles in 1994)7th Duke of Edinburgh's Own Gurkha Rifles (Became part of the Royal Gurkha Rifles in 1994)10th Princess Mary's Own Gurkha Rifles (Became part of the Royal Gurkha Rifles in 1994)The Queen's Own Gurkha Logistic Regiment (2001–present) Gurkha Army Service Corps (1958–1965)Gurkha Transport Regiment (1965–1992)Queen's Own Gurkha Transport Regiment (1992–2001)Queen's Gurkha Engineers (1977–present) Gurkha Engineer Training Squadron, Royal Engineers (1948–1951)50th (Gurkha) Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers (1951–1955)Gurkha Engineers (1955–1977)Queen's Gurkha Signals (1977–present) Gurkha Signals (1948–1949)Gurkha Royal Signals (1949–1954)Gurkha Signals (1954–1977)Gurkha Provost Company, Royal Military Police (1949–1957)17th Gurkha Divisional Provost Company, Royal Military Police (1957–1969)2nd Gurkha Parachute Battalion (March-November 1945)3rd Gurkha Parachute Battalion (March-November 1945)153rd Gurkha Parachute Battalion (1941–1945)154th Gurkha Parachute Battalion (1942–1945)Gurkha Independent Parachute Company, Parachute Regiment (ca.1960-1970)[edit] Current units of the Brigade of GurkhasHQ, Brigade of Gurkhas, based in AldershotBritish Gurkhas Nepal1st and 2nd Battalions, The Royal Gurkha RiflesThe Queen's Gurkha EngineersThe Queen's Gurkha Signals, based in York, Bramcote, Blandford and Stafford. There are additional Troop locations in Nepal and Brunei.The Queen's Own Gurkha Logistic RegimentThe Band of the Brigade of GurkhasGurkha Company, 3rd Battalion, Infantry Training Centre CatterickGurkha Demonstration Company (Sitang), Royal Military Academy SandhurstGurkha Demonstration Company (Mandalay), Infantry Battle School BreconBrigade of Gurkhas Training TeamGurkha Language Wing, Catterick[edit] London memorialThe British memorial to the Gurkhas was unveiled by Queen Elizabeth II on 3 December 1997. The inscription is a quotation from Sir Ralph Turner, a former officer in the 3rd Gurkha Rifles.British memorial to the Gurkhas The memorial The statue on top of the memorial The inscription by Sir Ralph Turner Campaign Service history of the Brigade A list of the regiments forming the Brigade of Gurkhas A list of the Battle honours earned by the Brigade
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Boribum
Sunt convins ca toti membrii Special Air Service sunt cetateni britanici. Nu stiu cum vad britanicii dubla cetatenie (ba stiu) pentru militari,dar daca M.Ap.N-ul nostru,M.Ap.N-ul slovac,francez,danez,suedez,etc.etc. nu o accepta... . Zic si eu,si departe de mine parul.
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Mi se spune din regie ca ne apropiem de sfârsitul emisiunii : asadar,o seara buna tuturor.
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Radu Patrascu wrote ...A propos de stress. In cartea lui Mark Urban mai scria ca Williams era un tip de un entuziasm juvenil si un om cald si deschis. Intreprinzator, energic, curajos, inteligent, dar vulnerabil. Comparandu-l cu sergentul Eddie Stone, a carui personlitate plina de asperitati da seama de caracterul dur al acestuia, inteleg de ce ofiterul a clacat. Cand ai un job precum cel din SAS, aceasta candoare nu are cum sa nu iti joace feste la un moment dat. Nu ma dau, nicio secunda, mare psiholog, dar priviti la fotografia de mai sus: fizionomia lui Williams ii tradeaza profilul: un om placut, curajos, dar vulnerabil. Stiu ca e o judecata post-factum, dar cred ca nu ma insel. E de inteles ce spunea Mihai despre cei din SAS ca valoare pur umana. Nu sunt simpatici, nu sunt probabil, cel putin unii din ei, parteneri de conversatie agreabili, dar ei nu au fost pregatiti pentru asa ceva. Armata britanica mai pastreza diferentele de clasa, chiar in SAS: ofiterii sunt din straturile favorizate ale societatii, iar soldatii din mediile despre care se spunea mai sus. Paradoxal, trooper-ii SAS prefera ca ofiterii lor sa provina din 'Public Schools' (a se citi universitati/colegii private, nu de stat! - celor de stat li se spune "State Schools"). da,e cam 'baby face',dar muschii fetei (de exemplu cutele din jurul gurii) si privirea sunt ok (n-o sa intalnesti niciodata un profesionist cu ochii larg deschisi).eu nu mi-as fi dat seama dupa fata lui ca va claca.sa dezvolt putin ce spuneam mai sus despre cei din SAS.-in razboiul COIN,procedeele de cercetare cele mai eficiente implica discutiile cu oamenii (exploatare in orb,agentura etc.).de-asta romanii sunt foarte buni pe partea asta: suntem calzi, prietenosi, deschisi.britanicii sunt mai 'tight ass'.au glumele lor (pe care numai ei le inteleg ),cultura lor.cei educati,care isi iau 'anul sabatic' si cunosc culturi straine sunt exceptionali.insa universul celor din'working class' se-mparte intre munca,fotbal si 'betia de vineri-duminica'.exagerez putin,e adevarat.-simplificand,modelul SAS de selectie se concentreaza pe alegerea luptatorilor care sa faca urmatoarele:insertia (care poate dura zile intregi)+observarea obiectivului dintr-o gropa timp de zile intregi+luarea deciziei in conditii de stress continuu+transpunerea ei in practica+intoarcerea inapoi.deci trebuie oameni care 'sa gandeasca pe picioarele lor' cum spun ei.in conditii de stress continuu,cum spuneam.-probabil multi dintre cei care citesc acest forum s-au confruntat cu stressul extrem.o secunda,un minut,o ora poate.de asemenea,probabil multi s-au confruntat si cu stressul continuu:o zi,o saptamana,o luna.problema este ca militarii din unitatile speciale se confrunta in mod curent cu stressul continuu alternat cu cel extrem.asta inseamna stress 24/24.in viata de zi cu zi,macar in timpul somnului se mai elimina presiunea.intr-o misiune 'behind the lines' nu exista asa ceva.simturile se ascut si se doarme iepureste,cu urechile ciulite si creierul in alerta.omul poate functiona in starea asta un anumit timp.unii pot o saptamana,altii 2,altii o luna.desi pragul este mult mai inalt ca al unui om obisnuit,la un moment dat,clacheaza.stiu un tip din USSF care dupa o gramada de nopti dormite in stilul asta in timpul razboiului din Irak a inceput sa urle in somn si au trebuit sa-l evacueze.de asemenea (ca tot intrebai undeva de cei dn KCT) am cunoscut un tip extrem de jovial de la ei care fusese in misiune in Bosnia si era dereglat bine de tot la scufita.deci se poate intampla oricui.cu totii avem o limita.-modelul SAS pregatea cercetasi pt razboaie clasice.de-asta au reprofilat fosta 14 Intel Coy (specializata in procedee de obt info prin filaj/supraveghre) si FRU (care operau prin agentura) sub forma noului regiment SRR.intr-un razboi clasic humint=interogatorii.nu se mai lucreaza prin agentura,decat foarte rar.nemtii au facut-o pe frontul de est cu rezultate submediocre.-americanii din USSF sunt unitatile cele mai bune din lume pe COIN.cursurile acopera absolut totul in materie de relationare,de la limbaj nonverbal,negocieri,analiza fizionomiilor,NLP,you name it...ei au si 'un bazin de selectie' imens,de toate rasele,un avantaj enorm.-in materie de cercetare,romanii au 2 mari avantaje:faptul ca suntem extrem de buni comunicatori (la nivel individual,nu national ) si faptul ca am crescut in saracie,pe camp,la tara,suntem obisnuiti cu greul,ne 'descurcam'.de exemplu romanul cand ajunge in afghanistan nu are shocul pe care il au multi militari occidentali.opinia mea este ca romanii sunt luptatori COIN innascuti.doar ca in 2-3 ani povestea COIN se va incheia probabil.se va reveni la razboiul clasic.luptatorul roman n-are nevoie nici de 10 litri de coca cola sa functioneze.(prima oara cand au venit cei din USSF in Romania,fiecare dintre ei avea rucsacul plin cu apa;ai nostri carau cel mult 2l,de control;li s-a explicat ca sunt izvoare din juamate in jumatate de ora -exercitiul nu era in zona alpina-,dar n-a reusit nimeni sa-i convinga.mi-au trebuit niste ani buni sa-nteleg de ce si sa le dau dreptate).
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@Mihai,daca se poate spune,cu cei de pe langa noi,grecii sau turcii,ati lucrat?Sau cu Itic? Ce e foarte iteresant la USSF,este ca in ciuda diversitatii rasiale si culturale,marea masa a militarilor este alcatuita din albi(asta rezulta din studii facute acum vreo 8 ani,deci pardon daca zic mascari). Nu e cu SAS,dar zic piua.
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Cam asta ar fi trebuit sa postez si eu pe forumul ala australian.
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Gurkhas sunt niste gloriosi,dar nu sunt SAS,nici macar speciali.Iar cetateni britanici sunt doar de 2 ani.Deci sunt mult off-topic.p.s La selectie,cei care nu trec testele pt. armata britanica primesc locuri in regimentele indiene.Tot o duc mult mai bine ca cei de acasa.Si cu asta,the end.
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Mihais wrote ... @Mihai,daca se poate spune,cu cei de pe langa noi,grecii sau turcii,ati lucrat?Sau cu Itic? Ce e foarte iteresant la USSF,este ca in ciuda diversitatii rasiale si culturale,marea masa a militarilor este alcatuita din albi(asta rezulta din studii facute acum vreo 8 ani,deci pardon daca zic mascari). Nu e cu SAS,dar zic piua.Mihais,in primul rand,am mai spus de cateva ori de cand scriu pe aici,eu sunt civil.n-as vrea sa-nteleaga cineva altceva.deci nu pot sa subscriu la acel 'ati'.ca am fost suficient de norocos astfel incat sa am o anumita experienta pe baza careia ma simt in masura sa vorbesc,e alta treaba.in al doilea rand,sa-ti raspund direct la intrebare,au existat exercitii cu grecii,turcii si israelienii.cred ca le gasesti si pe internet daca stii unde sa cauti.cei de la dir/dspi au facut curs la matkal,dar si bat sau cei din mira/mai au colaborat cu israelienii.povestea cu influenta turcilor,israelienilor asupra FSpRo a fost lansata pe Internet de un baiat care scria si pe forumul asta.e doar partial reala.adica deloc .Itzik e foarte foarte bun,dar:1.te costa sa-nveti.2.iti spune chestii foarte misto,dar care pt el sunt expirate.cu toate astea,o zi antrenat de Itzik face cat 2 antrenat de greci sau turci (Itzik e cu o ora mai destept).si cat juma de zi antrenat de americani .poate ca o sa se supere pe mine cand vor citi,dar opinia mea e ca sunt chitre la impartirea cunoasterii.asta insa nu ma impiedica sa-i apreciez.pe scurt, e preferabil sa ai un aliat evreu si un trainer american.delegatii din unitati speciale din Grecia au venit la schimburi de experienta in Romania inca dinainte de 1989.le-a placut palinca de-aici .concluzia e ca sa inveti de la greci sau turci e ca si cum ai invata la mana a doua.
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Mihais wrote ... @Mihai,daca se poate spune,cu cei de pe langa noi,grecii sau turcii,ati lucrat?Sau cu Itic? Ce e foarte iteresant la USSF,este ca in ciuda diversitatii rasiale si culturale,marea masa a militarilor este alcatuita din albi(asta rezulta din studii facute acum vreo 8 ani,deci pardon daca zic mascari). Nu e cu SAS,dar zic piua.Mihais,referitor la 'marea masa a militarilor alcatuita din albi'te referi la US Army sau la USSF? pe vremuri era un banc:americanii trimit un spion in uniunea sovietica.perfect antrenat,007 era copil pe langa el.stia perfect limba,obiceiurile,situatia locala.blindat.dar toata lumea il saluta cu 'buna ziua,spion american'.si asta nu-ntelegea de ce.asa ca-l ia pe ivan la crasma si dupa mai multe pahare il intreaba:'ivan,de ce toti ma cred spion american?nu vorbesc eu rusa bine?'ala zice 'rusa ta e impecabila'.dupa vreo 10 intrebari,rusul ii zice: 'vezi tu,noi in uniunea sovietica n-avem negri'.in caz ca te referi la USSF:selectia USSF este foarte solicitanta fizic si intelectual.toate specializarile implica cunostinte destul de avansate de stiinte exacte.la disturgeri se baga matematica la greu (in Romania de exemplu,in invatamantul civil probabil cea mai grea materie pentru un inginer constructor este 'rezistenta materialelor'),la transmisiuni fizica, apoi pt celelalte specializari anatomie,balistica etc.deci albii au avantajul ca au facut scoli mai bune (in general;pt ca provin din familii mai instarite).cu toate astea,am intalnit afro-americani in discipline foarte solicitante intelectual.deci noi albii nu suntem mai destepti ca ei.si nici ei n-o au mai mare .simplificand din nou,USSF selectioneaza militari care sunt in stare ca dupa un mars de 40 km,transpirati,obositi,stressati,sa poata sa gandeasca si sa actioneze ca si cum s-ar fi dat jos din pat dimineata dupa un somn odihnitor.si sa zambeasca unor oameni care ii injura si arunca in ei cu oua in cazul misiunilor COIN (la figurat vorbind,pentru ca in zonele unde actioneaza ei lumea n-are oua de aruncat ).SAS-ul (ca sa revin ontopic) a pus mare accent pe vremuri pe programele 'hearts&minds'.misiunile de cc aveau si o astfel de componenta.dicutii cu triburile,margele aduse cadou etc.astea se fac si acum.doar ca americanii o fac mai bine pt ca:-sunt mai prietenosi,zambesc,nu par artificiali.au 'cultura zambetului',cum spunea un prieten 'astia zambesc si daca ii trimiti la origini'.-sunt mai bine pregatiti pe partea asta.-au si backup cultural imens:filme,muzica,baschet etc.se leaga conversatia mai usor.un fel de 'Romania-hagi,nadia,ceucesco' la puterea 1000.e drept britanicii au fotbalul si cricketul,indienii bollywoodul si muzica etc.francezii il aveau pe zidane.treburile astea au o importanta imensa.SAS-ul e pe post de pumn acum,nu pe post de ochi/urechi cum a fost zeci de ani.pe post de ochi/urechi a trecut SRR.citeam pe-aici despre oameni care au discutat sau colaborat cu cei din SAS sau SBS in teatru .inseamna ca oamenii care au scris sunt din delta,cag,miez de miez.cei din SAS/SRR/SBS nu actioneaza in teatru decat legendat.nu scrie pe ei 'sunt din SAS/SBS'.nu-si poarta beretele,nici insemnele,sunt 100% anonimi.ceasuri casio,ochelari de firma si m4 are toata lumea acum.din fericire.povestile vin intotdeauna la mana a doua 'am un prieten/coleg care a vazut/auzit...'nici macar militarii britanici din unitatile conventionale nu stiu cand actioneaza alaturi de SAS/SBS/SRR.eventual stiu doar ca era cineva din 'special forces'.atat.cum spunea cantecul,no name,no face,no number.
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Am o nelamurire, destul de veche, legata de USSF. Deoarece este off-topic, voi continua discutia la tema cu titlul "Experienta nord-americana".
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Radu Patrascu wrote ...Am o nelamurire, destul de veche, legata de USSF. Deoarece este off-topic, voi continua discutia la tema cu titlul "Experienta nord-americana". ex-ad,moderatorii-nu se pot uni topicurile?e ca si cum am vorbi despre yin si yang separat.
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nope - deocamdata tehnic n-am cum, insa nu vad o problema in a completa discutiile cu replici care par offtopic, dar pe fond sint la subiect... in cazul tau, al lui radu si al tuturor membrilor care contribuie constant cu postari de reala valoare, offtopicurile conteaza mai putin cita vreme stiu ca reveniti mereu la tema initiala...
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Mersi Mihai.Asta este cauza cea mai probabila a situatiei cu USSF.Studiul cu pricina sugera,asa mai pe dupa visin,ca SF sa coboare standardele.Banuiesc ca baietii le-au zis politrucilor in fata sa plimbe ursu'.Asa,pe langa topic,problema asta a diversitatii a generat discutii aprinse in State,desigur doar magarii politicianiste.Din pacate si unii militari au marsat,ca e de bine pt. cariera. Treaba cu turcii tin minte ca am gasit-o prima data intr-o carte a unui domn colonel Soare.E multa vreme de atunci si nici nu o am la indemana sa fiu sigur.Deci pardon daca bat campii.M-am mirat foarte,dat fiind ca englezii si americanii erau ''idealul'' ostirii romane.La vremea respectiva treaba asta cu BFOS nu era publica,dar am presupus ca cel mai logic era ca SAS sa fie modelul noilor FOS romane.Nu se ''pupau'' nicicum logica mea de atunci cu ce incerca sa sugereze nenea colonelu'.
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Mihais wrote ... Mersi Mihai.Asta este cauza cea mai probabila a situatiei cu USSF.Studiul cu pricina sugera,asa mai pe dupa visin,ca SF sa coboare standardele.Banuiesc ca baietii le-au zis politrucilor in fata sa plimbe ursu'.Asa,pe langa topic,problema asta a diversitatii a generat discutii aprinse in State,desigur doar magarii politicianiste.Din pacate si unii militari au marsat,ca e de bine pt. cariera. Treaba cu turcii tin minte ca am gasit-o prima data intr-o carte a unui domn colonel Soare.E multa vreme de atunci si nici nu o am la indemana sa fiu sigur.Deci pardon daca bat campii.M-am mirat foarte,dat fiind ca englezii si americanii erau ''idealul'' ostirii romane.La vremea respectiva treaba asta cu BFOS nu era publica,dar am presupus ca cel mai logic era ca SAS sa fie modelul noilor FOS romane.Nu se ''pupau'' nicicum logica mea de atunci cu ce incerca sa sugereze nenea colonelu'. Mihais,cartea aia este probabil cea mai buna carte despre fortele speciale (scrisa de un roman) aparuta in Romania.o am eu la indemana si citatul era in felul urmator: 'sau ai unor servicii specializate apartinand altor armate,precum cele din SUA,Marea Britanie,Turcia,Franta Italia.' fraza se referea la unitati cu care au fost exercitii in comun.s-a colaborat cu unitati din cadrul brigazilor de commando din Turcia (gasesti pe internet).batalionul de la Tg Mures este 100% format de USSF.au fost colaborari si cu SAS (inainte de formarea BOS).imagini de la un exercitiu CSAR au aparut pentru prima oara in Playboy .erau si in cartea aia la care te referi,dar nu se spunea decat 'parteneri englezi'.
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@mihai si @mihaisCu riscul de a primi din nou cateva "ciocane" in cap de la cei care ma iubesc ......... in Romania au fost SAS! In anglia au fost romani! Ceea ce a aparut in Playboy atunci este adevarat!Referitor la alte comentarii ale altor useri: de-a lungul postarilor mele pe acest topic am relatat niste antrenamente (si alea nu erau copiate de pe youtube asa cum se insinua)! ceea ce vreau sa va spun este ca nu este nici un secret sa faci un antrenament (stagiu) cu SAS! Nu este un secret ca faci parte din SAS! Asta cu secretizarea este o chestie tipic romaneasca! Referitor la secretizarea misiunilor.....da, asa e! Dar cu o mentiune! Misiunile nu sunt secrete! detaliile da!
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Despre pregatirea cu SAS vorbea un ofiter al fostului DIR, actualul DSPI intr-un numar din Observatorul Militar din 2004, parca. MENIREA INTERVENTIEI RAPIDE Numele Detasamentului de interventie rapida este imbracat intr-o aura de discretie. Mai in gluma, mai in serios, un ofiter din aceasta structura spunea ca este bine ca „oamenii sa fie discreti si... modesti". De asemenea, numai in acest an, prezenta acestora la Exercitiul bilateral „Blue Road", de la Portile de Fier, si la reuniunea de la Poiana Brasov a ministrilor apararii din tarile NATO va avea importanta ei pentru buna desfasurare a activitatilor si siguranta VIP-urilor. „Detasamentul de interventie rapida este structura militara specializata in pregatirea si ducerea actiunilor de lupta din domeniul prevenirii si combaterii terorismului, asigurarea protectiei demnitarilor militari si civili romani si a omologilor straini aflati in vizita oficiala in Romania, controlul tehnic antiterorist preventiv si interventia pirotehnica la obiectivele militare, precum si asigurarea pazei pe timpul activitatilor protocolare“. Aceasta este prezentarea oficiala a structurii. Dincolo de aceste cuvinte intalnim la fata locului oameni bine pregatiti si care stiu ce vor. Dar mai ales stiu ce sa faca, indiferent de situatie. Acest aspect este ilustrat de locotenentul Constantin Matei: „Nu este o aventura. Totul este planificat cu precizie. Trebuie sa ai respect pentru viata, sa nu produci victime colaterale. Aceasta implica sute de ore de antrenament pentru a trage, la nevoie, un singur glont. Riposta trebuie sa fie pe masura amenintarii“. „La noi, o actiune foarte reusita se realizeaza cand nu se trage. Nu trebuie neaparat sa rezolvi in forta problema aparuta“, completeaza capitanul Arthur Elisei.De altfel, modul profesional de actiune este mentinut prin taberele de instructie si exercitiile de pregatire care se executa in comun cu parteneri straini. „Am avut colaborari cu carabinierii de la GIS (Gruppo Interventti Speziale). Ca urmare, la exercitiile desfasurate in comun, italienii ne-au cerut sa actionam cu ei in teatrele de operatii. Noi am fi mandri sa mergem cu o echipa inchegata la astfel de misiuni. Am mai fost la pregatire in Israel, la Sayerel-Matkal, unde am invatat diferite proceduri de interventie antiterorista. Totusi, in opinie personala, cei mai buni sunt militarii de la Regimentul 22 SAS“.Sursa: LINK
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Poate o sa râzi,dar nu e asa : dezvoltarea unei (noi) uniforme dureaza,implica niste oameni (multi),niste costuri (mari) si productia nu se stabileste dupa dorintele soldatilor decât în mica masura. Pe de alta parte,SAS-ul având diferite arii de operatii (de la jungla pâna la nori)e oarecum limitativ sa spuni "noua tinuta". Noua tinuta pentru ce ? Desert,OK,dar desert iarna sau vara ? Desert irakian sau o parte din desertul afghan ? Caci fortele speciale se îmbraca si armeaza cam cu ce doresc,si daca au alice sau molle nu spune nimic.
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Intrebare de incepator: Fortele astea speciale nu ar trebui sa fi mascate complet? Adica sa nu poarte insemne sau articole care sa denote drapelul sub care servesc? Si cum putem vorbi de "noua tinuta" a unei unitati de FOS cand toti se lauda ca militarii din aceste unitati au libertate in a-si alege echipamentul? Daca imi aduc bine aminte, luptatorii din GSG9 pot opta sa-si cumpere armamentul lor, unitatea platind o cota parte din pretul armei (aici ii rog pe cei avizati sa ma corecteze).
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noua uniforma
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Uniforma asta e mai degraba ''biforma''. .Dar cica combinatia asta ar fi dat rezultate in Helmand,din ce ziceau niste trupeti englezi. Ma asteptam ca noul MTP,dezvoltat din Multicam sa fie la loc de cinste. Asa in treacat fie vorba,nu ma dau in vant dupa ideea de uniforma de camuflaj universala.Inteleg cum e cu reducerea costurilor,dar Europa e una,desertul e alta,iar muntii Hidu-Kush au si ei specificul lor.La cate sute de mii de euro se investesc anual pe cap de militar,toalele sunt printre cele mai ieftine lucruri.
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In cazul operatiunilor deschise (adica si cele care fac de obicei subiectul diferitelor stiri aparute in presa) se poarta o uniforma standard ( a acelei unitati)-> asta nu inseamna ca trebuie sa aibe si insemne! Cazul subliniat de ACH este cel al operatiunilor inchise, care dealtfel sunt grosul!Nu de putine ori SAS a actionat in diferite colturi ale lumii in civil! Personal abia astept sa se deschida toate "baierele" operatiunii ce a facut si subiectul filmului Bravo Two Zero......vor fi multe informatii interesante!
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explicati-mi si mie, sa priceapa capu' meu care oricum nu le stie p-astea cu uniformele: de ce manechinele alea au combinatia aia de desert cu acupat sau ce or fi ele? cu alte cuvinte, o uniforma nu trebuie sa fie cap coada cu acelasi tip de pattern de camuflaj?SAS, unde gasisi, bre, pozele alea? baga si tu sursa...
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Am vazut atat la englezi, cat si la americanii din SOF, obiceiul de a purta cu o neglijenta studiata, parca, piese de echipament apartinand unor uniforme diferite. Ca sa nu mai lungesc vorba, cele mai elocvente exemple apar la adresa:LINKMai putin evident la adresa LINKPentru aceasta din urma, atrag atentia asupra primei poze, unde apare in fata un soldat britanic dintr-o unitate neidentificata din cadrul UKSF, urmat de americani din SOF. Poarta BDU american pentru desert si casca de tip britanic. In ceea ce ii priveste pe americanii din Delta, iata-l pe locotenent-colonelul Pete Blaber (dreapta) si pe adjunctul sau, maiorul Jimmy (stanga) in valea Shah-i-Kot, in timpul operatiunii Anaconda, in februarie-martie 2002.
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spk wrote ...Intrebare de incepator: Fortele astea speciale nu ar trebui sa fi mascate complet? Adica sa nu poarte insemne sau articole care sa denote drapelul sub care servesc? Si cum putem vorbi de "noua tinuta" a unei unitati de FOS cand toti se lauda ca militarii din aceste unitati au libertate in a-si alege echipamentul? Daca imi aduc bine aminte, luptatorii din GSG9 pot opta sa-si cumpere armamentul lor, unitatea platind o cota parte din pretul armei (aici ii rog pe cei avizati sa ma corecteze).eu nu vreau sa-i rapesc gloria lui SAS (am inteles ca merge anual sa se antreneze cu cei din SAS .lucky bastard ).Spk,o unitate speciala opereaza ori legendat ori camuflat.nicodata insa 'la vedere'.legendare (in cercetare,francezii numesc asta banalizare) inseamna sa para ceea ce nu sunt:infanteristi,transmisionisti etc.camuflare cred ca stie toata lumea ce-nseamna.la noi asta se numeste mascare si implica mult mai multe decat c2-ul si complexul c4.sunt foarte multe lucruri care dau de gol un profesionist,nu le detaliez aici.majoritatea tin insa nu de ceasuri,echipament,ci de limbaj verbal sau nonverbal.acum cativa ani am citit (cred ca pe internet) ca o echipa SF americana aflata in misiune in Columbia (antidrog etc) a fost deconspirata dupa ce unii au incercat sa-i jefuiasca,iar ei le-au rupt mainile .shit happens.
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SAS, astept sursa imaginilor, bro.
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ex-ad wrote ...explicati-mi si mie, sa priceapa capu' meu care oricum nu le stie p-astea cu uniformele: de ce manechinele alea au combinatia aia de desert cu acupat sau ce or fi ele? cu alte cuvinte, o uniforma nu trebuie sa fie cap coada cu acelasi tip de pattern de camuflaj?SAS, unde gasisi, bre, pozele alea? baga si tu sursa...ex-ad,alea sunt niste jucarii cu o minima legatura cu realitatea.exista un sambure de adevar insa:Royal Army si-a schimbat recent patternul de camuflaj.
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multumesc @mihai.......alta sursa nu aveam....@ ex-ad ...... LINK
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Zice ceva pe siteul oficial ca trupele trimise in Afganistan incepand cu martie 2010 au alta uniforma LINK .
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....nu are legatura cu uniforma SAS
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si sa revenim si la recrutarea de care s-a facut atata caz : LINK
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SAS - in cazul in care nu dai sursa acelor fotografii, te informez ca ne suparam... link-ul ala duce la altceva si oricum nu ma intereseaza surse din alte forumuri...miine eu pot pune niste imagini de care vrea muschiul meu pe site si voi anunta ca armata chnezeasca si-a schimbat uniformele... si toti cei care citesc vor ride in barba de noi...pentru ultima oara: SURSA.
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Acolo scrie ca sunt recrutari de rezervisti si lipseste regimentul 22. Si sursa tot lipseste .
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Mihai, nu vreau sa par carcotas. Exista RAF, exista Royal Navy si Royal Marines. Dar nu exista 'Royal Army', ci doar, simplu, Army. In cadrul ei, doar anumite 'corpuri' (categorii de arme, de fapt), dar nu toate, au calitatea 'Royal': Royal Armoured Corps, Royal Regiment of Artillery, Royal Corps of Signals, Corps of Royal Electrical & Mechanical Engineers, Royal Logistic Corps si Royal Chaplains' Department. Infantry, Army Aviation Corps, Intelligence Corps etc nu au acest epitet. O situatie asemanatoare intalnim si in cadrul regimentelor de infanterie britanice. Sunt 'royal': The Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment, The Royal Anglian Regiment, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, The Royal Gurkha Rifles, The Royal Regiment of Scotland, The Royal Welsh si The Royal Irish Regiment. Nu sunt: Grenadier Guards, Coldstream Guards, Scots Guards, Irish Guards, Welsh Guards (da, culmea, tocmai regimentele de garda !), Duke of Lancaster's Regiment, Yorkshire Regiment, The Mercian Regiment si Parachute Regiment. Pana la urma nu stiu ce o sa mai ramana Royal sau ne-Royal, pentru ca guvernul tory condus de David Cameron anunta reduceri de 10-15.000 de soldati. Laburistii au desfiintat acum cativa ani 3 batalioane si pe 1 PARA l-au facut nucleul UKSFSG. Batalioanele vechilor regimente au fost comasate in regimentele de mai sus (nu e o noutate, se face asta de mai bine de circa 150 de ani), iar conservatorii promiteau ca vor reda armatei vechea demnitate. Majoritatea reducerilor vor fi operate la nivelul RAF si RN, dar se pare ca si armata terestra va pierde cel putin 4 batalioane. Asta in conditiile in care razboiul din Afganistan si celelalte angajamente ale armatei britanice cer mai multe "boots on the ground". Pentru SAS, vesti bune: primesc elicoptere de tip NH-90, desi in sursa pe care am citit-o se spunea ca si-ar fi dorit mai curand Black Hawks. Oricum, mai bine decat MH-47 fara vedere pe timp de noapte, din cauza carora departamentul achizitii din cadrul MoD s-a facut de ras.
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ca sa punem punct: SAS, pina nu oferi sursele cerute am rugamintea sa nu mai postezi nimic pe acest forum - nu esti credibil, bro, ca sa nu folosesc un alt termen.
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Pe tot site-ul MoD si in nicio alta sursa oficiala nu am vazut macar o data sintagma '22 SAS'. Se fac referiri doar la UK Special Forces, sau, vag, la SAS. Dar niciodata 22 SAS. La fel cum si USA recunosc oficial din 2004 existenta 1st SFOD-D, dar nu pronunta numele niciodata (desi el apare/a aparut pe site-ul DoD), ci doar 'other coallition forces', 'coallition forces', 'special operations forces', etc.
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Cred ca nu sunt nici primul si nici ultimul user banat! Deci, nu e pierdere! Referitor la acele uniforme, spre rusinea mea, nu am regasit linkul! Insist sa continuati acest topic tot cu copu-paste+youtube! Ca sa intelegeti! SAS este o unitate despre care nu veti gasi pe internet (google) decat cateva "franturi"! [sters de admin cu avertisment] Tipic romanesc! "ce nu este barfit nu este bun"! Iar referitor la afirmatiile/postarile lui Radu Patrascu.....jos palaria.......mai putin ultimele.......asa e, cum ziceti voi.......22SAS nu exista.....sunt doar legende! WHO DARES WINS
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Radu Patrascu wrote ...Mihai, nu vreau sa par carcotas. Exista RAF, exista Royal Navy si Royal Marines. Dar nu exista 'Royal Army', ci doar, simplu, Army. In cadrul ei, doar anumite 'corpuri' (categorii de arme, de fapt), dar nu toate, au calitatea 'Royal': Royal Armoured Corps, Royal Regiment of Artillery, Royal Corps of Signals, Corps of Royal Electrical & Mechanical Engineers, Royal Logistic Corps si Royal Chaplains' Department. Infantry, Army Aviation Corps, Intelligence Corps etc nu au acest epitet. O situatie asemanatoare intalnim si in cadrul regimentelor de infanterie britanice. Sunt 'royal': The Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment, The Royal Anglian Regiment, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, The Royal Gurkha Rifles, The Royal Regiment of Scotland, The Royal Welsh si The Royal Irish Regiment. Nu sunt: Grenadier Guards, Coldstream Guards, Scots Guards, Irish Guards, Welsh Guards (da, culmea, tocmai regimentele de garda !), Duke of Lancaster's Regiment, Yorkshire Regiment, The Mercian Regiment si Parachute Regiment. Pana la urma nu stiu ce o sa mai ramana Royal sau ne-Royal, pentru ca guvernul tory condus de David Cameron anunta reduceri de 10-15.000 de soldati. Laburistii au desfiintat acum cativa ani 3 batalioane si pe 1 PARA l-au facut nucleul UKSFSG. Batalioanele vechilor regimente au fost comasate in regimentele de mai sus (nu e o noutate, se face asta de mai bine de circa 150 de ani), iar conservatorii promiteau ca vor reda armatei vechea demnitate. Majoritatea reducerilor vor fi operate la nivelul RAF si RN, dar se pare ca si armata terestra va pierde cel putin 4 batalioane. Asta in conditiile in care razboiul din Afganistan si celelalte angajamente ale armatei britanice cer mai multe "boots on the ground". Pentru SAS, vesti bune: primesc elicoptere de tip NH-90, desi in sursa pe care am citit-o se spunea ca si-ar fi dorit mai curand Black Hawks. Oricum, mai bine decat MH-47 fara vedere pe timp de noapte, din cauza carora departamentul achizitii din cadrul MoD s-a facut de ras. nu vrei sa pari,dar esti .Wikipedia nu e o sursa buna,dar in cazul asta poate o admiti LINK.deci dupa parerea ta exista Royal Navy,Royal Air Force, Royal Marines,dar nu si Royal Army ?
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Mihai, nu am folosit wikipedia. Sursa este: LINK
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Da, nu este Royal Army. Si chiar nu am vrut sa fiu carcotas . Am mai citit pe undeva chestia asta. Imi pare rau ca nu mai stiu care este adresa, dar era un site referitor la istoria regimentelor de infanterie ale armatei britanice unde se mentiona acest fapt.
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SAS, m-ati luat total prin surprindere. Nu neg si nu uit nicio clipa ca tot ceea ce scriu este din surse livresti. Si sper sa nu uit niciodata umilinta cuvenita celui care nu s-a confruntat nicio secunda cu dificultatile intampinate de acesti oameni. Insa nu imi amintesc sa va fi adresat vreodata vreun comentariu prin care sa incerc sa contest sau sa neg ceea ce scrieti si postati. De aceea nu inteleg sensul acestei ultime replici. Iar informatiile la care faceti referire nu le-am mentionat deoarece, evident, nu stiam de ele de nicaieri, nici de pe google, nici din alte surse. Materialele de pe google le dau in forma bruta pentru ca redactarea traducerii lor mi-ar lua foarte mult timp de care nu dispun (am facut-o o data, dar a durat prea mult). La fel de bine, insa, pe google exista laguage tools, cu ajutorul carora se poate traduce, macar aproximativ, din orice limba in oricare alta limba. Si eu folosesc adesea acest instrument pentru textele in limba germana, in a carei cunoastere ma aflu abia la inceput. Regret ca s-a ajuns la aceasta neintelegere.
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Radu Patrascu wrote ...Da, nu este Royal Army. Si chiar nu am vrut sa fiu carcotas . Am mai citit pe undeva chestia asta. Imi pare rau ca nu mai stiu care este adresa, dar era un site referitor la istoria regimentelor de infanterie ale armatei britanice unde se mentiona acest fapt. corect,scrie si pe LINK :'In contrast to the Royal Navy, Royal Marines and Royal Air Force, the British Army does not include Royal in its title. This is because, historically, British Armies comprised individually raised regiments and corps. The position of the British Army as the Army of Parliament and not the Crown was confirmed by the Bill of Rights of 1689 requiring Parliamentary Authority to maintain a standing army in peacetime. Nevertheless, many of its constituent Regiments and Corps have been granted the "Royal" prefix and have members of the Royal Family occupying senior positions within some regiments.'parlament,coroana....sa lasam semantica si bucataria lor interna deoparte.pana si marina din Malaezia a primit titlul Royal din partea Reginei.fortele terestre contin regimente si corpuri regale si emblema cuprinde o Coroana...de facto sunt Royal
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Mihai,m-am prins ce sunteti.Sunteti avocat Pana acum cateva zeci de ani treaba era si mai confuza,datorita Armatei Indiei.Pana acum 150 era un amestec mirific intre armata regulata si armata Companiei Indiilor.Cred ca nici un birocrat roman din 2010 nu ar fi putut sa stabileasca cu precizie cine anume se subordona cui intr-o campanie coloniala pe la 1800 Intorcand eu macazul spre oile noastre,lupii din SAS,intrebarea mea pt. Radu este daca ai gasit pe undeva date despre armamentul individual preferat(abstractie facand de faptul ca au dreptul sa isi aleaga ce vor;are si diversitatea limite)?Eu am gasit ceva despre Diemaco C-7,dar era acolo apareau UKSF,nu SAS sau altcineva.Si era insotita de precizarea ''aparent''.
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Spuneam, mai sus, de elicopterele cu care vor fi dotati SAS, dupa cum scria prin nu mai stiu ce ziar din UK. Australienii si-au luat si ei NH-90. Cum vi se par, prin comparatie, cele doua tipuri de elicoptere ? Ma refer la NH-90 si Black Hawk in masura in care ele corespund nevoilor Special Forces ? (Sper ca nu am pus o intrebare tampita ).
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Mi s-a impus sa pun sursa fotografiilor referitoare la uniforme! Nu sunt in stare sa o regasesc! Imi cer scuze fata de voi! Voi posta insa altceva!
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Pe site-uri am gasit C8SFW si varianta C8 CQB (ultima cred ca apare in poza unde un soldat USA s-a pozat intre 2 trupeti SAS din Task Force Black/Knight:Acum stiu ca nu se mai numeste Diemaco, ci Colt Canada. Link pt C8:LINKAm mai citit ca in Afganistan, in 2001-2002, au folosit G36K, dar in acel moment aveau inca putine.
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Sarumana.Corect,a devenit Colt Canada,dar eu ramasesem cu vechea denumire. Referitor la NH-90,australienii le-au luat intr-un moment de elan ''inovator'' al deparatmentului de achizitii.E un aparat cu probleme.Eurocopter a facut o chestie tipica in afacerile cu arme:a mintit fara jena in legatura cu capabilitatile aparatului.Aparent are probleme cu blindajul,cu podeaua care nu suporta in practica sarcina teoretica. Black Hawk e in schimb un aparat testat si solid.Si vine cu toate gadget-urile electronice.Cel mai important lucru e indeplinirea misiunii,iar asta nu se face decat cu unelte fiabile.Deci eu as vota Black Hawk si la 2 noaptea(adica ora la care scriu).
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Multumesc de informatie. Chiar, de ce nu le-au cumparat celor din SAS Black Hawks ? Asta e.
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Mihais wrote ... Mihai,m-am prins ce sunteti.Sunteti avocat pai la asa observatie,asa raspuns.mie imi place mult sa citesc ce scrie Radu,dar acum sa sustina ca Papa nu e catolic chiar nu ma asteptam .
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Radu Patrascu wrote ...Mihai, nu am folosit wikipedia. Sursa este: LINKRadu,te cred pe cuvant.daca nu ti se pare ca ei sunt Royal,spun si eu ca rabinul: ai dreptate.pana la urma who cares?
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Cam asta ar fi o poza elocventa referitoare la uniforma. Din pacate doar pe astfel de siteuri se pot gasi exemple concludente! Iata si linkul solicitat : LINK
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Radu Patrascu wrote ...Spuneam, mai sus, de elicopterele cu care vor fi dotati SAS, dupa cum scria prin nu mai stiu ce ziar din UK. Australienii si-au luat si ei NH-90. Cum vi se par, prin comparatie, cele doua tipuri de elicoptere ? Ma refer la NH-90 si Black Hawk in masura in care ele corespund nevoilor Special Forces ? (Sper ca nu am pus o intrebare tampita ).Scuze de implicare in discutie... In ultima vreme sunt stiri cu durerile de dinti provocate de NH-90. Inca nu s-a maturizat. Black Hawk este mult mai fiabil, in prezent. Ca si opinie proprie, as alege Merlin. Un motor in plus prinde bine atunci cand exista posibilitatea ca unul dintre motoare sa fie scos din uz. Mai ales daca inamicul il scoate din uz.
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B2,B3,B4,C...sunt nivele internationale de brevet,nu parasute. P.O înseamna pull-out (la fel si pentru hand-deploy),etc. P.S Intruder-ul e de tip 0-0 sau 0-0-0..nu mai tin minte. Multam'.
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HALO/HAHO englezesc e B2 sau B3 (PO sau TO) ?
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INTRUDERThe INTRUDER is intended to be used for both HALOand HAHO missions and has been specificallydesigned for heavily loaded parachutists jumping intorough, unfamiliar drop zones at night. Theseconditions demand a canopy which not only providessuperior glide performance for maximized offset butwhich also has performance characteristics docileenough to minimize the potential for injury onlanding.The INTRUDER canopy is based on an Airborne Systemdeveloped reflexed airfoil. This reflexed airfoilprovides an increase in attached airflow whichimproves velocity and glide.Performance:A major contributor to the INTRUDER’s performance capabilities is the pressurized stabilizer. Thestabilizers begin working during deployment, helping spread the bottom surface in a smooth andconsistent manner. They reduce wingtip vortices during flight and increase the glide performanceof the INTRUDER. The pressurized stabilizers also improve the INTRUDER’s performancein deep brakes when preparing to land by forcing the canopy to track directly forward with nolateral slip or slide. In short, the pressurized stabilizers add to the performance capabilities ofthe INTRUDER throughout the entire flight profile.The toggle pressure on the INTRUDER is relatively light and the control stroke is relatively long.This makes deep brake maneuvers smooth and easy to hold, even when steep approaches demanddeep brakes for extended periods. Recovery from deep braking is also smooth and easy.The INTRUDER main canopy also comes in different sizes to meet varying mission requirements.Four sizes from 230ft² to 360ft² are capable of supporting all up weights from 280 lb to 450 lb.The INTRUDER is intended to be used with the Raider harness container. The Intruder Reservecanopy has been tested with the Raider harness container to TSO C23d standards. The ratedweight for the INTRUDER Reserve with the Raider Harness container is 555 lb and TSOcertification is pending. The INTRUDER is also capable of being configured with Airborne System’snew MicroFly Equipment Delivery System.The INTRUDER has been designed within the framework of requirements submitted by a widevariety of international military users. The result is a canopy that allows jumpers to fly further,carry more, and land softly. Designed for military use from its inception, the INTRUDER is suitedfor a novice in need of docile performance or for an experienced pilot who demands performanceextremes for mission success.LINK
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APPENDIX BHIGH ALTITUDE RELEASEPOINT CALCULATIONThe effects of variable wind directions and speed must be accounted for when determiningthe high altitude release point (HARP) for each MFF mission. Accurate wind data is essentialto calculate the HARP precisely. Commanders are cautioned against planning pinpointlandings on targets when wind data is questionable due to the source, timeliness of repotiing,or other dynamic meteorological conditions (for example, thunderstorms or changingfronts). Wind will affect the parachutist during free-fall and canopy performanceafter deployment.Obtaining Wind DataA variety of sources such as military airfields,civilian airports or weather services, artillerymeteorological sections, or pilot teams in theoperational areas can provide wind data. Aircrewpersonnel can also determine wind data duringflight as the aircraft passes through differentflight levels. (It is not advisable to use this techniquefor actual infiltrations, as the data obtaineden route to the objective area may not reflect conditionsat the objective area.)Recording Wind DataThe jumpmaster records the reported wind dataaccording to altitude in feet, direction in degrees,and speed (velocity) in knots. He records the winddata for every 2,000 feet of altitude during free-falland every 1,000 feet of altitude under canopy.Calculating and Plottingthe HARPThe jumpmaster calculates and plots the HARPslocation in reverse sequence for a HALO mission(Figure B-1). First, he calculates the distance anddirection from the desired impact point (DIP) tothe parachute opening point. Second, he calculatesthe distance and direction from the parachuteopening point to the preliminary release point.Third, he calculates the distance and directionfrom the preliminary release point (to compensatefor forward throw) to the HARP.Calculation of the HARP during HAHO operationsmay or may not require calculation of free-falldrift, depending upon the length of free-fallrequired. For HAHO missions requiring less than2,000 feet of free-fall, the jumpmaster disregardsfree-fall drift.When plotting the HARP on a map, the jumpmasterconverts the wind direction from True North toa grid azimuth using the declination diagram.Using the Wind Drift Formulaand ConstantsThe jumpmaster uses the wind drift formulaD= KAV.D = distance in meters.K = constant (drift in meters per 1,000-footloss of altitude in a l-knot wind).A = altitude in thousands of feet.V = average wind speed (velocity).The jumpmaster also uses the following wind driftconstants (K factors):K = 3 (parachutist in free-fall).K =25 (MC-3 parachute system and RAPS[HALO]).B-1FM 31-19K = 48 (RAPS [HAHO]). for example, the U.S. Navy MT1-X-S uses the S-typereserve that has a K factor of 60. Therefore, if aNOTE: The jumpmaster calculating the HAHO wind parachutist has to activate his reserve parachute, hedrift uses the constant of the least performing canopy; will still be able to glide to the DZ.B-2FM 31-19Calculating HALO Free-Fall Drift and DirectionTo determine the parachutist’s drift in free-fall, 3. Dividing the sum of the wind directionsthe jumpmaster calculates the average wind (1330) by the number of directions (8).speed (velocity) and average wind direction Direction = 1330 ÷ 8 = 166.25, or Direcfromthe exit to the opening altitude. Opening tion = 166 degrees (round to nearestaltitude (4,OOO feet in this example) is not in- whole number) average wind direction.eluded since that is where the free-fall stops.The wind data from 4,000 feet to 1,000 feet is 4. Substituting the numerical values forcalculated using the canopy drift constant. the letters of the D = KAV formula.D = (3) (16) (54)EXAMPLE: Altitude Velocity DirectionD = 2,592 meters at 166 degrees (True20,000 85 160 North).18,000 75 16016,000 75 165 NOTE If using wind directions from 315 degrees14,000 65 165 to 045 degrees to calculate the average wind12,000 50 155 direction, erroneous averages may result. To com-10,000 45 150 pensate, the jumpmaster adds 360 degrees to8,000 20 185 directions of 001 to 045 degrees.6,000 20 190435 knots 1330 degrees EXAMPLE: Direction DirectionThe jumpmaster determines the averages by- 345 345350 3501. Determining the total free-fall distance 345 345from the exit (20,000) to the opening 010 010(+360) =(4,000). A = 20,000-4,000 = 16,000, or015A = 16. 350= 3703501415 degrees 2135 degrees2. Dividing the sum of the wind velocities(435) by the number of velocities (8). Direction = 1415+6=235.83 or D = 236 degreesV = 435+8= 54.375, or V = 54 (rounded (incorrect)to nearest whole number) knots average Direction = 2135+6= 355.83 or D =356 degreeswind speed (velocity). (correct)015(+360) = 370B-3FM 31-19Calculating Canopy DriftTo determine the parachutist’s drift under 1.canopy, the jumprnaster calculates the averagewind speed (velocity) and direction from1,000 feet to the opening altitude.EXAMPLE: Altitude Velocity Direction 2.4,000 15 1903,000 14 2202,000 11 2051,000 9 22049 835 3.(Disregard Surface Winds)The jumpmaster determines the averages by—Dividing the sum of the velocities (49) bythe number of velocities (4). V = 49 ÷ 4 =12.25, or V = 12 (rounded to nearestwhole number) average wind speed (velocity).Dividing the sum of the wind directions(835) by the number of direction (4).Direction = 835 ÷ 4 = 208.75 degrees, or209 degrees (rounded to the nearestwhole number) average wind direction.Substituting the numerical values forthe letters of the D = KAV formula.D = (25) (4) (12)D = 1,200 meters at 209 degrees (TrueNorth).Calculating Forward ThrowCompensation must be made for the distance aparachutist’s body initially travels into the directionof flight due to forward speed (velocity). Theaverage forward throw, at normal highperformanceaircraft exit speeds, is 300 meters.Calculating DoglegsWind direction changes of 90 degrees or more areknown as doglegs. Doglegs require separate calculationsfrom the altitude where the wind directionchanges.Calculating the HAHO HARPTo calculate the HAHO HARP, the jumpmasteruses the modified D = KAV formula, as the intentionis to maximize the linear distance traveledusing the RAPS’ gliding capability.The jumpmaster uses the following HAHO glidingdistance-formula:D = (A - SF). (.V + 20.8) KD = gliding distance in nauticalB-4miles (nm).A = altitude in thousands of feet.SF= safety factor in thousands of feet.V = average wind speed (velocity) in knots.20.8 = canopy speed constant.K = 48 (canopy drift constant).The jumpmaster calculates the safety factor. Itprovides a buffer area after exit to permit the parachutiststo assemble under canopy and to establishthe landing pattern over the DZ. For example, theelement commander desires 1,000 feet for canopyassembly after exit and 2,000 feet to establish thelanding pattern. The safety factor is 3,000 feet.Therefore, SF= 3.The jumpmaster calculates the total gliding distancein nautical miles. To convert nautical milesto kilometers (km), multiply by 1.85.When an element exits the aircraft in stick formation,the jumpmaster compensates for dispersionbetween the parachutists. He obtains this figureby dividing the total number of parachutists by 2and then multiplying the result obtained by50 meters. He plots the calculated distance backinto the aircraft’s line of flight. This procedureplaces the middle of the stick on the desired openingpoint.FM 31-19The jumpmaster plots 300 meters back into the The following are examples of HAHO HARPaircraft’s line of flight to compensate for forward calculations:throw.Calculating the HAHO HARPEXAMPLE 1: HAHO HARP CALCULATION.Situation. The exit altitude is 14,000 feet.Twelve parachutists exit the aircraft in stick 3.formation. The element commander desires1,000 feet for canopy assembly and a 1,000-foot 4.arrival altitude over the DZ. Wind speed anddirection at altitude are—Altitude Velocity14,000 2512,000 2210,000 219,000 218,000 207,000 186,000 185,000 174,000 163,000 122,000 121,000 08210 knotsJumpmaster Calculations.The jumpmaste—1. Determines the averageDirection090080090090085 5.080080085 6.080075 7.080080 8.995 degrees9.wind speed.V = 210 ÷ 12 = 17.50, or V = 18 (rounded 10.to nearest whole number) average windspeed.2. Determines the average wind direction,D = 995 ÷ 12 = 82.91, or D = 83 (roundedto nearest whole number) degrees (TrueNorth) average wind direction.Determines the safety factor is 2(minimum).Substitutes the numerical values for theletters of the formula.D = {12 -2) (20.8+ 18)+ 48,D = (10) (38.8÷ 48.D = 388.0 ÷ 48.D = 8.0 nm at 83 degrees (True North).Determines the gliding distance. 8.0 nmX 1.85 = 14.80 km.Determines dispersion = (12 ÷2)X 50 =300 meters.Determines forward throw. 300 meters.Converts the average wind direction to agrid azimuth and plots it on the map todetermine the opening point.Plots the dispersion factor to determinethe preliminary release point and compensatesfor forward throw to determinethe HARP.Determines the grid azimuth from theopening point to the DIP. Converts thegrid azimuth to a magnetic azimuth. Themagnetic azimuth is the compass headingfollowed to the DZ.B-5FM 31-19Calculating the HAHO HARPEXAMPLE 2: HAHO HARP CALCULATION 1. Determines that the average wind speedWITH A DOGLEG. (velocity) from 1,000 feet to 9,000 feet is17.11 or V = 17 (rounded to the nearestSituation. The exit altitude is 15,000 feet, whole number) knots average windTwelve parachutists exit the aircraft in stick speed.formation. The element commander desires1,000 feet for canopy assembly and a 2,000-foot 2. Determines that the average wind direcarrivalaltitude over the DZ. A change of wind tion from 1,000 feet to 9,000 feet is 84.44direction creates a dogleg at 9,000 feet AGL. or 84 (rounded to the nearest whole num-Wind speed and direction at altitude are- ber) degrees (True North).3. Determines that the safety factor is 3. HeAltitude Velocity Direction must remember that in a formula for aHAHO dogleg, the safety factor is 2 on14,000 33 210 the base leg and 1 on the dogleg to equal12,000 30 21010,000 29 180a total safety factor of 3.92 knots 600 degrees 4. Establishes that altitude = 9,000 feet orA=9.9,000 26 075 5. Substitutes the numerical value for the8,000 24 080 letters of the formula.7,000 22 0856,000 20 090 D =(9 -2) (20,8 + 17)÷ 48.5,000 18 090 D = (7) (37.8)÷ 48.4,000 14 0853,000 12 090 D=264.6÷ 48=5.5 nm Xl.85=10.lkm2,000 10 085 gliding distance at 84 degrees (True1,000 8 080 North).154 knots 760 degreesJumpmaster Calculation (Below theDogleg from 9,000 to 1,000 feet).The jumpmaster calculates the gliding distanceand direction from the DIP to the dogleg at9,000 feet. He—B-6FM 31-19Calculating the HAHO HARPJumpmaster Calculation (Above the D = 207.2 ÷ 48 = 4.3 nm X 1.85 = 7,9 kmDogleg from 10,000 to 14,000 feet). gliding distance at 200 degrees (TrueNorth).The jumpmaster calculates the gliding distanceand direction from 10,000 feet to the exit alti- The jumpmaster converts the True North azitude.He— muths to grid azimuths. Plots the glide path1.2.3.4.5.from the DIP to the dogleg. Plots the glide pathDetermines that the average wind speed from the dogleg to the opening point Calculates(velocity) from 10,000 feet to 15,000 feet the dispersion for 12 parachutists (300 meters).is 30.66 or 31 (rounded to the nearest Plots the preliminary release point from thewhole number) knots. opening point. Compensates for forward throwDetermines that the average wind direcandplots the HARP,tion from 10,000 feet to 15,000 feet is The jumpmaster determines the grid azimuth200 degrees (True North). from the opening point to the DIP. Converts theDetermines that the safety factor is 1. grid azimuth to a magnetic azimuth. The magneticazimuth is the compass heading followedEstablishes that altitude = 5,000 feet or to the DZ. By holding a single compass heading,A=5. the parachutist will maintain direction and fol-Substitutes the numerical vaIue for the low a ctig path from the opening point to theletters of the formula. DZ, rather than a path with distinct turns.D =(5 -1) (20.8+ 31) ÷ 48. NOTE: The safety factor above the dogleg andbelow the dogleg when combined, mathematicallyD = (4) (51.8) ÷ 48. incorporates the desired effect over the completegroup.B
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Am notat. În log se mentioneaza inhalator sau nu ?
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JC Denton
Am dubii privind autenticitatea diplomelor urcate de SAS, din mai multe motive.Daca SAS detinea acele diplome, le punea pe o masuta, iar cu niste bucatele de hartie acoperea numele care nu vroia sa se vada. Atunci am fi vazut ca intr-adevar SAS este antrenat acolo.Mie mi se par niste banale copii xerox, as spune, dupa chenarul pozelor care lasa sa se vada asta, ca acele poze oferite noua sunt niste banale copii xerox. Se si vad chenarele negre din exterior la unele poze, semn ca au fost xeroxate.Ca sa nu mai vorbesc despre felul cum pozele ne-au fost oferite intr-o pozitie demna de a fi scoase la imprimanta, pe o pagina format A4.Am dubii in privinta autenticitatii diplomelor si fiindca numele, Andrei, este inscris acolo folosind un font Time New Roman, fata de restul caracterelor ce alcatuiesc titlul diplomei dar si calitatile dobandite in urma cursului, care folosesc fontul Lucida (Calligraphy sau Handwrite).Mai am dubii ca cineva in urma unui simplu curs ajunge sa faca salturi HAHO, cursurile sunt oferite veteranilor cu ani grei in parasutism, cu sute de salturi la activ, datorita riscurilor la care se expun (hipoxie, degeraturi, etc).Apoi stau si ma intreb de ce un om care pretinde ca a fost cursant SAS, asadar stie la perfectie limba engleza, nu este in stare sa ofere niste explicatii in limba romana si ne ofera copy&paste de pe net.Link-ul oferit de tine in ce priveste recrutarea se adresa exclusiv veteranilor, ceea ce mi se pare normal, nu iei pur si simplu un om de pe strada si-l faci in 3-4 luni parasutist de gradul 1 in salturi HAHO.Gata, sunt atestat si eu de SAS, am fost la training acolo, dar nu am vrut s-o spun, ca sunt recompensat cu titlul de sniper P.S. - Nu sunt un bun cunoscator de Adobe Photoshop, asadar "diploma" mea nu este tocmai perfecta. Adevarul este ca mi-am petrecut doar cateva minute ca sa inlocuiesc acel nume, care desigur nu este al meu. Nu mi-am mai pierdut timpul ca sa pastrez fondul de hartie scamosata cum il are originalul postat de SAS. Deci cu mai mult timp investit, scoteam o diploma, 100% ca a lui SAS. Nu asta a fost motivul meu. Daca totusi SAS detine diplomele in original, iar eu am gresit, imi fac Mea Culpa de pe acum. Nu am nimic personal cu SAS, nu doresc sa-l fac de ras, doresc daca si el vrea clarificarea situatiei acestuia.Oferind poze cu figurine si texte in engleze, ori seriale de pe Youtube, nu pot avea incredere ca a fost antrenat de 22 SAS.P.S. 2 - Pur si simplu, nu era nevoie de urcarea nici macar a unei poze, il credeam pe cuvant, daca in timp as fi vazut in comportamentul lui SAS semnele unui profesionist.P.S. 3 - Consider ca cineva care ar detine calificarile descrise de SAS, nu ar sta sa se "dea" pe net, in conversatii pe blog-uri sau forumuri. Un asemenea tip ar fi tot timpul ocupat.
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spk
Un prieten de-al meu are o poza in care conduce un Lamborghini Reventon Spider la cate zile de la lansarea oficiala, nu avea ce face intr-o pauza de curs si a scos sculele (laptop, net, photoshop). Scuze de offtopic.
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Boribum
Pai,da,domnule moderator,ca daca niste tineri militari au 1.200.000 € de dat pe un autoturism,cred ca e normal sa va fie reduse soldele. Treceti si voi la SLK-uri,fiti mai discreti,zau asa... . Cu HALO si mai ales cu HAHO (care duce la deriva sub aripa) e însa o chestie. De asta întrebam daca e mentionata calificarea cu inhalator (ca doar nu faci cursul ca sa sari de la 3000). Chiar,cât e deriva standard de punct la englezi ? Ca banuiesc ca au o specificatie. Capsula barometrica e pe Vigil,pe Argus,pe ce e ? Din ce am vazut,leg-bag-ul nu e pe perna,ceea ce ma duce la gândul ca lansarea se face în sageata. Nu ? Daca e asa,cred ca pentru lansarea planata sau se schimba centrul leg-ului sau se foloseste alta legatura... . Intruder-ul e pe aici : LINK
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SAS
Imi cer scuze pt off-topic!Bine ai venit JC Denton printre noi! Te felicit pentru avansarea de la statutul de Politist Comunitar (gardian public) la cel de lunetist brevetat!
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Boribum
Daca tot a venit vorba despre ce si cum face un jump-master (instructor avion,la noi,sau chef de soute -nu de saut- la francezi) ,uite si imagini. Amuzante. Cu mentiunea ca jump master-ul nu sare în mod obligatoriu si constant cu parasutistii pe care îi lanseaza (e o bucatarie si cu parasutismul asta...)
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Mihais
Ok,gata circoteca.SAS si Denton,va rog sa reveniti la topic.Anume Special Air Service.Diplomele reale sau false nu sunt subiect de discutie.SAS,dat fiind ca problema asta a tot aparut,va rog sa nu postati lucruri care sa poata fi contestate referitoare la persoana dvs .Telenovela ''a fost,ba nu,nu a fost'' incepe sa devina enervanta si pagubitoare pt. topic si pt. cititori.Personal,nu ma intereseaza daca John Rambo posteaza pe Semper,ma intereseaza ce scrie.Pt. ca atat se poate vedea. Multumesc
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UN EXERCITIU INTERESANT AL SAS IN CARE NE SUNT PREZENTATE DIFERITE TEHNICI DE INTRARI (PATRUNDERE), FOLOSIREA DISPOZITIVULUI PNEUMATIC DE DESCHIDERE AL USILOR METODE DIN CASA MORTII PRECUM SI UN EXERCITIU CU LUNETA
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Boribum
Nu e o reconstituire dupa ambasada,mai degraba ? La deschiderea usii,parca folosesc mai degraba un berbec si ceva explo (hidraulic/pneumatic nu face zgomot la operare,daca memoria nu ma-nseala) L-am vazut si pe pneumatic,finally. Ma asteptam la un JOG,ceva...
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SAS
Am stat mult si m-am gandit pana sa public aceste poze! Este adevarat ca intalnirea de ieri seara cu niste oameni adevarati mi-a aratat ca nu am de ce sa ma ascund! Respecte lor! Ei stiu cine sunt deci "dedicatia" nu este in van!Printre poze este si tatuajul despre care s-a facut atata vorbire cat si "medalia" din argint masiv lucrata manual pe care am primit-o de la ei!
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mariusd.
Stau de mult timp si ma gandesc cat de departe poate merge ipocrizia ta? Daca esti ceea ce sustii dovedeste ...dar nu prin diplome cumparate pe net!Arata o poza cu tine la un salt, povesteste o experienta de la un HAHO, spune-ne al catelea a fost de zi, orice...numai nu mai da copy paste-uri sau filme de pe youtube.Eu nu cred o iota din ceea ce spui, daca ai fi facut macar jumatate din ceea ce pretinzi, in mod sigur ai fi avut o cariera de succes intr-una din unitatile romanesti cu pretentii de forte speciale.
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SAS
Stimate ICT......am considerat ca nu am cu cine pe aici sa impartasesc astfel de povesti! In rest iti urez numai bine! Cat despre "locul in una din unitatile bla bla bla"........;)PS.....pozele astea erau o "datorie mai veche"......nu erau ca sa crezi tu sau altcineva ceva!
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mariusd.
Pe mine chiar ma intereseaza cursul de HAHO/HALO. Cate salturi s-au facut, ce altitudine, static line sau direct free fall, tipul de aeronava, etc...asta in masura in care astfel de informatii pot fi accesibile muritorilor de rand. Ce ne poti spune despre vizita medicala, giroscaun, barocamera...?P.S. Vi s-a permis si HANO in curs?
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birdone
Probabil se referea i.c.t. se referea la aceasta posibilitate:Uploaded with ImageShack.us....prin care fiecare poate fi orice si oricine doar cu o conexiune la net si o imprimanta!
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SAS
Merci de replica replica Birdone. Mai departe sa vedem cine isi face un copy paste sa ne mai arate ce bine merge Adobe.............
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birdone
editat: bine ca pina la urma vorbim aceeasi limba!Cit despre replica lui i.c.t. confirm faptul ca asemenea documente se cumpara pe ebay cu 5 lire!
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Florinn
Nu dispune nimeni de ceva informatii sau link-uri despre antrenamentul in apa si sub apa al trupelor SAS?
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mariusd.
ba cu 3,99 lire
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apkah
Poate off-topicbirdone wrote ...editat: bine ca pina la urma vorbim aceeasi limba!Cit despre replica lui i.c.t. confirm faptul ca asemenea documente se cumpara pe ebay cu 5 lire! Poate ca aveti dreptate.Sau poate ca nu.Eu ma intreb, pentru ce si-ar cumpara cineva asemenea diplome de pe net ?Cand faci o investitie astepti sa o recuprezi...in afara de a le arata pe semper nu am mai auzit sa le fi folosit la ceva SAS.Si ce castiga cumparand niste diplome si postandu-le aici ?Nimic.Mai rau , e tinta batjocurii unora.Parerea mea este ca , indiferent daca sunt reala sau nu , omul conteaza.Daca omului asa ii place sa afirme lucrurile astea , cu ce va deranjeaza pe voi ?Pe aici s-au facut tot felul de afirmatii..unii s-au dat parasutisti..altii s-au dat de prin fortele speciale le armatei ,au fost si unii ,,legionari,,(si nu ma refer la ACH)..altii mari specialisti prin jandarmerie...avem si pe unii care fac legea in Bucuresti si noapte de noapte ajuta oamenii , trag cu pistolul si aresteaza clanuri tiganesti.Aia cum sunt ? Normali ? Mitomani ?Poate ca sunt oameni in adevaratul sens al cuvantului si poate ca asta s-au dorit sa faca dar din diverse motive nu au reusit.Aici pot sa o faca.Aici toti suntem cate ceva virtual.Sau aproape toti.Eu zic ca sa arunce cu piatra cel fara de pacat.
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Boribum
SAS wrote ...am considerat ca nu am cu cine pe aici sa impartasesc astfel de povesti! Am considerat,un timp (cam 10 zile dupa ce m-am înregistrat pe forumul asta) ca ar fi posibil ca ceea ce spui în legatura cu relatia ta cu SAS sa aiba ceva corespondent în realitate. Din pacate,nu ai pierdut nici o ocazie de a demonstra contrariul. Personal,sper realmente (pentru mine e speranta ceea) ca nici unul dintre acei oameni exceptionali pe care i-ai întâlnit nu poate sa fi crezut o clipa,macar,vreuna din povestile astea cu S.A.S etc. Stiu ca exista ratiuni ex-forum pentru care poti fi politist/avocat/comerciant/ doctorand/ lunetist si mai stiu eu ce. Dar nu este un motiv suficient pentru a continua cu insulte precum citatul de mai sus. Daca (si asta înseamna fix DACA) ceea ce sustii tu despre Special Air Service si implicarea ta în treburile lor,precum si apartenenta ta la sistemul de securitate nationala românesc e reala (politie,armata,speciali de orice fel) atunci îti spun eu,de la înaltimea de fost subofiter normal într-o armata de amarasteni banali,a caror chinuri nici macar nu le poti imagina : nu faceti nici macar doi bani gauriti,iar cel mai prost notat sergent al meu ar fi fost capabil sa va dea lectii în amfiteatru. Cu toata consideratia pentru cei care vor fi purtat un sac de lupta,vreodata.P.S Acel tricou de un euro,cu numele,matricola si grupa mea sanguina îl oferisem unui camarad strain. Nu unui impostor. Va salut pe toti,si va doresc sa va bucurati de viata cum puteti mai bine.
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ex-ad
cum intreaga pagina este varza, va propun sa fiti de acord sa fac curatenie, inclusiv in ceea ce priveste pozele de la care a pornit discutia....SAS - inca o singura jignire la adresa membrilor forumului si nu mai esti binevenit printre noi... pentru toata lumea (repet, ca poate nu m-am exprimat corect in alte postari): fie ca se posteaza prin copy-paste, fie ca se posteaza opinii si experiente personale, faptul ca toate sint adunate in topicuri cu tema bine stabilita contribuie la dezvoltarea unei baze de date organizata, utila tuturor celor care citesc acest site, nu numai participantilor la discutie... mi-as dori sa va amintiti mai des acest lucru si sa va ginditi si la cei care citesc...
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mariusd.
Ba chiar ar fi o idee sa mai banati si impostorii. Calitatea acestui forum este data de valoarea postarilor si nu de aberatiile impostorilor.LINK - de aici va puteti lua diplome si crea o cariera militara pe masura. Totul cu doar 3.99 lire. Daca dl. SAS ar accepta un dialog pe orice tema profesionala urmata in acele cursuri, s-ar observa foarte rapid goliciunea in substanta.Daca ar fi facut macar un salt in viata lui si-ar fi dat seama ca nu se poate termina un curs de parasutism (mai ales HAHO/HALO) in 19 martie.Si cred ca puteti sterge definitiv acest topic - e plin de youtube si copy paste. De altfel si topicul CRKT - prea e de bascalie (sau mutat la off topic - e pacat sa se piarda minunatiile de poezii).
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ALM
Of, of, of, Off-topic, mai, mai ...@ i.c.t.Draga domnule, inteleg si chiar sustin ideea ca derapajele verbale si adresarile necuvincioase sa fie reprimate imediat, inclusiv prin stergerea mesajului. Dar nu inteleg ideea de a transforma un forum, care ar trebui sa conduca chiar la legarea unor prietenii virtuale, intr-o cazarma prusaca. Daca simtiti nevoia unui regim cazon, puteti sa bateti pas de defilare in jurul habitatului dvs. Aici suntem oameni de toate felurile, mai seriosi, mai glumeti, mai integrii, mai laudarosi, ce mai, o reprezentare holografia a Romaniei reale. Si mie, de exemplu, imi place!Pana nu o sa avem o "condamnare definitiva" in cazul acuzatiei de fals a diplomelor lui SAS, va propun sa consideram ca sunt valide sau sa ne abtinem de la comentarii jignitoare.
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Boribum
ALM wrote ...Of, of, of, Off-topic, mai, mai ...Pana nu o sa avem o "condamnare definitiva" in cazul acuzatiei de fals a diplomelor lui SAS, va propun sa consideram ca sunt valide sau sa ne abtinem de la comentarii jignitoare. Nu cred ca e vorba despre vreo acuzatie,si -asa cum spunea si colegul apkah- pe internet putem sa fim ce vrem,si chiar mai mult decât atât. Va alaturez cele doua imagini ale documentelor semnate de locotent-colonelul Stevens în contul site-ului 29cdo.com. Semnate de dânsul pentru unicul motiv ca acele câmpuri nu pot fi schimbate. În rest,în formularul de comanda,se poate scrie exact ce doriti. Cu brevetul francez au dat-o-n bara,ca originalul nu e albastru,asa cum brevetul 22nd SAS original...e de fapt o citatie,nu o diploma. Exista câteva site-uri care furnizeaza deasemenea si pasapoarte britanice din Honduras,permise de conducere eliberate de O.N.U,permise de conducere internationale,carduri de rezident pentru o multime de state ale S.U.A,etc.
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apkah
e de ...toata jena treaba asta....cum se permite unui asemenea site sa plagieze asemenea lucruri....nu mai e nimic sfant pe lumea asta.....Arcan cel infantil....
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Boribum
Nu e nici o problema,Apkah,cu copiile acelea. Sunt perfect legale,atât timp cât nu le folosesti pentru a beneficia de diverse prestatii sociale destinate fostilor militari,nu intri în organizatii de fosti militari,etc. Puse pe perete,pentru placerea ochiului personal. Exista site-uri care furnizeaza si pasapoarte (si acele pasapoarte sunt perfect valabile,atât timp cât nu le folosesti) pentru identificare în fata reprezentantilor legii sau trecerea frontierelor. Doua site-uri de încredere (în sensul ca îti furnizeaza produsele,nu numai ca îti iau banii) sunt LINK si LINK Am vazut chiar un baiat care venise cu pasaport de Sealand la angajare... LINK
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SAS
In primul rand vreau sa imi cer scuze membrilor daca prin afirmatia mea "ca nu am cu cine sa impartasesc...." am jugnit pe cineva! Daca ati fi citit mai bine acea replica era strict pt membrul ICT. Dar.....totusi ma intorc la acea afirmatie si o sustin pentru simplul motiv ca pe parcursul acestui topic membrii in afara de a ma "cerceta" si "judeca" pe mine altceva nu au facut! Nu i-a interesat nici o clipa ce inseamna SAS si ce inseamna WHO DARES WINS! Pe toti i-a interesat daca am luat de pe net diplome, daca m-am tatuat special si alte asemenea discutii! Eu stiu ca romanii sunt carcotasi din fire dar ideea continuarii acestui topic a fost tocmai aceea de informare! Dar aceasta informare nu s-a vrut!Despre acele diplome pot sa va spun cum am mai si spus-o ca ma asteptam la carcoteli inclusiv la carcoteli de genul "luate de pe net". Dar mi-am asumat batjocura continua tocmai in ideea de a arata cate ceva din ce inseamna SAS. Cam atat am avut de zis.De aceea cer administratorului sa inchida acest topic si sa fie lasat doar spre vizualizare!
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ex-ad
dragii mei dragi, vad ca nici macar pe mine nu ma mai bagati in seama... i.c.t., mai avem si niste reguli privind modul in care ne referim la ceilalti membri.... SAS, poate ca nu era nevoie sa mai postezi acel perete de diplome... in ceea ce priveste copy-paste-ul, daca nici acum n-am fost suficient de clara pentru unii, atunci ii rog sa se duca la statutul asociatiei si sa vada pentru ce a fost infiintat acest forum... in doua expresii este vorba de show-how si know-how... nu este doar un forum de impresii, chiar daca asta este parerea unora, drept pentru care si extrasele din diverse surse de documentare sint mai mult decit binevenite...am ferma convingere ca imi veti restecta rugamintea de a nu mai posta offtopic dupa mine si de a nu mai polua topicul cu poze, comentarii si atacuri.va multumesc anticipat pentru intelegere, dragi forumisti si inteleg faptul ca in momentul in care v-ati antrenat in discutiile din ultimele doua pagini ati avut realmente intentii oneste.
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mihai
ACH Boribum wrote ...Dom' maior,dupa ce râdeti bine,va rog frumos (daca aveti la îndemâna...) sa puneti un L majuscul la legiunea aia despre care scrieti,ca nu e nici legiunea de jandarmi Buhusi,si nici aia a Arhanghelului Mihai. Corect ce scrieti,e mai bine ca virtualul sa ramâna virtual : unii ar fi loviti de apoplexie în real. Despre S.A.S (poate si despre Legiunea Straina,eventual),poate ne lamuriti un pic cum stau lucrurile în practica. Ca de priceput,va pricepeti. EDIT : E inadmisibil,totusi,ca la cunostiintele dumneavoastra despre armatele straine (nu mai spun de cea autohtona) sa va lasati impresionat de-o buruiana,doua : lopata mica de infanterie si pac-pac,ati debleiat aliniamentul. Apoi,foc de voie. Cu deosebita stima,consideratie si mai ales atentie. Boribum,dupa cum ti-am spus acum ceva vreme,nu vreau sa interactionez cu tine.si stii de ce:ai spus niste aiureli aici pe forum despre anumiti oameni.si n-am observat sa-ti fi cerut scuze.nu am nimic impotriva ta,imi pari un tip educat,cu toate astea facem parte din lumi diferite.nu spun ca a mea e mai buna.cat despre legiune (ca scriu cu l sau L nu-nseamna absolut nimic in materie de respect)daca erai asa de indragostit de ea te mutai in Franta.apropos,buna asta cu dom'maior...quelle humeur succes
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Boribum
Dom' maior,dupa ce râdeti bine,va rog frumos (daca aveti la îndemâna...) sa puneti un L majuscul la legiunea aia despre care scrieti,ca nu e nici legiunea de jandarmi Buhusi,si nici aia a Arhanghelului Mihai. Corect ce scrieti,e mai bine ca virtualul sa ramâna virtual : unii ar fi loviti de apoplexie în real. Despre S.A.S (poate si despre Legiunea Straina,eventual),poate ne lamuriti un pic cum stau lucrurile în practica. Ca de priceput,va pricepeti. EDIT : E inadmisibil,totusi,ca la cunostiintele dumneavoastra despre armatele straine (nu mai spun de cea autohtona) sa va lasati impresionat de-o buruiana,doua : lopata mica de infanterie si pac-pac,ati debleiat aliniamentul. Apoi,foc de voie. Cu deosebita stima,consideratie si mai ales atentie.
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Asa este,domnule : nu ati observat. Va apreciez onestitatea,si va asigur ca dorinta de interactiune directa este perfect reciproca : nici la mine nu exista,chiar deloc. Când spuneam ca va urmaresc,o spuneam în interesul diferitelor informatii pe care le-ati putea oferi.Daca puteti,fireste. Îmi cer scuze pentru supraevaluare,în privinta gradului. C'est de l'humour,pas de l'humeur.
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Profile: The SAS The SAS badge depicts King Arthur's ExcaliburIn this most uncertain of times, there is little doubt that the men of Britain's Special Air Service will play a vital role in any military operation in Afghanistan. It will be, perhaps, the most dangerous mission in a history of perilous engagements, their most famous being carried out in the full glare of television cameras in 1980, when SAS troops stormed the Iranian embassy in London where terrorists had killed a hostage. The SAS freed the remaining hostages and killed five of the six terrorists, although their spectacular success gave them much unwanted publicity. David Stirling saw the value of an elite force The SAS and its motto, Who Dares Wins, was born early in the Second World War, when a British army officer, David Stirling, came up with the idea of a highly-trained special force which might wreak havoc on enemy supply lines, bases and morale. He joined forces with an Australian, Jock Lewes, an officer in the Welsh Guards who had a talent for improvisation. Parachutes were the obvious way of getting troops behind enemy lines, but an early practice jump using a scrounged parachute and an unsuitable aircraft put Stirling in hospital for two months. He used the time to flesh out his plan, and on leaving hospital, he slipped past the guard at High Command headquarters, and managed to convince the top brass that his idea was both necessary and feasible. The SAS was initially created as a desert raiding force to weaken Rommel's North African logistics network as well as hinder aircraft operations. Their first successful raid was in December, 1941, when two groups destroyed 61 aircraft at two airfields. Tested to the limit by the Brecon Beacons There were to be many more SAS operations in the war against Hitler and later, the SAS saw action in several counter-insurgency operations, in Oman, Aden, Malaya and Borneo. They were also deployed in Northern Ireland against the IRA and saw intensive action in the Falklands. During the Gulf War, SAS teams penetrated deep within Iraq to search for mobile Scud missile launchers. But the experiences of one eight-man team illustrated how the courage and reputation of the elite force could not guarantee success. After being dropped far behind Iraqi lines, three men were killed and four captured, although they are said to have first killed 250 Iraqis. A book taking its title from the team's call sign, Bravo Two Zero, made a fortune for its author Andy McNab, a pseudonym of the group's leader. It has sold 1.5 million copies, been translated into 16 languages, and spawned dozens more books about the SAS, to the consternation of those whose lives could depend on the secrecy of its methods. SAS troops in the Iranian embassy siege The men of the SAS have known hardship before they ever join. The selection process is, as one might expect, gruelling. Probably the most testing element is the Long Drag. It is a 40-mile trek over the Brecon Beacons, carrying a 55-pound backpack, that does not include the required food and water. Only about one in every 12 soldiers passes the course. The SAS cap badge depicts not a winged dagger, as was thought, but King Arthur's sword, Excalibur, surrounded by flames. If British special forces are deployed in Afghanistan to exact retribution for the attacks on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, they could end up fighting guerrillas they helped to train. According to a former SAS man, Mujahadeen fighters loyal to America's prime suspect, Osama Bin Laden, were trained by the SAS as part of the West's efforts to bolster resistance to invading Russian forces in the 1980s. Parachuting into peril And the British are said to have taught the Afghans how to use deadly Stinger missiles, capable of bringing down helicopter gunships. SAS troops could be used to guide precision air strikes or attack terrorist camps in Afghanistan. A special SAS unit has apparently been engaged in mountain training in Pakistan for several years. Some military experts assume their members are already in Afghanistan. Another chapter in their story seems likely to unfold. LINK
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apkah
Cautand dupa interventia contraterorista de azi din Filipine , am gasit un filmulet misto de tot.Daca l-ati mai vazut , nu va suparati pe mine, merita revazut :
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mihai wrote ...din cauza unora care "au cursuri" in SAS sau au fost in armata elvetiana sau mai stiu eu pe unde,de ceva vreme unii considera ca daca scrii aici pe forum esti cu capul.ca sa nu mai vorbesc ca cineva mi-a spus luna trecuta ca as muri de ras daca i-as cunoaste pe cativa care scriu pe aici.si n-am putut sa-l contrazic.io nu spun sa fie banati,inteleg ca unii sufera de anumite complexe sau au acumulat frustrari (pana la urma toti suntem oameni,nu?).dar nu se poate face o categorie speciala pentru cei care vor sa-si arate diplomele si decoratiile din SAS,legiune etc.?pentru ca atunci cand buruienile cresc prea mari,distrug si semintele sanatoase.si poate daca se mai curata mediul,mai multi oameni pregatiti vor intra sa scrie.in rest,le doresc sanatate!Am vazut cam tarziu comentariul dar simt nevoia sa dau un raspuns: Stimate domn, aceasta comunitate nu poate fi decat oglinda societatii din care membrii ei fac parte.Cu toate acestea constatarea mea in timp a fost ca datorita complexitatii unor subiecte discutate pe acest forum observ ca din aceasta societate in mare parte elitele vin si iau aici pozitie si ma bucur sa spun ca nu iau orice pozitie ci pozitia de drepti.In contrabalans cu spusele prietentului dvs doar din simpla lecturare ale unor argumente postate de unii membrii va poate demonstra fara echivoc competenta lor.Acest aspect raportat la micile scapari a unor putini membrii este la fel precum stranutul in uragan...adica nici o relevanta.Inchei offtopicul aici, cu afirmatia ferma: cunostinta dvs se insala si suntem oricand la dsipozitie sa ii demonstram acest lucuru.Inchei aceasta scurta interventie offtopic iar daca doriti sa continuam discutia privind calitatea forumului ne mutam pe topicul "offtopic".
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truepride
Este stiut faptul ca deja celebra recesiune denumita obsesiv "criza" afecteaza majoritatea tarilor fie ele pe orice palier al dezvoltarii.Faptul ca si celebrul sas este afectat ma duce cu gandul la dimensiunea uriasa a acestei recesiuni chiar si pentru economii bine intepenite.Citind acest articol estimez ca ceea ce am prins pana acum din aceasta recesiune este doar spitzul Eisberg-ului....eisberg ce a scufundat ce supun ei era de nescufundat fie ca vorbim de vapor sau economie mondiala.
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Se intampla din nou:SAS commander quits Army amid claims defence cuts have hit moraleA highly decorated senior SAS commander, who masterminded a deadly campaign against the Taliban, has resigned from the Army amid claims that defence cuts are hitting morale. By Sean Rayment, Defence Correspondent 9:00PM GMT 27 Nov 2010Friends of the colonel, who cannot be named for security reasons, said he had grown increasingly despondent with service life following the cuts imposed on the military by the Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR).It is understood that two highly respected Brigadiers, one of whom also served with the Special Forces, are considering their positions.Senior officers have warned that many more high calibre officers are expected to resign in the coming months especially if the Continuity of Education Allowance – which pays for a proportion of boarding school fees for service families – is cut. During the SDSR process one of the few themes which united the views of the defence chiefs was their joint dismay at the threat to cut the allowance.Defence sources have also told The Sunday Telegraph that the SAS officer, who won a top military award while commanding special forces in southern Afghanistan, resigned because he felt the family sacrifices demanded by the Army had grown too great.Friends of the officer have revealed that he made his decision after the publication of the SDSR last month.One colleague said: "There is a lot of dissatisfaction within the Army at the way in which the SDSR was handled and it seems he has simply had enough and wants to do something new."He is a rather aloof and quiet individual and did not discuss his resignation with anyone."The colonel won huge praise from both British and US generals after creating a new covert Task Force that has struck a series of devastating blows against the Taliban command structure.Under a new strategy, the SF Task Force began targeting insurgent commanders in operations the success of which has led to commanders referring to them as "harvesting the Taliban".The colonel was due to attend the Higher Command and Staff Course, which is reserved for those officers expected to reach the upper echelons of the Army.He was recently seconded to Kabul to oversee the US Special Forces investigation into the death of Linda Norgrove, the British aid worker, who was killed in a botched rescue operation.The senior officer's departure has shocked many within the Army and the Special Forces community who have described him as "irreplaceable" and his loss as "incalculable".The colonel, who is married with two young children, commanded the SAS from 2008 until 2010 and was regarded as the "golden boy" of his generation.He was recognised as having the potential to reach the rank of general when he arrived at Sandhurst where he was regarded as a "star" cadet officer and has held a series of fast-stream high level jobs within the Ministry of Defence.His departure follows that of Brigadier Ed Butler and Lt Col Richard Williams, who were both SAS commanders and regarded as two of the most brilliant officers of their generation.One officer of General rank, who asked not to be named, said Ministry of Defence civil servants who "only did money" were undermining morale in the Army.He said: "Continuity of Education Allowance (CEA) is vital ground for the Army. Following SDSR it has been tinkered with in order to save some money. As a consequence some officers are already leaving."We need to focus on outputs not just the financial inputs. There are those in the Ministry of Defence who only do money and don't get it."The Army will always be mobile. Therefore families will have to move. An officer's career is shaped by a broad range of jobs. CEA enables that. If you remove it, officers will not stay. The allowance is currently claimed by about, 5500 tri-service families of whom 58% are officers and 42% are other ranks."If we wish to retain quality people and we genuinely believe in making people our edge, we have to invest in them. If we only focus on financial input, we will lose the best."We cannot afford to lose men like the colonel. He is irreplaceable and the value of his experiences and training over the past 20 years are incalculable."Most of my peer group will put up with all the friction an Army career brings with it, as well as the dangers and hardship of operations. But if outsiders tinker and alter the means by which we sustain our lives then many more will leave."To focus solely on the cost of CEA is to miss the issue. The issue is how is to retain quality people despite the lack of stability in our lives."The general continued: "My sense is that there are many nervous people out there who are now genuinely worried for the future."The Army staff college has seen a steep reduction in the number of majors requesting to extend their commissions."The Army's future depends on these men and women and we can't afford to lose them – this is one of the unintended consequences of the SDSR."The officer, who has served in the army for more than 25-years added that he would also consider his position if the 'balance of support became unsustainable" for his family".sursa: LINK
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Terentius
Truepride, ce ziceti de dezbaterea generata de articolul lui Simon Jenkins din The Guardian? "Does Britain really need the military?" LINK. E vorba totusi de Simon Jenkins (nu de Michael Moore sau alti apostoli ai iubirii de aproapele lor) si de Guardian. Edit: Ideea asta cred ca merita un topic separat, am citit ceva de genul asta si pe un blog destept (zic eu) de la noi.
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Stimabile, poti face un topic pe acesta tema si este chiar de incurajat.Punctual pot spune atat: Intradevar este foarte greu sa convingi pe cineva de ce nu bagi bani in invatamat sau sanatate pentru a cumpara avioane de lupta(cazul de fata).Desi domnul Jenkins ( Sir Simon David Jenkins ) este un om respectat in UK si nu numai cred ca acest articol al dansului este cel putin discutabil.Inteleg pozitia dansului dar desfintarea fortelor armate nu este o optine reala.Intradevar amenintarile s-au schimbat dar acest aspect nu permite interpretari in sensul ignorarii existentei lor, daca suntem realisti gasim cateva zone pe glob unde din punctul a in punctul b te deplasezi in convoi militar.Cine poate garanta ca aceste puncte nu se modifica/extind ca noi sa lasam armele jos.Cine poate garanta ca nu va exista o situatie critica(nu confict armat) in care vom avea nevoie de rapiditatea si fermitatea in act si decizie al sistemului militar.Din perspectiva politica daca privim trebuie luat in considerare ca puterea militara a fost intodeauna pilonul de sustinere al puterii politice.Putem discuta de austeritate desigur, de reducerea efectivelor, chiar de desfintarea unor structuri dar desfintarea fortelor armate - utopie.Revin la SAS - daca si ei sunt afectati - situatia este mult mai crunta decat imi imaginam. Partea buna: Romania a desfinat Gspi Acvila ca sa nu avem discutii.
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justme
Interesant este de ce abia acum, cand obsesiva criza se adanceste, unii vorbesc despre desfiintarea fortelor armate. Si inca pe timp de asa-zisa pace. Basca faptul ca ideea vine dintr-o zona unde sistemul de securitate a fost permanent intarit, nicidecum desfiintat. Alta intrebare ar fi: cine profita de pe urma acestui fapt? Cine are interes in generarea lipsei de securitate? Pentru ca exista un interes evident in toata propaganda asta...
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Radu Patrascu
Ceva ce mi se pare interesant: noua lor strategie presupunea suplimentarea sumelor alocate Fortelor Speciale, chiar daca alte categorii de arme vor avea mult de suferit.
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justme
Da, este interesanta obervatia ta. Poate au prevazut ca in viitorul apropiat vor avea de-a face cu puternice revolte de masa, in strada, si acolo fortele speciale sunt cele mai importante. Probabil sunt si alte motive...
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Mihais
LINK SAS digger and father of two, Corporal Ben Roberts-Smith, has become Australia's most decorated soldier.The 32-year-old Perth soldier today received Australia's 98th Victoria Cross for conspicuous gallantry after he neutralised Taliban machine gun positions during a battle that left more than 60 enemy dead.His wife Emma and their twin five-month old daughters Elizabeth and Eve watched as Governor General Quentin Bryce pinned the bronze cross onto his chest at a formal investure ceremony at the SAS headquarters in Swanbourne, Perth.Corporal Roberts-Smith became only the second Australian soldier to wear the Victoria Cross of Australia after Corporal Mark Donaldson who received the honour in 2009.Before 1991 it was an Imperial Honour that was won by 96 Australians from the Boer War to Vietnam.He is only the second Western Australian born holder of the VC after Private Tom Starcevich who received his honour for attacking Japanese machine gun posts Borneo during WW2.The 203cm tall man mounain, known to his mates as "RS" or "Arse" took out several enemy machine gun positions in a fierce six-hour battle in the Shah Waili Kot area of Northern Kandahar last October.The actions for which Cpl Roberts-Smith earned his VC took place on June 11 last year after helicopters landed his troop near the village of Tizak in Afghanistan's Kandahar province to capture or kill a senior Taliban commander.The VC citation states the unit was immediately pinned down by machine gun and rocket propelled grenade fire from elevated Taliban positions, and two soldiers were wounded.Under covering fire, Cpl Roberts-Smith and his patrol manoeuvred to within 70 metres of three Taliban machine guns in a fortified position south of the village.The patrol commenced an attack on the position but after getting within 40 metres were prevented from going further by heavy and sustained fire.As Corporal Roberts-Smith headed toward a small building that provided some cover, he saw an insurgent ready to engage his patrol so instantly shot him dead at point-blank range.He then showed his own position to the insurgent machine gunners to draw fire away from his patrol, enabling his patrol commander to throw a grenade and silence one of the guns."Seizing the advantage, and demonstrating extreme devotion to duty and the most conspicuous gallantry, Corporal Roberts-Smith, with a total disregard for his own safety, stormed the enemy position, killing the two remaining machine gunners," the citation reads.Cpl Roberts-Smith went on to attack other positions and he and another patrol member killed more insurgents as his troop, no longer pinned down, cleared the village of Taliban.The citation says the decisive engagement caused the Taliban to retreat from the Shah Wali Kot district and Corporal Roberts-Smith's most conspicuous gallantry in a circumstance of extreme peril was instrumental to the success of the troops against a numerically superior force."His valour was an inspiration to the soldiers with whom he fought alongside and is in keeping with the finest traditions of the Australian Army and the Australian Defence Force," the citation says.The ceremony also recognised the gallantry of several other soldiers from the elite Special Air Service Regiment.Prime Minister Julia Gillard spent some time with the family last week and saw that the war hero was a dedicated husband and father."Ben is actually a very humble man, reluctant to be the centre of so much fuss and attention," she said."(He is) keen to also remind of the bravery of the mates that he fought alongside and also a man determined to keep his family in his protective and loving embrace."Ms Gillard said Cpl Roberts-Smith was one of the greatest living Australians."Exhibiting those characteristics: humility, mateship, love of family, Ben is clearly one of us," she said."But Ben is also different from us ... because he will always know as we know now that in the heat of battle he did not fail when mateship and duty called."And though it might have easily cost him his life he was fully prepared to give it."Ms Bryce said the VC represented the finest values and traditions of military service and she was honoured to pin the rare meda, on his chest."In these times of hardship and grief for many Australians, you bring our hearts to soar and you remind us of the strength and the endurance of the human spirit," she said."Thank you for what you did and for what you will continue to do."Air Chief Marshal Houston said Corporal Roberts-Smith had exceeded expectations with his gallant actions."Within the Australian military it is a mark of the utmost respect that all - no matter their rank - salute a Victoria Cross recipient," he said.Cpl Roberts-Smith was awarded the Medal for Gallantry for bravery in June 2006 when his patrol was manning an observation post under insurgent attack near Afghanistan's Chora Pass.At one point, while alone in an exposed position, he used his sniper rifle to stop the advance of 16 insurgents and held his position while under fire from other militia until air support arrived.Following the actions for which he was awarded the VC, Cpl Roberts-Smith wasAlso attending were father Len, who is a retired Major-General and former Judge Advocate General of Defence and WA Supreme Court judge and younger brother Sam, a baritone with the Australian Opera, along with political and military leaders who all jetted in from eastern states and dozens of his SAS comrades.Corporal Roberts-Smith's VC was awarded a Medal for Gallantry for another battle in the Chora Valley in 2006 and his VC makes him the most decorated Australian soldier in decades.He graduated from the exclusive Perth boys school Hale where he played First XV rugby and top-level basketball.Regarded by his comrades as a true warrior, Corporal Roberts-Smith is an “assaulter’’ in his Troop which means he is a leading gun fighter and one of the men trained to take the fight up to the enemy.He is also a trained sniper and according to his mates it was only a matter of time before he performed such an act of gallantry in the face of the enemy.“He is the most dedicated soldier I have ever met,’’ said one SAS comrade who asked not to be named.Corporal Roberts-Smith joined the SAS in 2002 from the army’s 3rd Battalion.
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Boribum
Un articol interesant despre cum au fost capturati niste speciali britanici de catre niste agricultori libieni : Le gouvernement britannique était contraint de s'expliquer lundi sur un nouveau couac dans sa gestion de la crise libyenne, après le retentissant fiasco d'une mission "diplomatique" secrète, encadrée par des militaires, auprès de l'opposition libyenne.Le ministre britannique des Affaires étrangères William Hague devait s'exprimer devant la Chambre des Communes lundi à 15h30 (heure locale et GMT) après ce ratage qualifié d'"humiliation" par la presse britannique.La Grande-Bretagne avait envoyé la semaine dernière "une petite équipe diplomatique", selon les termes officiels, à Benghazi, ville de l'est de la Libye et fief de l'insurrection contre le colonel Mouammar Kadhafi.Objectif de la mission: entrer en contact avec l'opposition libyenne, que Londres soutient ouvertement depuis le début de l'insurrection mi-février, alors que la Grande-Bretagne s'était spectaculairement rapprochée du colonel Kadhafi ces dernières années.L'"équipe diplomatique" était en fait composée de plusieurs membres des forces spéciales et, selon les journaux, d'un agent des services secrets ou d'un ou deux diplomates.Elle est arrivée en hélicoptère de nuit près de Benghazi, et a été rapidement arrêtée, parce qu'elle était venue sans accord préalable, a expliqué l'opposition libyenne.Londres a simplement évoqué - une fois les Britanniques relâchés et hors du pays, dimanche - de "problèmes" rencontrés par son équipe sur place.Camouflet suprême pour Londres, les huit Britanniques ont été arrêtés par des agriculteurs, qui avaient repéré leur hélicoptère, selon la presse britannique."Nous avons tiré en l'air et on leur a dit 'les mains en l'air, ne bougez pas'. Ils ont fait ce qu'on a dit. Ce n'était pas très difficile", a raconté l'un des employés de ferme, Rafah, interrogé par le Daily Mail.Après avoir découvert des pistolets, des explosifs, des téléphones satellitaires et de multiples passeports dans les sacs de leurs "prisonniers", les fermiers ont décidé de contacter l'opposition, qui s'est immédiatement alarmée.Les bouffons de James BondLes Britanniques ont en effet atterri de nuit, alors que les combats faisaient rage entre forces loyales au colonel Kadhafi et insurgés et que les rumeurs de débarquement de mercenaires ou de troupes étrangères allaient bon train.Il a fallu d'intenses tractations entre Londres et l'opposition pour obtenir finalement la libération des "bouffons de James Bond", comme les a surnommés le Daily Mail.Au moment de quitter le pays dimanche, ils se sont vu confisquer leur hélicoptère et leurs armes, selon le Times.La mission est un retentissant échec pour Londres, d'autant plus que l'opposition libyenne a affirmé avoir refusé de parler aux envoyés britanniques "en raison de leur manière d'entrer dans le pays".Le gouvernement libyen s'est aussi emparé de l'affaire pour moquer Londres. La télévision d'Etat a diffusé, selon le Times, une conversation téléphonique entre un diplomate britannique et un responsable de l'opposition libyenne, dans laquelle le premier cherche à obtenir la libération de ses compatriotes.Ce fiasco ne semble cependant pas avoir calmé les ardeurs de Londres, qui multiplie les faux pas depuis le début de la crise en Libye, notamment en tardant à rapatrier les centaines de Britanniques bloqués dans ce pays. "Nous avons l'intention d'envoyer une nouvelle équipe, le moment venu", a affirmé lundi le porte-parole du Premier ministre David Cameron.Pendant que Londres était empêtré dans la "saga de ses 'diplomates'", pour reprendre l'expression du Guardian, Rome a annoncé avoir établi des contacts "discrets" avec l'opposition libyenne.LINK
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Ceva suplimentar (plus o mostra din vesnica persiflare reciproca SAS-SBS):Amateurish, naive and embarrassing - that's the insider's verdict from an ex-SAS instructor speaking to Channel 4 News about the failed Special Forces mission to Benghazi.Channel 4 NewsCATCH UP Programme at 1900 weekdays, weekend timings see listingsTuesday 08 March 2011Search Channel 4 NewsSearchSAS veteran criticises 'amateurish' Libya failureMonday 07 March 2011Amateurish, naive and embarrassing - that's the insider's verdict from an ex-SAS instructor speaking to Channel 4 News about the failed Special Forces mission to Benghazi.An SAS veteran has branded the botched mission that led to the detention of a team of Special Forces soldiers in Libya "amateurish".The attempt to fly an MI6 and SBS team into rebel-held Benghazi without negotiating their safe passage first was "naive" and evidence of poor planning in Whitehall, the source said.He spoke out as Foreign Secretary William Hague told the House of Commons the soldiers had been withdrawn following "a serious misunderstanding over their role".An eight-man team understood to have included soldiers from the elite SBS unit and an MI6 officer was released late on Sunday after being captured when they landed in fields near Benghazi, a rebel stronghold in the east of Libya.The mission, described as "bizarre" by Oliver Miles, the former British ambassador to the troubled North African state, was authorised personally by Mr Hague.Channel 4 News understands a helicopter from HMS York flew the men into a rural area near Benghazi with the aim of making diplomatic contact with rebel leaders in the area.But they were arrested by suspicious locals, who told Channel 4 News they found guns, bombs, maps and fake passports inside the soldiers' luggage.Channel 4 News Political Editor Gabry Gibbon has learnt that some of this equipment included tactical communications kit.'Nobody goes in cold like that'A former SAS instructor, who now works for the private firm Ronin Concepts providing security for journalists covering stories in combat zone, told Channel 4 News: "People in my sort of field infiltrate warzones all the time."It is the same process for Special Forces crews going into foreign rebel-held areas.Channel 4 NewsCATCH UP Programme at 1900 weekdays, weekend timings see listingsTuesday 08 March 2011Search Channel 4 NewsSearchSAS veteran criticises 'amateurish' Libya failureMonday 07 March 2011Amateurish, naive and embarrassing - that's the insider's verdict from an ex-SAS instructor speaking to Channel 4 News about the failed Special Forces mission to Benghazi.An SAS veteran has branded the botched mission that led to the detention of a team of Special Forces soldiers in Libya "amateurish".The attempt to fly an MI6 and SBS team into rebel-held Benghazi without negotiating their safe passage first was "naive" and evidence of poor planning in Whitehall, the source said.He spoke out as Foreign Secretary William Hague told the House of Commons the soldiers had been withdrawn following "a serious misunderstanding over their role".An eight-man team understood to have included soldiers from the elite SBS unit and an MI6 officer was released late on Sunday after being captured when they landed in fields near Benghazi, a rebel stronghold in the east of Libya.The mission, described as "bizarre" by Oliver Miles, the former British ambassador to the troubled North African state, was authorised personally by Mr Hague.Channel 4 News understands a helicopter from HMS York flew the men into a rural area near Benghazi with the aim of making diplomatic contact with rebel leaders in the area.But they were arrested by suspicious locals, who told Channel 4 News they found guns, bombs, maps and fake passports inside the soldiers' luggage.Channel 4 News Political Editor Gabry Gibbon has learnt that some of this equipment included tactical communications kit.'Nobody goes in cold like that'A former SAS instructor, who now works for the private firm Ronin Concepts providing security for journalists covering stories in combat zone, told Channel 4 News: "People in my sort of field infiltrate warzones all the time."It is the same process for Special Forces crews going into foreign rebel-held areas."Nobody goes in cold like that. It seems very naive and very badly-planned."It's all about negotiation. Everybody in Libya is on the end of a phone. It's a matter of talking to the right people and finding out who is in charge of the militias and bringing them to the table."That's how we do media things. We've been doing it for years and the SAS have been doing it for years."They should have had a team of rebels meet them and then been escorted in. The armed team are just there to protect them against against being ambushed or attacked."It's a bit amateurish and it's a bit rash. They should know better.If I had been on that operation I would have been asking: 'What are the risks? How do we get out of here if it goes wrong. Where does our information come from? Who are we talking to?'"If we're not talking to anybody, the risks are too high.""Somebody's rattled their cages in the corridors of power and it's a knee-jerk reaction, probably using inexperienced junior officers who have been thrown into the job together rather than an experienced ground."He added: "It's been bandied about that this was an SBS job."They're not as experienced. They're very much a junior player to the SAS. People get them confused as equals. They're not at all."I wouldn't be surprised if it was them. If it was the SAS I'd be very embarrassed, because they should know better."'Serious misunderstanding'Mr Hague told MPs: "Last week I authorised the despatch of a small British diplomatic team to Eastern Libya, in uncertain circumstances which we judged required their protection, to build on these initial contacts and to assess the scope for closer diplomatic dialogue.SAS veteran criticises 'amateurish' Libya failureMonday 07 March 2011Amateurish, naive and embarrassing - that's the insider's verdict from an ex-SAS instructor speaking to Channel 4 News about the failed Special Forces mission to Benghazi.An SAS veteran has branded the botched mission that led to the detention of a team of Special Forces soldiers in Libya "amateurish".The attempt to fly an MI6 and SBS team into rebel-held Benghazi without negotiating their safe passage first was "naive" and evidence of poor planning in Whitehall, the source said.He spoke out as Foreign Secretary William Hague told the House of Commons the soldiers had been withdrawn following "a serious misunderstanding over their role".An eight-man team understood to have included soldiers from the elite SBS unit and an MI6 officer was released late on Sunday after being captured when they landed in fields near Benghazi, a rebel stronghold in the east of Libya.The mission, described as "bizarre" by Oliver Miles, the former British ambassador to the troubled North African state, was authorised personally by Mr Hague.Channel 4 News understands a helicopter from HMS York flew the men into a rural area near Benghazi with the aim of making diplomatic contact with rebel leaders in the area.But they were arrested by suspicious locals, who told Channel 4 News they found guns, bombs, maps and fake passports inside the soldiers' luggage.Channel 4 News Political Editor Gabry Gibbon has learnt that some of this equipment included tactical communications kit.'Nobody goes in cold like that'A former SAS instructor, who now works for the private firm Ronin Concepts providing security for journalists covering stories in combat zone, told Channel 4 News: "People in my sort of field infiltrate warzones all the time."It is the same process for Special Forces crews going into foreign rebel-held areas."Nobody goes in cold like that. It seems very naive and very badly-planned."It's all about negotiation. Everybody in Libya is on the end of a phone. It's a matter of talking to the right people and finding out who is in charge of the militias and bringing them to the table."That's how we do media things. We've been doing it for years and the SAS have been doing it for years."They should have had a team of rebels meet them and then been escorted in. The armed team are just there to protect them against against being ambushed or attacked."It's a bit amateurish and it's a bit rash. They should know better.Political Editor Gary Gibbon on yet more developments in the foiled SBS-led diplomatic mission:I hear that the SBS team that landed in Libya in the early hours of Friday morning had cases of communications equipment with them. Just the sort of tactical communication stuff that the Libyan rebel forces need to coordinate their actions against Colonel Gaddafi's forces and substantially different from the sort of equipment that would be needed by a diplomatic outpost getting to know the rebel leaders. We are clearly in a phase where covert help is favoured and pursued and overt help is warily plannned for but on many levels dreaded. Where that quite leaves the terms of engagement or legal standing of British forces operating in Libya, I'm not sure.If I had been on that operation I would have been asking: 'What are the risks? How do we get out of here if it goes wrong. Where does our information come from? Who are we talking to?'"If we're not talking to anybody, the risks are too high.""Somebody's rattled their cages in the corridors of power and it's a knee-jerk reaction, probably using inexperienced junior officers who have been thrown into the job together rather than an experienced ground."He added: "It's been bandied about that this was an SBS job."They're not as experienced. They're very much a junior player to the SAS. People get them confused as equals. They're not at all."I wouldn't be surprised if it was them. If it was the SAS I'd be very embarrassed, because they should know better."'Serious misunderstanding'Mr Hague told MPs: "Last week I authorised the despatch of a small British diplomatic team to Eastern Libya, in uncertain circumstances which we judged required their protection, to build on these initial contacts and to assess the scope for closer diplomatic dialogue."I pay tribute to that team. They were withdrawn yesterday after a serious misunderstanding about their role leading to their temporary detention. This situation was resolved and they were able to meet Council President Mr Abdul-Jalil."However, it was clearly better for this team to be withdrawn. We intend to send further diplomats to Eastern Libya in due course."Shadow Foreign Secretary Douglas Alexander said the incident "raises questions about ministers' grip and response to the unfolding events in Libya".He added: "I wonder whether, if some new neighbours moved into the foreign secretary's street, he would introduce himself by ringing the doorbell, or instead choose to climb over the fence in the middle of the night?"Abdel-Hafidh Ghoga, spokesman for the rebels' provisional transitional national council, said that the soldiers had been held "because they came into the country unofficially without previous arrangement with Libyan officials".He added: "Libya is an independent nation, and we have our borders that we expect to be respected."There are fears the incident could damage future efforts to establish diplomatic channels with forces opposed to the rule of Colonel Gaddafi.But MP Patrick Mercer, a former army infantry officer and the Chairman of the House of Commons Sub-Committee on Counter-Terrorism, told Channel 4 News the rebels had no choice but to make a public protest against the insertion of British forces, in order to avoid handing Colonel Gaddafi a propaganda victory.Rebels 'had no choice but to protest'He said: "Politically there has been a lot of talk and a lot of sabre-rattling, which hasn't necessarily been very realistic."I am pleased to have my hopes confirmed that covert operations that intend to put western diplomats alongside Gaddafi's opponents are actually happening."When one of these extremely delicate operations does go wrong, what else can you do if you are the Libyan opposition except say 'we don't welcome western troops inside our sovereign space?'"To do anything else makes it look like there's some long-standing plan between foreign forces and the Libyan opposition, which of course is totally unhelpful to that opposition."Mr Ghoga went on to say there was "no crisis" between the council and Britain and that anti-Gaddafi forces were "more than willing" to talk to any delegation sent "in a legitimate way".Sursa: LINK
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Nu as pica asa tare pe spate ca a fost un esec.Nenea arabul purtator de cuvant al rebelilor a zis de ce a fost musai sa faca scandal.Amu,in Libia e dupa toate probabilitatile un mare haos,iar toti mucosii care prins un AK din depozitele armatei sunt fiii lui Rambo.Sa vezi ditamai elicopterul cu fete palide si cu insemne britanice pe el ca aterizeaza in mijlocul orasului nu e mare greutate.Baiul e sa vezi cine este cel care incearca sa fie sef in zona iar aici e mission accomplished.Oamenii,fie capturati fie nu au ajuns la lideri si au spus ce aveau de spus.Restul e cancan pt prostimea arabetilor,chiar daca e deranjant pt. diplomatia britanica. MI6 avea cu siguranta contacte in zona intrucat englezii au vrut sa fie buni prieteni cu libienii in ultimii ani.Dar nu orice prapadit e amic al MI6,iar esecul de a ajunge la punctul de intalnie poate fi lesne eroarea rebelilor ori efectul confuziei din randurile. O echipa inarmata a FS nu se preda cu arme si bagaje in mana unor fomisti decat daca asta favorizeaza misiunea. Bravo 2-0 a scos din lupta un batalion irakian pe parcursul catorva zile,cei 2 Delta au eliminat echivalentul unei companii la Mogadishu,iar SEAL TEam 10 a scos din joc peste 100 de talibani in cateva ore.Rebelii au cateva mii de oameni in toata Libia,iar in rest sunt cei cu furci si topoare.Asta asa ca sa avem o oarecare perspectiva.
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Perspectiva e ca englezii nu s-au bătut că nu veniseră acolo pentru asta,tot aşa cum cei de la GIGN (ăia cu însoţirea de transport umanitar) au trebuit sa lase armele la aeroport şi să însoţească convoiul…cu mâinile goale,ca ministerul de externe omisese sa informeze libienii de prezenţa armelor în avionul respectiv. Nişte greşeli « de sus » care fac deliciul celor de jos…e mereu nostim sa râzi de speciali,mai ales când sunt nume rasunătoare din panoplia F.S.
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se mai greseste si la casele mai mari !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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După ce s-au ocupat de exfiltrarea cetăţenilor britanici de la instalaţiile BP din Libia,iata cu se se ocupa Special Air Service : SAS teams are on the ground in Libya with orders to pinpoint and destroy Colonel Gaddafi’s weapons.Dozens of the crack troops have been operating behind enemy lines to identify targets for bombing raids.Highly-trained units, known as ‘Smash’ teams for their prowess and destructive ability, have carried out secret reconnaissance missions to provide up-to-date information on the Libyan armed forces. LINK
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Mihais
Userul SAS a fost banat .Nu iti poate raspunde. Daca ai citit topicul ai putut observa ca acele afirmatii au nascut polemici si au creat tensiuni intre membrii, ce daunau atat calitatii cat si decentei forumului. Mortii(virtuali desigur,intrucat persoanelor in carne si oase le doresc numai sanatate) cu mortii,sergent.
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A murit John MacAleese.SAS hero of Iranian embassy siege dies 'of a broken heart' after his soldier son was killed in Afghanistan The SAS sergeant who led the raid on the besieged Iranian Embassy died of a broken heart after his son was killed in Afghanistan, his family said yesterday.John McAleese, who was in his early sixties, died on Friday in Thessaloniki, Greece, where he was working as a security guard.He came to symbolise the bravery of the SAS after millions of TV news viewers saw him blast open a window during the storming of the building in 1980.The Foreign Office confirmed he had died on Friday in Thessaloniki, Greece, where he had been living.But despite his fearless reputation, he never recovered from the death of Sergeant Paul McAleese, who was killed by a roadside bomb in Helmand two years ago at 29.Mr McAleese died of a suspected heart attack a day before the second anniversary of his son’s death. As tributes poured in yesterday, Mr McAleese’s family said he never got over the death of his son. His daughter Hayley, 28, said: ‘I am sure the grief and stress he had suffered had a bearing on what has happened. It was a heart attack out of the blue. It’s just a complete shock, but I believe a lot of it has to do with the loss of Paul, with it being so close to the anniversary.‘Dad seemed to age after Paul died. He had a broken heart and ultimately it was his heart that took him. But we all believe father and son are reunited. Two great heroes taking their place in heaven,’His ex-wife Kim Early, 52, said: ‘I am devastated. I don’t think John got over losing Paul.’Mr McAleese, who lived in Hereford, became famous for his bravery during the final moments of the six-day siege at the embassy in West London in May 1980.Millions of people watched the rescue live on TV as Mr McAleese perched precariously on a ledge to place explosive charges that blew out the embassy’s windows.He then led more than 30 masked troops to storm the building.The attack was ordered by home secretary William Whitelaw after six armed Iranian dissidents took over the embassy and shot dead a member of staff before dumping his body outside the building.Five gunmen were killed and one was arrested. Although one hostage died, 19 were freed.Mr McAleese received the Military Medal and later co-hosted the BBC TV show SAS: Are You Tough Enough?, which put contestants through the unit’s training regime.But in 2009 his son, who served with 2nd Battalion The Rifles, was killed by a Taliban bomb in Sangin as he went to the aid of an 18-year-old soldier who had been injured.Enlarge Hero: Former SAS member John John MacAleeseMr McAleese, who was photographed fighting back tears by his son’s coffin, attacked then prime minister Gordon Brown for not sending enough troops to Afghanistan.As well as Hayley, he leaves daughter Jessica, 22, and son Kieran, 14. His funeral is expected to be held in Hereford, the home of the SAS.A Ministry of Defence spokesman described him as ‘a hero who served his country bravely in a military career that spanned many years’.Paul McAleese only got to spend a week with his newborn son before he was sent to Afghanistan.At his funeral his father, who was divorced from wife Kim Early, said that Paul had told him there were not enough troops to monitor areas cleared of explosives before he died.His widow spoke movingly about her husband's character.Talking to 1,000 mourners at Hereford Cathedral, she told the congregation that some had worried when they first got together, because both had such strong personalities.Addressing her late husband she said: 'It turned out Mac, that our match really was made in heaven and we were perfect together.'An army comrade said at the service: "Mac was destined to serve in the SAS, it was in his blood.Mr McAleese senior is expected to be buried alongside SAS colleagues after a military funeral in Hereford, near the regiment’s headquarters.LINK
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Radu Patrascu
Un alt luptator al SAS, de data aceasta din NZSAS, a murit in lupta. SAS hero 'a free spirit going that extra mile'MICHAEL FORBESLast updated 05:00 30/08/2011SOLEMN WALK: The body of Corporal Doug Grant, killed in action in Afghanistan, is borne by fellow soldiers at his funeral at Linton Military Camp.Hearing about the man behind the SAS aura was a special moment on a day clouded in so much sorrow.Corporal Doug Grant was a New Zealand Army hero – that much was clear before friends and comrades spoke at his funeral at Linton Military Camp yesterday.The very fact that the 41-year-old gave his life 11 days ago while rescuing civilians and security guards under attack at the British Council diplomatic offices spoke for itself. But his moral fibre extended much further than that.When the 1500 mourners heard from Patriots Defence Force Motorcycle Club Manawatu president Des Ratama, they got a feel for the hero Corporal Grant was.Mr Ratama recalled that, when the Patriots were handing out white ribbons at a Breakers basketball game in Auckland last year as part of a campaign against family violence, Corporal Grant took pleasure in "highlighting the ignorance" of a man who disagreed with the campaign."So in true Dougie Grant fashion, he declared in his loudest voice possible that the guy in the white hat condones violence against women," Mr Ratama said."Needless to say, the politically correct support staff thought Dougie was a hero."Others testified to the humour that endeared him to all around him. It led to his nickname Doug TV – a play on the movie Edtv, in which an ordinary man has his life broadcast 24/7, as his friend Bruce Nichol explained."Doug was just awesome in the way he would come out with so many weird and wonderful moments that should be televised."Corporal Grant grew up in the small town of Tokomaru, just south of Palmerston North, where he had dreams of being a SAS soldier from childhood.Sergeant Tina Grant, his wife who served alongside him at Linton Military Camp, gave an insight into her husband's childhood dream by reading a story she found in his "treasure box" during the weekend, which he wrote in year 10.It involved Doug Grant transforming from a student into a SAS soldier to save his school from a terrorist attack, then riding of into the sunset on a helicopter, thinking: "It's all in a day's work.""This is a snapshot of the path Douglas' life was yet to take and I'm grateful we could share a part of it," Mrs Grant said. "Douglas lived an amazing 41 years ... he fulfilled what he set out to do."Her husband loved being a SAS soldier, a carpenter, a member of the Patriots, but above all else, he loved their two children Jemma, 7, and Jayden, 5, she said. For someone so passionate about the armed forces, Corporal Grant cared little for rank, his brother Stuart said. "With Doug, respect came from what you did, not what you wore."But it was clear he had the respect of army ranks on either side of his. His commanding officer in the SAS, Lieutenant Colonel Chris Parsons, said the last photo of him – running into a firefight in Kabul – summed up his attitude toward life and his belief in the work New Zealand soldiers were doing in Afghanistan."And knowing Doug, when he fell, he would have been all business, organising someone or something. Selfless, fearless, a free spirit going that extra mile."Corporal Grant was farewelled with pomp and ceremony. His body will be cremated and his name recorded on the SAS wall of remembrance in Papakura.- The Dominion Postsursa: LINK
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Altair wrote ...A murit John MacAleese. Era un baietas p-acilea care-l cunoscuse personal pe domnul Mac,poate ne vorbeste despre teribilul sentiment de pustiu care trebuie sa-l fi încercat. Mort la Salonic,pe când încerca sa-si completeze pensia. Trist
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Radu Patrascu
Si iata-l pe comandantul NZSAS, Lt.col. Chris Parsons, despre care se face vorbire.Top medal from US for Kiwi SAS commanderTIM HUMELast updated 05:00 16/01/201The commander of the New Zealand SAS in Afghanistan has been awarded the United States' highest decoration for foreign officers.Lieutenant Colonel Chris Parsons was presented the Defense Meritorious Service medal on Tuesday in Kabul by General David Petraeus, commander of coalition forces in Afghanistan, in recognition of his "outstanding command, leadership, and unwavering commitment to the mission".Parsons has served as head of the 70-strong SAS unit known as Task Force 81 since October, directing counter-insurgency operations in greater Kabul in co-operation with the Afghan police's crisis response unit, which operates under the SAS's mentorship.His citation reads that during one of the most hostile periods of the war since 2001, Parsons had "inspired results that far exceed the size of forces under his command". His work had helped the coalition "gain the initiative and reverse insurgent momentum in the near-term", by "removing numerous key insurgent leaders and facilitators from the battlefield".Petraeus, in his first interview with New Zealand media, told the Sunday Star-Times that Parsons typified "the exceptional quality of your military forces", and said he had written a letter to Prime Minister John Key mentioning "how highly we've regarded Chris and his team as the partner force".While the award recognised Parsons' personal contribution as a commander, it also reflected the value of the SAS's work. "It's not an organisation that's high-profile, but it's an organisation that has contributed greatly."Petraeus said that since the SAS had returned to Afghanistan in late 2009, taking over the role of partnering the Afghan crisis response unit vacated by the Norwegians, three successive six-month rotations had made more than 60 high-risk arrests in "deliberate detention operations", seized more than 20 caches of explosives and weapons, and disrupted four potentially "spectacular" attacks, including planned suicide bombings.The unit acted on intelligence generally provided by Afghan sources, typically conducted its raids at night, and executed more than 90% of its operations without firing a shot. The unit's most recent operation took place successfully on Thursday night.Parsons' unit was at the centre of controversy last month after a Christmas Eve raid on the Tiger International Armour factory in downtown Kabul, to thwart what was believed to be an imminent attack on the US embassy. In the wake of the raid, which resulted in the deaths of two Afghans, the Afghan government criticised the unit for exceeding its mandate – operations in Kabul are supposed to be led by Afghan troops – and its operations were halted while the incident was reviewed. But a report released last week by the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force and the New Zealand Defence Force exonerated the soldiers, saying video of the raid captured heat plumes from weapons fired by the building's occupants, proving the SAS forces had fired in self-defence.The SAS is committed to remaining in its role until March, but Petraeus refused to say whether he wanted the unit to remain, saying it would be inappropriate to comment on matters which were for the New Zealand government to decide.He said Parsons' award was not a politically motivated attempt to encourage New Zealand to recommit the SAS. Parsons, who as unit commander was not involved in frontline SAS operations, completed his four-month posting on Friday and is understood to be returning to New Zealand.Twenty-five Defense Meritorious Service medals have been awarded to New Zealand soldiers since 2003, with Parsons' decoration the first for a special forces soldier. The medal cannot be worn on New Zealand military uniforms without the governor-general's permission.- Sunday Star TimesSursa: LINK
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sgtbim
vreau sa i pun 2 intrebari utilizatorului cu numele sas.1 as vrea sa mi spuna ce inseamna mefisto in limbajul fspeciale 2 am citit tot topicul despre s air service si am ramas cu o nelamurire daca utilizatorul cu numele de sas a facut trainig cu johnny englishman dnul ach boribum stie ce inseamna atunci dnul sas a facut parte din f speciale din romania intrebarea care o pun este simpla un soldat profesionist care face parte din f speciale in momentul in care termina contractul cu ei pe livretul militar inafara de nume grad specializare avansari degradari samd la numele u.m.xxx ce scrie.doar atat dnul utililizator
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sgtbim
sincer sa va zic parca mi pare rau nu de alta dar era distractiv.am observat ca nu prea a mai raspuns la intrebari dar la bannare nu m am gandit.tot binele spre bine.o seara placuta
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apkah
Dumnezeu sa il odihneasca pe John Macalese...Este dureros pentru un parinte sa vada ca copilul lui moare inainte de vreme...Din pacate, cum spunea cineva aici,nu e suficient sa faci totul pentru tara ta, nici macar in Anglia...A fost nevoit sa mai lucreze dupa penionare...trista si cruda soarta a eroului...
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Mihais
Daca stai sa te gandesti asa,nici Anglia nu se omoara dupa proprii ostasi.Dupa ce ies din SAS,dupa 15-20 de ani chinuiti primesc un sut.Pe gurkhas pana acum 1-2 ani nici nu-i lasau sa stabileasca in UK,dar in acelasi timp ii primeau cu bratele deschise pe toti tiganii de pe diverse continente veniti la furat sau cersit ajutoare sociale.Asta-i soarta militarului in toate timpurile.Ti se face scarba,dar la ce folos. oof-topic terminat.
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sgtbim
d nul mihais pot sa va spun ca in occident pensiile sunt pensii.am aici in italia cateva cunostinte care au lucrat in armata un plt adjutant de carabinieri maresciallo capo ia 1900 de euro un generaL cu 2 stele in cc 6000 de euro .in uk se plateste mai bine ca aici viata e mai scumpa dar cred ca un fost sgt sas ia bani faini.in lumea asta sunt 3 categorii defavorizate taranul muncitorul si soldatul.
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Radu Patrascu
Nu ma mira ca ex-sergentii SAS trebuie sa caute ici si colea cate ceva pentru a putea trai decent dupa pensionare. Iar moralul din armata britanica mi se pare ca a atins o cota amenintatoare, fapt care se reflecta in decizia unor ofiteri de a-si continua cariera, chiar atunci cand par a se bucura de succes si apreciere. Ultimii doi comandanti ai 22 SAS si-au dat demisia, iar un alt fost comandant al regimentului, ajuns brigadier (Ed Butler) si care, asemenea celorlalti doi, avea o cariera stralucita in fata, a demisionat la randul sau. Numeroasele critici pe care fostul sef al armatei de uscat, generalul Richard Dannatt le facea la adresa guvernului Gordon Brown sunt si ele elocvente pentru starea de spirit care domneste in armata engleza. Se pare, insa, ca venirea conservatorilor la putere nu a adus nimic bun. Reducerile preconizate, disparitia unor noi batalioane de infanterie, al caror numar e tot mai mic (s-a ajuns, din cate stiu, la vreo 36) pun in discutie chiar capacitatea SAS de a mai gasi potentiali recruti in numar suficient. Chiar si asa, regimentul s-a confruntat mereu cu dificultatea acoperirii efectivului nominal. Escadroanele Sabre, cu un efectiv pe hartie de peste 80 de oameni, abia daca mai au 60. Oare ce va fi cand actuala armata de uscat, care numara in prezent aproximativ 102.000 oameni, va scadea pana la vreo 90.000 ?
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sgtbim
1 mefisto in limbaj f speciale inseamna cagula 2 eu am facut parte din bim batalionul de infanterie marina si cand mi am luat livretul militar am avut surpriza sa constat ca numele unitatii nu era trecut era trecut un alt numar de unitate care nici nu stiu dc esista.parerea mea personala este ca sas nu a avut de a face nici cu f speciale nici cu armata in general.numai bine
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sgtbim
johnny englishman era numele englezilor care erau in servici in legiunea straina.m am gandit sa va raspund si la aceasta intrebare stimabile bugsbunny
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apkah
Prietene, amu, daca stam stramb si judecam drept , si eu ma mir ca ai trecut pe livret alt numar de unitate...Am si eu cunostinte care au fost cu mine la parasutisti dar ca si personal nenavigant, iar acum au cele mai tari povesti de la salturile cu parasuta.Si ghici ce...? Cand li se cere livretul motiveaza lipsa specialitati prin...secretul unitatii...Adica cam tot ce ai spus tu mai sus...Poate e o impresie, dar mai stii...
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Mihais
Hai sa ne intelegem asupra unor mici detalii.Cine e in spatele unui pseudonim nu conteaza,conteaza doar ce scrie userul respectiv.Cel din spatele lui SAS poate esti chiar dumneata,sgtbim,poate eu ,samd .Topicul acesta dedicat informarii cititorilor despre o unitate de prestigiu nu merita sa mai treaca prin balacareala,iar de acum incolo tot ce nu are legatura cu subiectul va fi sters. Multumesc tuturor pt. intelegere.
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msimula
Multa dreptate aveti boier Mihais, aceasta unitate de prestigiu merita mai mult decat “balaceala” de aici, de pe S.F.Daca regimul lui Gaddafi e in pragul sau a cazut deja cu surle si trambite, este si datorita experientei SAS si a “laboratoarelor” de fabricat razboi a acestora.Culmea, cu toata puzderia de “reporteri” de razboi, nu ne-au parvenit imagini concludente, fiecare tragand ce concluzie vrea. Oare ce menire au avut acesti “reporteri” ?
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sgtbim
stimate apkah nu aveti dreptate si va explic si de ce.can sd am primit foaia de drum eu cu ceilalti din zona aveam trecuta o unitate din basarabi constanta.ajunsi acolo ni s a spus ca de fapt trebuie sa ajungem la alta unitate din dobrogea.am ajuns acolo si acolo am terminat.este adevarat ca am fost detasat la basarabi pt 5 luni ca cmd de pluton dar cand am primit livretul militar si eu si toti ceilalti aveam trecut pe livret unitatea din basarabi.asa ca cred ca v am lamurit.despre bim nu am ce sa zic doar ca a fost greu greu greu.cam atat.nu mi sta in caracter sa bag goange pe net stimate domn.
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sgtbim
in 1994 f s din romania erau in man parasutistii vanatorii de munte si infanteria marina.daca aveti nelamuriri puteti sa ma intrebati in privat si in masura cunostintelor mele am sa va raspund.despre sas nu am ce sa mai zic si nici nu ma intereseaza.numai bine
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sgtbim
stimate domn eu am facut parte din u m 0xx16 batalionul 307 e destul atat.livretul militar fotografii emblema unitatii insemne de arma samd sunt in romania iar eu stau in italia.a spus un poet pe patul de moarte nimeni nu mi poate lua dansurile pe care le am dansat .asa si eu am facut parte din acea unitate si cam atat.punct discutie inchisa
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SAS
Stimate sgtbim, am vazut ca ai facut vorbire de mine! Referitor la "mephisto"........in nici un caz nu inseamna cagula ci este un cuvant folosit ca prescurtare in cazul unui atac armat in care atacatorii sunt in numar de peste 4! Referitor la livretul militar si la cele inscrise in el..........prefer sa nu comentez! Eu in livret am trecut toate unitatile in care am activat!
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Mihais
Pana la noi instructiuni,acest topic se inchide. Au mai fost curatate din replicile offtopic si cu atac la persoana.